Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

@The Harbinger of Ferocity exactly how far do you teeter into 'flat earth theory'

@Dynamo Frokane

My humor is feline centric, so this should come as no surprise. My take away from "Flat Earth" is that there isn't one, but it makes for an amusing discussion and thought experiment. That's about the most credibility it has to me.

[Vilageidiotx]

My take away from "Flat Earth" is that there isn't one.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

You heard here first, folks; the center right doesn't believe in earth.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

You heard here first, folks; the center right doesn't believe in earth "Flat Earth" pseudoscience.

@Vilageidiotx

If you're going to twist words, at least do so correctly and call me an "alternative facts" pusher.

[mdk]

I have never once in my entire life encountered a "flat earther." My liberal friends apparently can't shut up about them -- I think it's an elaborate troll.

[Vilageidiotx]

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If you're going to twist words, at least do so correctly and call me an "alternative facts" pusher.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Alternative facts is soooo three months ago.

[Dinh AaronMk]

>2017
>Believing in flat earth
>Believing in round earth
>Not believing in three-sphere Earth

[Kassarock]

[Lurking Shadow]

I'm going to put in my two cents (even though nobody cares)

Due to the speed of the rotation of Earth, It is not completely spherical as the liberal media would have you believe and is, to some degree, flat.

Of course the Earth is not as flat as others claim. I mean, where else would Tsathoguaa be? Clearly he is in the light-less cavern of N'kai which lies below the red cavern of Yoth, which subsequently lies somewhere beneath the subterranean land of K'n-yan, which is somewhere under Oklahoma. How can the Earth be flat if there are like three layers of caverns?

_{Lq klv krxvh dw U'bohk, Ghdg Fwkxokx dzdlwv Guhdplqj}

[Keyguyperson]

>2017
>Believing in flat earth
>Believing in round earth
>Not believing in three-sphere Earth

@Dinh AaronMk

>Not recognizing that space travel is a lie, since rockets can't break through the glass spheres surrounding the other planets

[Dolerman]

I have to admit, I do not consider myself to fall square in any of that territory, at most I teeter a bit to each side in each, @Dynamo Frokane. Your beloved cake might be in jeopardy after all.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Now that we have the flat earth out of the way, where do you 'teeter' on the other issues.

"Some races are biologically more intelligent and suited to western society than others"

"The Civil War had nothing to do with Slavery, it was about rights"

"Government involvement stifles the economy, let the free market fix things naturally"

" The globe may be warming, but this has been exaggerated for left wing investments"

" I'm not saying there weren't jewish deaths during WW2, it was a war, a lot of people died. I'm skeptical about the methods and ridiculously high reported numbers"

Now I'm not strawmanning you at all, these are all real quotes I've seen online and heard from people in real life in serious discussion. I'm also not attributing any of these quotes to you personally, I'm just trying to see where you stand. Now I would have a hard time believing a centrist would be anywhere close to partially invested in these fringe claims, but I'm willing to hear arguments to the contrary.

I honestly am willing to give 'right leaning' people the benefit of the doubt, I have absolutely no issue with moderate mainstream conservatism. But when a supposed centrist starts using widely debunked science for an argument towards ethno nationalism, the centrism really starts to come into question.

Just the same when supposed 'left leaners' are open stalin apologists, they have a skewed perception of where the middle is.

[Dolerman]

I'm going to put in my two cents (even though nobody cares)

Due to the speed of the rotation of Earth, It is not completely spherical as the liberal media would have you believe and is, to some degree, flat.

Of course the Earth is not as flat as others claim. I mean, where else would Tsathoguaa be? Clearly he is in the light-less cavern of N'kai which lies below the red cavern of Yoth, which subsequently lies somewhere beneath the subterranean land of K'n-yan, which is somewhere under Oklahoma. How can the Earth be flat if there are like three layers of caverns?

_{Lq klv krxvh dw U'bohk, Ghdg Fwkxokx dzdlwv Guhdplqj}

@Lurking Shadow

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

I appreciate them not being leveled at me as accusations, @Dynamo Frokane.

Consolidated Response

• All "races" are slight variations of the same species. I have yet to see anything convincing that indicates any race is, in fact, a distinct subspecies of Homo sapiens sapiens, or other than the anatomically modern human. I do believe races carry some distinct genetic benefits and or drawbacks based upon natural pooling. I do not believe these have sufficient, credible, or qualified enough grounds to be called "more intelligent" or "more prone to Western-isms".
• The Civil War did indeed involve the major point of contention that was slavery. Was it the only one? No, but it made for an excellent moral argument for the Union and the means to be the straw that broke the camel's back to help go to war. The Confederacy did not want to lose their livelihood, investment and industry in slavery. I am under the belief it was like any other conflict, in that it was no one factor is responsible, but slavery was a major one.
• The government is a necessary evil in the market, because a market allowed to run completely free will run rampant, just as a government owned and controlled market will crumble because the actual demands are not being met and is flawed at its core by being artificial. The best form of law is not more of it, but that which is carried out as plainly, as impartially and as intended as it can be. I prefer fewer, more strict, and unfeeling law enforcement on all levels. No one likes too much interference and oversight in their lives or business.
• The prospect of climate change is a natural one, with the involvement of humanity not being a question at all. What is of question is just how much humans are to blame for it and just what the results of that impact might be. I am not convinced the environmental "apocalypse" I keep hearing about is going to happen.
• The Holocaust and its victims are undeniable. It was a dedicated, methodical, purposeful and targeted effort to eradicate people who were "undesirables", with a special form of hatred reserved for those Jewish. I make no mistakes about it as a fact, just as I make none about that with regard to those who acted in the pursuit of communism, of which has killed as many and more.

Hopefully that was concise enough to answer the questions and provide insight into my notion of "teetering a bit to each".

[Dolerman]

I make no mistakes about it as a fact, just as I make none about that with regard to those who acted in the pursuit of communism, of which has killed as many and more.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

@Dinh AaronMk



@The Harbinger of Ferocity
Thanks for answering clearly, also double thanks for having the balls to state your position. I've asked many a right winger on this site to state their views openly, and it usually is met with either "Well the left blow everything I say out of proportion, so whats the point?" as if there is some vice journalist following them around ready to upload their views for an online hit piece. Or they just flat out refuse, stating that I'm trying to bait them into some sort of trap of painting them to be a bad person, which sort of brings their convictions into concern.

As for your responses I probably agree 90% with everything you said, you do seem to be a centrist, and I'm happy to say I would have shared my birthday cake with you if I had any left. I think the right wingers such as pugbutter, mdk, and sleeping silence could learn a lot from you.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

You are welcome, and I believe both sides, as well with those all in between, should have the audacity to state their opinion, @Dynamo Frokane. You are correct that a portion of it has become, "Why would I bother saying anything if they are not going to listen?", to which I believe the answer best is, "Because you will lose nothing for doing so." In either case, Left, Right or otherwise, people will decide for themselves. My only objective is to make it clear what I am or am not, and that I am not ashamed of.

If anything I would have expected to been called "too neutral" by both sides in my experience of politics, but I have to admit the Far Left has continually struck me for a lot more and with a lot less basis.

[Vilageidiotx]

but I have to admit the Far Left has continually struck me for a lot more and with a lot less basis.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

I didn't realize my "Don't believe in Earth" comment hit you that hard.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

It is about in line with what I am accustomed to, @Vilageidiotx. The only difference being I am fairly certain, albeit not convinced, you are not serious.

[mdk]

I think the right wingers such as pugbutter, mdk, and sleeping silence could learn a lot from you.

@Dynamo Frokane

[Dolerman]

@mdk to be totally honest I was just picking the top 3 off topic right wingers I could remember, there is nothing you've said that's particularly off-brand, I remember you quoting a source from The_Donald sub-reddit once but that's it.

Also I should mention that you seem to have actual conservative views and thats miles better than being some broadly politically illiterate reactionary who just blindly agrees with anything that is "Not the feminazis". Like Weird Tales for example.

Keep doing you bro, we haven't got any problems.

[Iuniper]

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

[Dolerman]

@Iuniper out of interest babes, where do you stand politically?