Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Fabricant451]

Now that, was an actual joke.

@SleepingSilence

Jury's out on that one.

But still too much stupid I have to deal with. <.<

No one's forcing you, dude. For the record, up until today I was cool with you.

[Ace of Hearts]

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aren't you the guy who whines about anime and buffy the vampire slayer on the status bar

@memes

>shitposting
>whining

[Ace of Hearts]

aaaawwww fuck here comes the cool badass looking to pick a fight with everyone

[Ace of Hearts]

Being against the alt-right is autistic

i bet you get your politics from south park

[Fabricant451]

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took you that long?

@memes

What can I say, I'm an idiot.

[Skepic]

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

@Ace of Hearts

Because framing the true Alt-Right and the "Alt-Right" as the only ones worthy of criticism and condemnation, while advocating for them and them alone to lose their right to exercise free speech, is more acceptable?

[Ace of Hearts]

damn, edgy nazi defender internet jokester said I was triggered

i bet your mom is proud, when your dad isn't beating her that is

[Keyguyperson]

To everyone picking apart what I said, I should really clarify. I wasn't saying that we shouldn't ever judge anyone because morality is relative, I was saying that basing an entire argument upon your own personal morals (free speech is good so if you punch white supremacists then you're bad) shouldn't be done because morality is relative. It's not an effective argument, since it's similar to arguing as a Christian to an Athiest that they should sell all their possessions and give the money to the poor because that's what Jesus told the rich man to do. That might be a good thing for them to do, but that doesn't mean the other person will agree to do so because the son of a God they don't believe in said so.

If you absolutely have to use morality in an argument, common ground should be established first. Saying "Well, the second amendment says..." won't work unless both of you personally agree with the second amendment and what it states. If both of you agree that free speech is inherently a good thing, using it as a point of argument is useless. If you don't, then you should argue using different appeals rather than continuing to just say that your morals say you're right. If you can't manage to get anywhere with different appeals, then maybe your opinion isn't as strong as you thought.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with trying to change someone's mind on the moral issue in the first place. I'm making an argument that morality is relative and has no inherent basis beyond common human instincts. Laws against, say, murder make sense because humanity as a whole can agree that just flat out killing someone is bad. I don't think that every aspect of action pertaining to what you could consider morality is relative, because as a species we do share some inherent instincts that we consider morality. We aren't hunter gatherers anymore, though, and in our complex societies and cultures morals can be heavily divergent. Attempting to change someone else's morals, either through a one-on-one conversation or massive cultural movement that could end with the spilling of blood, is a natural thing and I'm not saying it should never be done. On the contrary, I think it should be done more often.

[Penny]

go eat some dogs because thats what the chinese do

(morality is relative therefore this statement has no consequences amirite)

@memes

I've eaten dog, it is gross :(

[Dolerman]

What about Dynamo? He and I have had a number of disagreements and I'm cool with him. I mean, he's cool by me.

@Fabricant451