Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Burning Kitty]

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You don't need to give money on welfare to support the disabled.

@Andreyich

You clearly are not reading the conversation. Government enabling disabled and those unwilling to work are the same wrong thing.

[mdk]

<Snipped quote by mdk>They won't and they deserve whatever happens.

<Snipped quote by mdk>You are definitely wrong. I am sick and tired of seeing the leeches with $100 shoes but bitching and complaining because they ain't given enough for food when half of their shopping cart if full of the most expensive meat you can buy. They are nothing but lazy, entitled assholes who need to be forced to work doing the absolute worst jobs.

@Burning Kitty

And I'm not saying those folks don't exist. They totally exist. What I'm saying is, there are a TON of people who legit, straight-up, 100% need what they are getting in order to exist. It's in everybody's best financial interest to get the welfare queens off the dole. It's also in everybody's best interest to help those who actually need it. That's what an effective reform will look like.

Also for the record, ya know..... if you're trying to be the shoe police/the food police/whatever, that's not really a conservative position.

<Snipped quote by Andreyich>You clearly are not reading the conversation. Government enabling disabled and those unwilling to work are the same wrong thing.

@Burning Kitty

Absolutely not. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is inalienable. It is imperative. It is the absolute cornerstone of the United States and it extends to disabled people.

[Gwynbleidd]

Absolutely not. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is inalienable. It is imperative. It is the absolute cornerstone of the United States and it extends to disabled people.

@mdk

I'm not sure that Kitty meant what they said in this fashion. My interpretation (and Kitty can correct me if I'm wrong) is that they meant poor or disabled citizens should not have more rights than anyone else. She/he seems to be of the position that taxes sent to public welfare are not required because they aren't necessarily going to materials that the welfare receivers need but instead go to luxuries they couldn't afford on their own.

EDIT: And that this includes healthcare within the non-consensual use of their tax dollars.

[Dolerman]

The right will eat itself.

[Polymorpheus]

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[Andreyich]

<Snipped quote by Andreyich>You clearly are not reading the conversation. Government enabling disabled and those unwilling to work are the same wrong thing.

@Burning Kitty

I have been, but you haven't given a fully comprehensive reason as to how that is.

Ah I think I see, people are going to intentionally start whacking their spines so they can't work and get that sweet sweet disability money.

[Burning Kitty]

Absolutely not. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is inalienable. It is imperative. It is the absolute cornerstone of the United States and it extends to disabled people.

@mdk

They have the right to live, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that life.
They have the right to liberty, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that liberty.
They have the right to pursuit of happiness, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that pursuit of happiness.

You have the right but you have to pay for it yourself. Otherwise where does the false entitlement end?

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I'm not sure that Kitty meant what they said in this fashion. My interpretation (and Kitty can correct me if I'm wrong) is that they meant poor or disabled citizens should not have more rights than anyone else. She/he seems to be of the position that taxes sent to public welfare are not required because they aren't necessarily going to materials that the welfare receivers need but instead go to luxuries they couldn't afford on their own.

EDIT: And that this includes healthcare within the non-consensual use of their tax dollars.

@Dark Wind

I don't care how people spend their money as long as they spending their money not tax payer money. Tax payer money should never go to an individual or business* ever. Tax payer money should only go to things that benefit everyone, i.e. parks, roads, bridges, defense, other infrastructure.

*If a business or person sells their goods or services to a government department it is for them to get tax payer money.

Ah I think I see, people are going to intentionally start whacking their spines so they can't work and get that sweet sweet disability money.

@Andreyich

I have seen it. Not to that extreme, I have a good for nothing cousin who is on disability because he intentionally hurt himself. He gets less now than when he worked but he should be working for that money not setting on his fat ass playing video games.

[Penny]

https://www.cnet.com/news/homeland-security-plans-to-collect-immigrants-social-media-info/

I love Big Brother!

[POOHEAD189]

They're serious...
What the fuck do they have to gain? How many immigrants have been true terrorists in the past 5 years? (And no one link me to a Trump site)

[Penny]

I'll have to up my writing game for the benefit of my new audience!

[Dolerman]

@POOHEAD189 the_donald isnt a trump site, its an alternative news aggregator you insufferable cuck.

[mdk]

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They have the right to live, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that life.
They have the right to liberty, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that liberty.
They have the right to pursuit of happiness, doesn't mean the tax payers have to fund that pursuit of happiness.

You have the right but you have to pay for it yourself. Otherwise where does the false entitlement end?

@Burning Kitty

Where it ends, and what the taxpayer has to fund, are all pretty clearly spelled out in the laws created by the people and for the people. We created the government for the express purpose of safeguarding our rights, and the right to life is the most fundamental. So, yeah. Render unto Caesar. The paraplegic kid gets to eat.

[Andreyich]

https://www.cnet.com/news/homeland-security-plans-to-collect-immigrants-social-media-info/

I love Big Brother!

@Penny

Wait so that's bad but firing people for saying something even slightly conservative's fine?

[Polymorpheus]

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[POOHEAD189]

I'll have to up my writing game for the benefit of my new audience!

@Penny

Penny: I can't believe I have to sit here and watch my facebook feed implode from this insanity! Your crazy!
NSA: You're*

[POOHEAD189]

I guess I should be happy the minority side of my family is still native to the land :P

[mdk]

https://www.cnet.com/news/homeland-security-plans-to-collect-immigrants-social-media-info/

I love Big Brother!

@Penny

We should probably not do that. However, as long as the NSA is allowed to spy on citizens, social media posts of immigrants are totally in-bounds. There's no legal justification for a half-measure here. If we're gonna stop civil intelligence gathering, we need to stop it root and stem. It's all gotta go.

Then again, I mean, it's social media. I dunno what expectations of privacy you have when you're giving all your info to Mark "They Trust Me Those Dumb Fucks" Zuckerberg. I don't think the government is entirely wrong to monitor social media -- it's just super icky and big-brother-y and I plain don't like it.

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LOOK I'M LEARNING! Edit-in-place-of-doublepost:

Well there you have it folks

[Penny]

@mdk I doubt there is too much the Government dosent already know about me, all of which I gave up voluntarily during my immigration processing and continue to update them from every time I move.

Realistically Amazon probably knows more about me than the NSA does and I never put anything on social media that I don't mind the government knowing about. Still I'd rather not have to worry about having my potential citizenship application denied because I shared a meme or whatever.

[POOHEAD189]

Yeah after looking at that article it does seem like the Government would only be looking at public record anyway.

[mdk]

@mdk I doubt there is too much the Government dosent already know about me, all of which I gave up voluntarily during my immigration processing and continue to update them from every time I move.

Realistically Amazon probably knows more about me than the NSA does and I never put anything on social media that I don't mind the government knowing about. Still I'd rather not have to worry about having my potential citizenship application denied because I shared a meme or whatever.

@Penny

Yeah that pretty much captures it.