[OOC] Born of War(Post-WW4 NRP)

[Lauder]

@LordZell

[Charles]

I mean AFTER WW4 another was made. Also, as long as the robot manpower is 150,000 or lower it's fine. But, if I see them abused I'll be taking them away.

[Lauder]

HUZZAH! The English are worried about me!

[LordZell]

I mean AFTER WW4 another was made. Also, as long as the robot manpower is 150,000 or lower it's fine. But, if I see them abused I'll be taking them away.

@Charles

How powerful can robots be? I was expecting to have 2 types. the droids from star wars that are plentiful but rather dumb and then have drone droids?

[Byrd Man]

Name of Nation: The Kingdom of Dixie

Government Type: A monarch serves as head of state, a Prime Minister serves as head of the government. The PM and Cabinet are drawn from Parliament and Parliament members are elected by their constituents.

Military: The military is made up of a Royal Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. It is a capable defense and invasion force that utilizes the best pre-war technology. The best conventional division is the 3rd Tennessee Cavalry, a combined air, armor and mechanized division. The best non-conventional unit are the Filibusters, Southern special forces comprised of twelve twelve man squads that do the work for the His Majesty's Government both at home and abroad.

Economy: Agrarian and Industrial. Industrial hubs are Atlanta, Birmingham, and Chattanooga.

Foreign Policy: Cordial with Southern Charm to potential allies and friends, but aggressively expansionist towards enemies and lesser nations.

History: Comprising eleven of the southern states in the former United States, in the aftermath of apocalypse a group of people united together for the common cause. Headed by a landed noble gentry, the Southern Aristocracy, these former states united as the Kingdom of Dixie. Under their first king, Thomas I, the Kingdom grew prosperous. The autocratic system the Kingdom used came into conflict with the disenchanted lower class, who soon rebelled. The rebellion resulted in the execution of King William III. Rebellion leader Paul Bryant, the fierce warrior known as the Bear, declaring the Republic of Dixie. The radical government lasted ten years under Bear's tight control. When the old man died, reactionary forces overthrew the Republic and brought the monarchy back. A new government with a ceremonial figurehead was put into place, William III's cousin James was crowned king and the Kingdom has continued to thrive in the years since. The patchwork of states that comprise the United States and the Western Alliance stand at an uneasy truce with the Kingdom, as does the Mexican Republic in the South. Tensions are on edge and the threat of a four-nation war could very well break out in North America.

Foes: Federals, Westerners, Mexicans, Canadians.

Demographics: 50 Million. 60% White, 30% Black, 10% other races.

[Lauder]

@Charles

*Reads post. Thinks to self.*

Time to Intervene!

[Charles]

How powerful can robots be? I was expecting to have 2 types. the droids from star wars that are plentiful but rather dumb and then have drone droids?

The droids from star wars are fine as long as they don't have handheld blasters. Then, there are work droids, used by the public. That is basically what I had thought.

@Byrd Man pretty good. But, fatten up the military a bit more. You didn't really answer everything.

[Byrd Man]

Alright, I expanded it a bit.

[Charles]

@Byrd Man I would like it slightly longer but, it's fine now. Accepted

[Dinh AaronMk]

OP, I have to say your rate of aggressive expansion, with no actual detail to the matter, would - and should - be a thing of concern in even the most middle of the road casual NRP. You just conquered five countries in one post, under normal pretenses those should have been carried out in many more posts.

[Byrd Man]

Yeah, it's no fun to write "I declared war and won." Show, don't tell.

[Charles]

I wasn't done my friends... I think 22m technologically advanced soldiers would have won either way :/ I was just showing what was going to happen in a summary.

[Lauder]

@Charles

One nation already capitulated? In two days?

Would you mind elaborating on such a subject? Sure you have millions of soldiers, but surely you wouldn't send all of them in would you?

[Charles]

It was the tiniest nation there. They had no chance, using logic I would have gone for them first since they were fairly close. So, instead of having probably about 1m soldiers die and then probably civilian casualties of around 15k people die they surrendered. Plus their is also the fact that even if I sent them in logical short bursts of soldiers they would still lose. Even if I didn't want to give up my nation I would prefer surrender over thousand dying (In real life when the people aren't just numbers.), wouldn't you?

[Dinh AaronMk]

I wasn't done my friends... I think 22m technologically advanced soldiers would have won either way :/ I was just showing what was going to happen in a summary.

@Charles

Numbers and tech have nothing to do with it. They still have to cross geographical distance and deal with resistance at the defensible positions of the country. Whether that be urban warfare where no matter how you cut it takes forever, or in the mountains. And you didn't just conquer two "tiny" nations. You conquered Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikstan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

And let me remind you the later is a known nuclear armed state, and the other is considered the Graveyard of Empires for very good reason, not even the US can deal with poorly armed combatants there.

This is not to mention that Afghanistan, northern Pakistan, and Kyrgyzstan are enormously mountainous countries, northern Pakistan itself is protected from China by some of the hardest to cross parts of the Himalayas. There's also only one road between the countries, and when fighting in mountain passes, army sizes no longer matter. See battles like The Battle of Thermopylea where a small Greek force managed to hold at bay at significantly larger Persian force for two to three days but then not only do that but to kill a disproportionate number of Persians than they themselves, this is the battle that became famous in the graphic novel and movie 300.

A similar rule of thumb applies to instances like the Swabian War that made Switzerland independent, because the much larger forces of the Hapsburg Holy Roman Empire and its allies had to claw through the Swiss Alps and you get plenty of instances where small bunches of plucky Swiss Alpiners face off against German forces that are sometimes two-times larger than their own, and then the Swiss win. The Germans don't get the maneuverability needed in attack phases and every time they sally out they get thrown into a grinder.

To quote from a 19th century source on warfare on this subject itself:
"For smaller bodies of troops, the disadvantages of a defensive position in mountains diminish as we have already remarked. The cause of this is, that such bodies take up less space, and require fewer roads for retreat, etc., etc. A single hill is not a mountain system, and has not the same disadvantages. The smaller the force, the more easily it can establish itself on a single ridge or hill, and the less will be the necessity for it to get entangled in the intricacies of countless steep mountain gorges."
clausewitz.com/readings/Compare/OnWar1..

I have also heard it said - though I haven't found the source yet - that one man with a rifle in a mountain pass can hold off a significantly larger force (10 times more or so of his number) for a long time before he's finally beaten.

Numbers mean nothing when the bulk of your army has to make it through these obstacles. And in the mountains bombs and shit mean nothing when the enemy fighters can go into the natural bunkers of caves and wait out artillery strikes.

Beyond simple military tactics, you also ignore the geopolitical issues in blatantly invading 2-5 countries near to much stronger countries than those. Iran/Persia would have a lot to say about that, and would be threatened by a Chinese nation suddenly flooding in west to them. Even if you were to obtain an alliance with the Iranians the understanding between the parties would be by default that no superior edge is had over the other in invading this countries and if China were to invade this countries the alliance would be void in favor of forming a resistance to Chinese aggression and slowing or stopping Chinese growth.

But Iran isn't the only force to worry about either, you also have the equally powerful Indians in the region who given the same scenario would sure as hell hate it if China were to just up and one day take over their western neighbors and precious Kashmir. And India is a nuclear armed state too. If they believed it was necessary they could combine the stockpiles with Pakistan and basically nuke the Khunjerab pass to destroy the Chinese force crossing over or even go beyond to destroy Chinese staging grounds and cut the connection between you and your forces on the move.

The thing that's really an issue though is the merit of being a Roleplayer. As a GM you actually have a lot more pressure on you yourself to set an example. More so as such a large and notable power. If you start willingly and openly sweeping up large tracts of territory in the matter of a single post then that threatens the rest of us. And in an RP where you said we can have giant lasers cannons that take months to charge, then in invading those five countries in one post, and defeating a six-month Mongolian rebellion in one post really voids that statement when I can still charge and fire that same weapon in one post or two because that's just the sort of example you set.

You may be the head-honcho, but we keep the RP alive. If anyone feels they're not having fun because the GM is being in his own way abusive through power-playing, all excuses aside then we can just leave and your RP will die.

[Byrd Man]

To maybe tag up on what Aaron said a bit, it seems the way you're writing is more like a game than actual story telling. Plot it out. I want to see what it's like being a soldier on the ground and fighting, not a guy in an office with a computer.

[Charles]

You didn't exactly see where I was going with the entire thing. I already know all of this. Just because I blatantly invade 5 countries doesn't mean I don't know the risks. Nations don't always live, people make stupid mistakes as leaders and I am setting an example In IC as a nation. Secondly, the GM is often used to set the stage or in order to make the story. But, there is also the fact that even with those hard to pass mountains making it VERY hard to get to the actual country after many deaths I would be able to break through and setup a small base until more people get there. Then, there is also the fact that THAT is what MIGHT happen if NO ONE intervenes(Talking about the video), but that isn't going to happen because no one is just going to allow someone to gain that much territory if they are rivals.
While I do understand where you are going with this. My one post just showed a possibility and it was mainly advertising for the RP (cause It's on YT) and also to test out my mapping skills. As I stated in the video's comments and just a minute ago in this post. That is ONE possibility of the war's outcome and doesn't actually define the entire war in one post. I was going to post MORE scenarios but, then you guys started getting worried about it. Which of course, I don't blame you because I probably should have explained the situation.
Also, the Mongolian rebellion isn't exactly a serious thing considering it was a backstory BEFORE the RP started. I defeated the rebellion before the RP started. I do admit I probably should have said it was a flashback, that's my mistake.
Also, in either case I started RPing and deleted the video off of the post hours ago, meaning really that long an elaborate post didn't really do much.

[Charles]

@Byrd Man
I agree with that actually. I was GOING to do that, but then you guys made complaints which is understandable because I didn't explain wtf I was doing, but as you guys saw BEFORE Aaron made a very long post about my wrong-doings. I was actually RPing out my moves basically admitting I did SOMETHING wrong. So, the super long post wasn't really necessary

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Charles

You're not really setting any example except that you can invade five countries at once. Doing so and then saying you'll make up for it later doesn't say anything to me but, "shit I got caught better cover my tracks".

[Charles]

*CRINGE*

I just said, I ADMITTED my mistake and a started RPing the invasion... Do you prefer to get more and more confessions out of me? Maybe my true love too?