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That's useful information to keep in mind if Vayne ever becomes an option, and given what you've told me I think The Emperor would have no problem at all manipulating this kid really -- Mateus is a guy who literally gambled with the gods (God and Satan) and won, after all.

While it might need to be fleshed out a bit more, here's most of Marche's CS.

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I'm not the GM, but I can't help myself when it comes to a chance to act like one. Overall, I think this looks good. I've only got two concerns:

  • I'm not entirely sure how much emphasis we should be placing on status ailments - I don't remember if Dissidia touches on them much and they're usually a gameplay mechanic more than something that works in writing - but I imagine we could find a way to make them work. I like how you've taken the time to list off a command list of sorts resembling the Bravery/HP Attacks of Dissidia, even if they weren't written that way. I recall @Gohan mentioning not thinking we needed to have a list - instead preferring we be a little more open with how we approach our skill lists - but having this list is still useful. That little detail about how we'd work gameplay mechanics into the writing was the only concern.
  • The link to the picture of your summon is coming up as a broken image for me. You might need to mess with it.

Also, it's dawned on me that this character doesn't have an 'EX Mode'. I fully intended to have The Emperor turn into his 'Lord of Hell' form if the situation turns dire for him, but would Marche have anything that works like that? I think a lot of the protagonists just got access to their ultimate weapons in 'EX Mode', whereas villains transformed into something. Perhaps the Totema is your 'EX Mode' power? I'm actually starting to think I should've included 'EX Mode' as part of the template -- no idea if the new game uses it yet.
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I doubt he would have any issues.

Well, as far as the breaks go; I see them more as limb-targeting than actual statuses. Power Break would target arms, Speedbreak targets legs; Magicbreak is simply an anti-mage attack that drains mana reserves and Mindbreak... Marche tries to give the enemy a concussion? Maybe I'll remove that one, I'm not too certain about it all-and-all.

I added provoke because I figured pissing someone off worked well regardless of gameplay mechanics; I should've left the berserk status out of it and just made it more of a taunt in general than a status-inflicting skill.

Honestly it's the same one that is on the wiki; so it's not really necessary to have the picture of Mateus. I'll just remove the borked image and call it a day on that one. I listed everything off to try and keep it looking decent; Just making sure Marche's abilities were clearly listed. I feel like it was necessary for a non-dissidia character.

As for EX mode, I'm thinking on it.
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I don't think we need to remove the existence of status ailments entirely, but rather we just need to make sure they work in a way that's logical in writing, though having them be magical solves some of that. Naturally, whether they even manage to succeed or not should be discussed in the OOC as we go. This includes the 'Break' attacks and also the 'Berserk' status. 'Provoke' is fine, but presumably whether or not it succeeds would depend on how you write the taunt and how susceptible your target is to being insulted or falling for it.

We're pretty much in agreement on the rest of the stuff you've said.
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Of course. I don't expect to just manage to hit everyone with every break every fight. We'll figure it out in the OOC; and the taunts won't always work either, but Marche will occasionally strike a nerve; and that'll be helpful as far as he's concerned. I imagine some characters would indeed just shrug off his words without issue; But there are Final Fantasy characters known for having a bit of a temper.

Should all the breaks be magical? Cause their effects by connecting, but not with specific body parts? That'd make them more useful, for sure.

As for Marche's EX mode; I found an image and am considering giving him a form mostly influenced by his Chaos alignment, along with a big, bad Judge Sword for beating the ever-living-shit out of everything. It's mostly just an excuse to use FF:TA's Judge Sword, an extremely high-powered physical weapon capable of pure carnage.

It also, oddly enough, is giving me Mateus vibes. Making me think that Marche just might be the Emperor's pawn, through and through.

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Makes sense, and honestly... I think whether or not they're magical depends on how they were presented in his game? The 'Break' attacks wielded by Auron in FFX were very clearly a form of magic in my eyes, considering that pure armour-piercing was a weapon effect that was entirely different to those abilities. How is it presented on Marche's end in-game?

Perhaps he received his 'EX Mode' from Emperor Mateus then? Essentially, he granted Marche a sort of demonic power due to his overall status as 'Lord of Hell'?
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Judging by animations, they mostly just come off as strikes; Though bringing up Auron's breaks, I imagine they're the same thing; Especially since Marche has an MP-damaging one. So we'll just go with that, for the moment. I'll boot up FF:TA later and give the animations a quick look-over, but honestly I'd be fine with them just remaining magic-based.

That sounds pretty neat, actually. We can roll with that. I'm going to write up a little bit more in the CS about his EX-Mode, then. Maybe he has similar abilities to Power of Hellfire, and has blood magic? I imagine that being able to restore himself with attacks would be brutal considering his high-damage with the Judge Sword; So maybe his health gain is minor compared to the Emperor's.

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Magic-based works unless some significant element of the game's lore goes against the idea.

I'm imagining something like that, yeah -- basically, whenever you're in 'EX Mode' you become a sort of pseudo-demonic entity. He wouldn't be as powerful as The Emperor is, and this would pretty much be exclusively in his 'EX Mode', but it would make him significantly more powerful than he would be normally.
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The only reason I can see them not being magical is because they have no MP cost in FF:TA.

Of course. Marche is only going to have the Judge Sword in his EX-MODE to go along with a physical form that fits the weapon more; The power and sword don't exist outside the bursts of strength. Once he reverts he's just back to plain old Marche; Not that he isn't capable at that stage. Maybe he ends up really drained after reverting, though. Maybe it's slowly eating away at him as the roleplay progresses?

Now I sense the need for some Marche/Cecil interaction. Sadly Cecil isn't a paladin yet, or else that'd be a great start to Marche getting his paladin abilities.

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If we're looking for a penalty for using the Judge Sword... perhaps it's like any 'Deal With The Devil' usually is -- you're basically losing your soul to The Emperor slowly?

Are you sure Cecil isn't a Paladin yet? He can alternate between them on the fly in Dissidia's gameplay, but I haven't seen the cutscenes -- is there some point where he gains the Paladin abilities or something? His whole thing in Dissidia is transforming between the two.
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Are you sure Cecil isn't a Paladin yet? He can alternate between them on the fly in Dissidia's gameplay, but I haven't seen the cutscenes -- is there some point where he gains the Paladin abilities or something? His whole thing in Dissidia is transforming between the two.


this just proves that I need to refresh myself on Dissidia a bit. I completely blanked about Cecil being able to do this.

Maybe Cecil can help Marche after all.

Also, I can imagine that working out just swimmingly. Marche slowly losing his soul it is; Not that he actually knows it, probably.
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Perhaps Gohan will have a better idea about this element in terms of the cutscenes.

Sounds good. If you've got other questions about it, let me know.

Beyond that, I'm gonna be drifting for a while and seeing if I can get anything done. I'm already fucking tired but I can't sleep in this state, and my mood is actually getting a lot worse as the night goes on. If I end up just deciding to piss off for the night, you know why. It'll either be that, or I've gone to sleep.
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Perhaps Gohan will have a better idea about this element in terms of the cutscenes.

Beyond that, I'm gonna be drifting for a while and seeing if I can get anything done. I'm already fucking tired but I can't sleep in this state, and my mood is actually getting a lot worse as the night goes on. If I end up just deciding to piss off for the night, you know why. It'll either be that, or I've gone to sleep.


I'll probably rewatch the cutscenes when I have time; but I've got cooking and stuff to do today, so it's not gonna happen for awhile.

Well, if you need anything you think I can help with, let me know; I'm not often super helpful, but sometimes just knowing someone is in your corner is good enough, yeah? Hope you can manage to rest tonight.

I updated Marche's CS, which I think is complete for now.
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Well, if you need anything you think I can help with, let me know; I'm not often super helpful, but sometimes just knowing someone is in your corner is good enough, yeah? Hope you can manage to rest tonight.

I updated Marche's CS, which I think is complete for now.

Yeah, sometimes just having people who give a shit is more important than actually having them help you. I spent most of my life without people genuinely making an earnest effort to understand the struggles I've been contending with and the demons that've loomed over my life, so I know how it feels not to have something like that for a very long period of time. Nothing's immediately coming to mind that I can ask help for -- I've just gotta keep soldiering on with my work and do my best not to let this place distract me too much or let the people here piss me off.

Character sheet's looking good. I actually like how you've worded it all, and also how the 'EX Burst' was included.
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Well, do know I care. I don't exactly know the extent of what you're going through, but I do hope that everything improves for you. Especially enough than you can join me and Gohan here for a good, long awhile.

Appreciate the compliment. Ritz is next... I'll probably have her done later. Or tomorrow. One of those.
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I've been planning to go into a fair bit about who I am - along with my life - in my bio at some point, since frankly I don't like all the anonymity on the internet and I don't give the slightest shit who knows the truth about me. I just haven't had the time to do it yet, though I've been tossing out hints to people over PM, the hang-out thread, and in some of my posts in various discussion threads.

The care is appreciated though, and I'm planning to stick around as long as I can -- I just know my workload is going to get very nasty in the coming years if I want to get on top of all my project notes again and finally start writing the fucking story once more. I really miss the days when I could just do that.

I'll be looking forward to seeing it. I'm trying to work out if I need to include anything else in my character sheet beyond deciding on a summon and mentioning the 'EX Mode' stuff. Perhaps I should include powers that I'm giving him that aren't from Dissidia somewhere in his profile too.
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I agree, somewhat. I don't give a shit what people know about me; But I don't give enough of a fuck about other's opinions on my life that I'll tell them unless asked. That's why my bio has been Yosuke Hanamura for 3 years; Because I have nothing better I wish to add there, and I probably never will add anything else there. Maybe a link to my shitty soundcloud? idk.

Well, cheers. I hope you find success in those years, and actually manage to get back to the part we all enjoy the most; The actual writing. As long as you're around, it's good to have you here: And whenever you decide to go, I'm sure more than a few of us will miss you.

Just include his extra abilities in a hider, or something, I guess. The Abilities part of the CS fits for both non-dissidia characters and for adding new abilities to returning characters. At least that's how I see it.
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I've got this really weird thing -- I guess it's because I'm so forthright, but while I don't give a shit what people think about me I also despise people misconceiving who I am. If someone's gonna love me; let them love the real me. If someone's gonna hate me; let them hate the real me. Hence my desire to spell shit out for people about who I am and where I come from. How they decide to take it's not my problem. This is also why my relationship with my fiancΓ© is so strong -- unlike most couples, there's no fucking bullshitting between us.

Cheers for the wishes. Honestly, if I can stick around this place - or at least continue my relationship with the decent people here elsewhere - for a damn long time, I'd be satisfied. I'm not the type of person to just up and abandon all the people I know unless I feel like they've betrayed me or they disrespect me to the point that I more or less have discarded them in my mind as trash. This is one of the reasons I've been progressively getting contact with people on this site through other online means, just in case enough people here piss me off or this site becomes too toxic on my work schedule. Nevertheless, it's nice to know people'd miss me.

We've been thinking the same thing about the abilities section being for non-Dissidia skills, not just non-Dissidia characters. I'll probably post up Mateus' character sheet shortly -- the summon's the part that I'm likely gonna think on the most.
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Ritz is mostly complete. She's pretty weak starting off; I'm considering giving her an extra Job Class to give her some kick. :p

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Originally I made it an edit, but I think both of you should get this notification.

I've messed with the template in more detail:

Name: Obvious.
World: What game they come from.
Alignment: Cosmos or Chaos.
Appearance: Link to a (preferably official) picture of them.
Class: Something resembling the Dissidia classification system for fighting styles.
Weapon(s): The name, and then what type of weapon it is in brackets.
Summon: Optional, and the name should be a clickable link to their FFWiki page. Include a picture here if you wish. I would imagine this could be removed if the character has none, or left to emphasize they lack one.
Information: Give a link to their FFWiki page, specifically the Dissidia one if they existed in it.
Abilities (Non-Dissidia): An explanation for the fighting style and magic proficies of characters not native to Dissidia series, and also additional skills from Dissidia natives that are exclusive to these incarnations.
EX Mode: Since this information is available on FFWiki, only those not native to Dissidia series need this. Can remove this section entirely for natives.
EX Burst: The same applies here as 'EX Mode'.
Notes: Anything else you find important to this character. Simply remove it if there are no notes.

I've also developed a pretty decent character sheet for The Emperor now, which I'm keeping in private storage until you'd like to see what I've got. I'm actually really happy with it, but it might not be appropriate for this role-play unless you guys want things to get pretty intense as the plot builds -- blame my tendency to go all the way when I do anything. Sort of decided to build this character sheet around my ideal version of The Emperor, and also took into account the details I considered while me and Raddum discussed Marche's character sheet.

Edit: I'll read over Ritz now.
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Ah, I hadn't noticed. Thank you for notifying me, lol.
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