[OOC] The king is dead, long live the king! [Reboot] [5/7]

[Dion]

@Kho Alright, my character and yours will have a great bloody ol time.

@Bright_Ops HERESY.

[Kho]

@Bright_Ops I will need two repeating crossbows for this heresy.

[Kho]

@Kho Alright, my character and yours will have a great bloody ol time.

@Bright_Ops HERESY.

@Buddha

Now that I think about it, there doesn't seem to be an established lore for the religion/s of the Grand Kingdom. You mention a cross in your sheets, I mention The One (Glorified Be His Name) extensively in mine. Think that's about it

[Dion]

@Kho you obviously based yours off of Islam, and I based mine off of Christianism.

I think if nothing was made up, we can take creative liberties when it comes to that, yes?

[The Narrator]

@Buddha@Kho Well my Nation is also very obviously based on the Islamic world, so we might think about religious differences here

[Dion]

@The Narrator You don't say. What gave that away, the Arabic name of your nation? I think having a unified religion would be more interesting. (Bar maybe the cossacks..?) Because then we can argue about semantics in religion, and it creates a basis for my country to have some value at least (because we produce pious knights) rather than being your run of the mill stupid province that doesn't offer much.

[Kho]

@Kho you obviously based yours off of Islam, and I based mine off of Christianism.

I think if nothing was made up, we can take creative liberties when it comes to that, yes?

@Buddha

I assume Flynn has said nothing on the matter due to it being up to our creative liberties. I haven't really thought the religion through in any depth, I just know its monotheistic (so Abrahamic in nature) but without a formal clergy (so more Judaism-Islam than Christianity)

[Dion]

@Kho I did mention churches so that does mean there's no total abstinence from a clergy. But there is probably not a head of religion, which might be why my knight is also there -- he knows a lot about religion as well as fighting. Perhaps your character is there to give some spiritual guidance too. @The Narrator I didn't see you mention anything about religion, but since your province is based on the Arabic world, I would assume that religion is sort of widespread there.

In fact, it might be important to consider if religion is a 100% sum where everyone is religious, as atheism is punished by death? That seems to represent the medieval world the best. It would give my character and Kho's a bit more of a leg up, on the others who seem to mostly focus on backstabbery and intrigue.

[Kho]

@The Narrator You don't say. What gave that away, the Arabic name of your nation? I think having a unified religion would be more interesting. (Bar maybe the cossacks..?) Because then we can argue about semantics in religion, and it creates a basis for my country to have some value at least (because we produce pious knights) rather than being your run of the mill stupid province that doesn't offer much.

@Buddha

Just want to say, I like the idea of one religion with semantic differences. It really is quite amazing the opposing things that can be justified when semantics come into play

Edit: ninja'd

At the moment it seems like provincial differences are key, as many were effectively different nations. So the differences between provinces may be quite jarring (e.g. Bright_Ops' suggests that his province is largely atheistic)

As for a church without a head, how exactly do you see that working? Would it be like, monks and priests without a formal structure? Or something more rabbis/imams? Effectively state-funded preachers and religious leaders.

[Bright_Ops]

@Kho@Buddha@The Narrator

So we have at least four different religions and world views under the same rulership... Actually, that isn't a bad thing. Makes things interesting since people will also be pushing their ideology alongside everything else to gain influence with the new King.

Ninja'ed: Tartarus isn't Atheistic so much as they believe in empowering oneself rather then blindly following another who might not have your best interest in mind.

[Cyclone]

@Flynn
I actually wasn't thinking along the lines of sending a representative uninvited and forcing a position at court if something implied that, but now that you sparked the idea I think that's exactly what I'd do. Most fantasy tropes seem to have already been filled by one representative or another, so I suppose mine will be some sort of corrupt slaver/merchant that just wants to make money.

I'll get started on my sheets!

I think having a unified religion would be more interesting. (Bar maybe the cossacks..?) Because then we can argue about semantics in religion, and it creates a basis for my country to have some value at least (because we produce pious knights) rather than being your run of the mill stupid province that doesn't offer much.

@Buddha

What, did you really think the vicious Horde of steppe nomads might be good little monks? No, I had intended to make them filthy pagans from the start!

[Dion]

@Kho bro, the extent of real life wars that has been fought over religious semantics that didn't end up mattering is incredible. That's why it's more interesting to have a single religion in my eyes. They're much more interesting to argue about, than when there are 2 clearly opposing religions who are clearly never going to argue, but just straight up hate each other and go to war. :/

@Bright_Ops see this would work except, the religion of the king probably matters, and it's generally in a kings interest to promote religious unity because religious unity = religious stability = national stability.

[Dion]

@Cyclone TENGRI, TENGRI, TENGRI!

[Bright_Ops]

@Buddha

True, but this is a large Empire. You're going to get different religions and the one the King decides on can be very important to how he is going to rule/ How the people will respond to him.

[Dion]

@Bright_Ops Fair. I guess it's up to the GM to decide the kings religion.

[Kho]

@Bright_Ops Eh, large Empire is fair enough, but time generally means that provinces slowly convert to the state religion.
And either way, the shared history of the many kingdoms strongly lends itself to there being one religion. Think Germany prior to unification minus the Holy Roman Emperor (they're all German, they're all Christian, then bam, unification)

[The Narrator]

@Buddha@Bright_Ops@Kho I like the Idea of some kind different denominations of the same religion, or different but connected religions, like the abrahamic religions. That could be interesting.

[Dion]

@Kho If only that was how it happened. It took Napoleon to unify the Germans.

[Kho]

@Kho If only that was how it happened. It took Napoleon to unify the Germans.

@Buddha

I wanted to keep it simple ^^' but yeah, minus HRA and Napoleon and Bismark and all that

[Kho]

In any case, I take it that at the very least @Buddha, myself and @The Narrator are agreed on our provinces being of the same religion but with potentially vastly different interpretations. @Bright_Ops is going for something different (right?) @Cyclone is PAGAN.