Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[POOHEAD189]

Take note ladies

[Dolerman]

@Penny

Alt Right: Kick out all the Jews!

Normal People: I think Nazis aren't good people.

*Centrist pops out of the trash-can*

Centrist: The correct answer is probably somewhere in the middle, lets have a civil youtube debate.

No but memes aside I am a centrist. Not because I'm in the middle on everything but because I hold nearly an equal amount of moderate liberal & conservative opinions. I'm also an authoritarian because fuck libertarians and everyone who talks like them.

But I suppose in this thread I'm probably seen as a liberal because the right-wingers in this thread are trump-nuts and you become a 'librul' if you criticise him.

EDIT: Unless of course its Ben Shapiro, but you guys seem to like pretending he doesn't exist on here.

Case in point: @Kratesis who will just willingly ignore any counter arguments with passive topic changes and off-hand snark.

[mdk]

EDIT: Unless of course its Ben Shapiro, but you guys seem to like pretending he doesn't exist on here.

@Dynamo Frokane

I fucking love Ben Shapiro. If I could turn time simultaneously backwards and forwards, so that Shapiro was old enough to run against Trump in 2016, I woulda voted Shapiro hands-down.

Incidentally I wouldn't call myself a "Trump nut" anyway. I don't hate him. This, to many, constitutes an insane level of adoration for the man. But I'm just like hey, it's not my fault that everything in the press is bullshit, what am I supposed to do, just go along with it for fear of being branded a lunatoh my god that's exactly the plan.

[POOHEAD189]

I'd literally never heard of Ben Shapiro until this thread.

@mdk I think the 'Trump nut' term is meant for someone who actually believes...well half of what he says. Doesn't matter how you view the liberal media. I think the liberal media is very biased and based on a huge mob mentality, but I can still look at Trump and go "...I can't support this."

And that's not coming from a cynic. I've literally enjoyed every president we've had since I was born. I don't quite remember George Bush Sr. I was nearly 2 when he left office. But I liked Clinton, I liked Bush, I liked Obama. Yeah, none of them were perfect and I think questionable things happened in each of their terms. But never did I actually think any of them didn't want what was best for the country, or that they were immoral or incompetent people. I couldn't care less about elections, because they always seemed to work out, at least in a way that wasn't a catastrophe.
This past year is the first year in my close to 27 years of life that I actually went "I don't support this president." And seeing as he has a 27% approval rating, those that are left can be considered odd by the norm.

I know a lot of people who support him do it because "he's not the left, so he's what I want." Which is understandable but slightly immature. And a lot of it has to do with reading faux or bias news articles as well, which the left does also, don't get me wrong. Just giving you perspective on why you'd be perceived as a Trump nut. From what you've said, you don't give him the benefit of the doubt, you actively believe he is someone worth taking seriously as a president, something many republicans do not do, and that can only mean you've either drank the cool-ade he wants people to, or you're so against the left you'll take whatever.

[mdk]

From what you've said, you don't give him the benefit of the doubt, you actively believe he is someone worth taking seriously as a president, something many republicans do not do, and that can only mean you've either drank the cool-ade he wants people to, or you're so against the left you'll take whatever.

@POOHEAD189

Those are some very reductive options.

also: it's Kool-Aid.

[Penny]

Take note ladies

@POOHEAD189

I really doubt the guy who posted that ever had one option, much less a second to cheat with. #permavirgin

[POOHEAD189]

Those are some very reductive options.

also: it's Kool-Aid.

@mdk

I've been really off the past week and a half, can't believe I put a C.

[Kratesis]

Case in point: @Kratesis who will just willingly ignore any counter arguments with passive topic changes and off-hand snark.

@Dynamo Frokane

But on a more serious note, that is an interesting criticism Dynamo. I am both surprised and not surprised. I am surprised that you would characterize me as ignoring counter arguments and being snarky when your modus operandi consists of avoiding any position which could possibly face criticism while simultaneously launching snarky memes and ad hominems from the sidelines.

At the same time I am not surprised. Attacks on the character of this threads debaters is what you do and you will go to great lengths to find something to attack. Look how far back you went to find quotes to throw at Poohead. Not quotes which provided evidence to support your argument on some point of political contention but quotes to mock and belittle him for claims he had made about his romantic and personal life. I disagree with Poohead on many things but that left a bad taste in my mouth.

Now you want to toss a few ad hominems at me which I suspect is a way to avoid taking a concrete position on anything but still getting in a few jabs. I suspect you avoid taking a position because what if you were verbally beat up and embarrassed by a superior debater? It is easier to toss out a few attacks at the characters of the debaters in this thread because no one can provide evidence in defense of their character on the internet without "doxing" themselves. The character of other debaters is the perfect target! You get to belittle someone else and position yourself as their superior while avoiding any possibility of being proven wrong because your claims can't be falsified.

If you said "your argument sucks because of X,Y and Z" then you would run the risk of being embarrassed when they provided evidence that proved your claims wrong. But when you say "you personally suck because of X, Y and Z" all they can do is say "that's not true."

But when the focus of your comments is not on the flaws of other's position or the strengths of your own position but instead on the flaws and foibles of other's character then you aren't really telling us anything about that person's flaws. We know everyone has personal flaws. When you went back I don't know how many pages to find quotes from Poohead to belittle him with you didn't tell me anything about Poohead but you told me a lot about you.

[POOHEAD189]

[Kratesis]

@POOHEAD189

[POOHEAD189]

I do find it refreshing that despite the fact many of us think others are pretty crazy for their opinions, there's still respect.

[Dolerman]

I do find it refreshing that despite the fact many of us think others are pretty crazy for their opinions, there's still respect.

@POOHEAD189

Haha you forgot to say M'lady.

[POOHEAD189]

Well, some respect at least.

[Dolerman]

Nice to see you finally engaging in something, I was worried you were going to just say: Source?

But on a more serious note, that is an interesting criticism Dynamo. I am both surprised and not surprised. I am surprised that you would characterize me as ignoring counter arguments and being snarky when your modus operandi consists of avoiding any position which could possibly face criticism while simultaneously launching snarky memes and ad hominems from the sidelines.

@Kratesis

I post many starterpack memes yes, but the idea that I'm somehow playing it safe is insane. I have lengthy debates when I care about the topic. I even had one with you in this very thread about if Ben Shapiro is Alt-Right or not, and I remember you pulling the Kratesis dodge/tap out of "what's even the point of this". As if questioning why someone is debating politics in a political thread is a valid rebuttal.

If I'm posting memes from the sidelines its usually cause I don't care to get in a lengthy debate about if trump has a russian hand up his ass, because the topic doesn't interest me.

At the same time I am not surprised. Attacks on the character of this threads debaters is what you do and you will go to great lengths to find something to attack. Look how far back you went to find quotes to throw at Poohead. Not quotes which provided evidence to support your argument on some point of political contention but quotes to mock and belittle him for claims he had made about his romantic and personal life. I disagree with Poohead on many things but that left a bad taste in my mouth.

Now you want to toss a few ad hominems at me which I suspect is a way to avoid taking a concrete position on anything but still getting in a few jabs. I suspect you avoid taking a position because what if you were verbally beat up and embarrassed by a superior debater? It is easier to toss out a few attacks at the characters of the debaters in this thread because no one can provide evidence in defense of their character on the internet without "doxing" themselves. The character of other debaters is the perfect target! You get to belittle someone else and position yourself as their superior while avoiding any possibility of being proven wrong because your claims can't be falsified.

@Kratesis

Its funny because apart from Sapiosexuality, I haven't actually disagreed with @POOHEAD189 on one thing in this thread. So the idea that I use ad homenims to make up for a lack of argument begs the question: 'What argument in the first place?'

I'm not attacking the dude's romantic life, I'm attacking his humblebrag quotes about how girls run to him and he doesnt chase them. When its very obvious that while obviously a smart and or charming guy of course he chases girls he likes, just like damn near every non-celebrity straight male, including me in the world does.
The intent is playful, but if poohead seriously takes offense to it, which I doubt he does, then I will happily apologise.

But your point about attack character is a load of crap, every serious debate I've had has kept the focus strictly on the argument, and very respectful. Look at my exchange with @The Harbinger of Ferocity about James Allsup and find my 'outrageous character attacks' or 'ad-homenims' go on, I'll wait. Or even better, ask the Cat-Man himself about how 'disrespectful' I was during the exchange.

If you said "your argument sucks because of X,Y and Z" then you would run the risk of being embarrassed when they provided evidence that proved your claims wrong. But when you say "you personally suck because of X, Y and Z" all they can do is say "that's not true."

But when the focus of your comments is not on the flaws of other's position or the strengths of your own position but instead on the flaws and foibles of other's character then you aren't really telling us anything about that person's flaws. We know everyone has personal flaws. When you went back I don't know how many pages to find quotes from Poohead to belittle him with you didn't tell me anything about Poohead but you told me a lot about you.

@Kratesis

I probably shouldn't have quoted this because you've basically just repeated yourself and it just isnt true. You've decided to look at my one jab at Poohead and a handful of my snarky memes and try to come up with a half-assed conclusion about my debate style. I'll happily debate you on a subject without resorting to any sort of attacks, but I only engage when I feel like I have something to contribute to the topic that doesn't bore the crap out of me. How about we start with why Ben Shapiro isn't Alt Right?

[Dolerman]

I'd literally never heard of Ben Shapiro until this thread.

@POOHEAD189

You should check him out, I disagree with him on a great many issues but he's fairly well informed about the stuff he talks about and is one of the few relevant people on youtube with some actual integrity.

He's a conservative who's very critical of Trump and has been endlessly attacked by the alt-right since the primaries. I guess I just find it refreshing to see a smart, confident conservative boldy say that white supremacy is not okay and that others on the right should be doing more about cleansing the extremist elements on their side of the fence, lest they want to turn out like the left.

Which is incidentally why I find it quite frustrating when your new right-wing waifu Kratesis says that he's Alt-Right but wont give me one good reason apart from a ridiculous "No true scotsman, he's either every label or none of them".

Let me know what you think.

[Andreyich]

>dynamo pretending he's a centrist

Lel

[Dolerman]

>dynamo pretending he's a centrist

Lel

@Andreyich

You thought that Poohead was left wing, so youre probably not the best person to identify where the middle is.

[mdk]

But your point about attack character is a load of crap, every serious debate I've had has kept the focus strictly on the argument, and very respectful. Look at my exchange with @The Harbinger of Ferocity about James Allsup and find my 'outrageous character attacks' or 'ad-homenims' go on, I'll wait. Or even better, ask the Cat-Man himself about how 'disrespectful' I was during the exchange.

@Dynamo Frokane

That one time where you spent two pages calling me a racist (for, ironically, valuing the lives and accomplishments of African-Americans) was super 'on the argument' and 'respectful.'

[Dolerman]

<Snipped quote by Dynamo Frokane>

That one time where you spent two pages calling me a racist (for, ironically, valuing the lives and accomplishments of African-Americans) was super 'on the argument' and 'respectful.'

@mdk

[mdk]

figures.