[OOC] Yu-Gi-Oh! Guardians

[Todd Howard]

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[NightmareInd]

@NightmareInd Y'know, I kind of have a question about your Guardian.

What in the actual heck does 'Ignore the effect' mean? That's such a weird way to word things that I don't actually know what the card is supposed to do.

@Ammokkx

Basicly a combination of:

I think it means to say negated.

@Ryougu

and:

it's a life-cut of pretty much all level 5 or higher monster effects.

@Raddum

However, I purposely didn't the use 'negated', as that would suggest an effect is activated. Even passive effects of some cards will not work, like 'this monster can not be normal summoned', meaning they now can be tribute summoned but without their original effect.

On the other hand, since English is not my native language, if you guys know a better way to describe it, feel free to tell me.

[Ammokkx]

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Basicly a combination of:

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and:

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However, I purposely didn't the use 'negated', as that would suggest an effect is activated. Even passive effects of some cards will not work, like 'this monster can not be normal summoned', meaning they now can be tribute summoned but without their original effect.

On the other hand, since English is not my native language, if you guys know a better way to describe it, feel free to tell me.

@NightmareInd

That... flat out doesn't work. It's not a mechanic and would cause a ruling headache. Also it'd be broken, as you can now tribute 2, summon Horakthy and win the game (Win conditions are not effects and can not be stopped.)

I mean, if you really want me to give a shot at wording it:

Negate the activation and effect of all Level 5 or higher monsters. Both players can Normal or Special Summon Level 5 or higher monsters ignoring summoning conditions. Level 5 or higher monsters can not be Special Summoned via their own effect.

...but again, in both instances, you'd still get the 'Tribute summon Horakthy, win' situation.

[NightmareInd]

@Ammokkx Actually, since the person that Horakhty SPECIAL Summons wins, it will become useless. Also, in my idea I was including win conditions of Effect Monsters as Effects as well.

[Archmage MC]

@Ammokkx @NightmareInd

I agree with Amokkx, that guardian monster needs a redesign. Its too much of a headache as is. "Negate the effects of all level 5 or higher monsters.' And whatever that monarch spell is that reduces the amount of tributes needed to summon a monarch would work alright together.

[Ammokkx]

@Ammokkx Actually, since the person that Horakhty SPECIAL Summons wins, it will become useless. Also, in my idea I was including win conditions of Effect Monsters as Effects as well.

@NightmareInd

Win conditions are not effects. You can not stop a win condition.

This is a basic rule.

The setup required for a win condition can be an effect that you can negate, but once the condition has been fulfilled it cannot be stopped.

EDIT: I do admit to being wrong about Horakthy, though.

[NightmareInd]

Yeah, I realise that my wording could be better now. Maybe something like "Negate the effects of all Level 5 or higher monsters, and the Summoning Conditions of all Level 5 or higher that aren't in the Extra Deck."? I don't want to negate the summoning conditions of the Extra Deck, otherwise Fusion, Synchro and Xyz monsters could get into the field too easily.

[Archmage MC]

@NightmareInd That 2nd part of the effect is the one thats the problem mate. Remove that and your fine.

[Ammokkx]

Xyz monsters could get into the field too easily.

@NightmareInd

Xyz monsters do not have levels. They have Ranks. _{^{DOESN'T THAT MEAN THEIR LEVEL IS 0?!}}

Anyway, in that case:

Negate the activation and effect of all Level 5 or higher monsters. Both players can Normal or Special Summon Level 5 or higher monsters, excluding Fusion and Synchro monsters, ignoring summoning conditions. Level 5 or higher monsters can not be Special Summoned via their own effect.

Also Relay Soul/Damage Condenser on Horakthy is now a thing. And that does work. Not that I think Horakthy is going to be a problem, just a funny thing to think about.

[NightmareInd]

@Archmage MC Problem with that is that it would become even MORE OP when I leave out that part, because that way monsters that need to be special summoned without the activation of a spell or trap like Elegant Egotist can't be summoned at all anymore. Now they at least can be summoned and use their ATK and stuff.

Negate the activation and effect of all Level 5 or higher monsters. Both players can Normal or Special Summon Level 5 or higher monsters, excluding Fusion and Synchro monsters, ignoring summoning conditions. Level 5 or higher monsters can not be Special Summoned via their own effect.

@Ammokkx

THAT is a very good one.

[Archmage MC]

@Ammokkx Explain that combo. That sounds like a hilarious deck.

[Ammokkx]

@Ammokkx Explain that combo. That sounds like a hilarious deck.

@Archmage MC

Nonono - I meant with the Guardian. It's not an actual thing, that would be ludicrous.

THAT is a very good one.

@NightmareInd

I'm always willing to help with PSCT if it prevents confusing stuff like this.

[NightmareInd]

Let's just hope there is no one with Horakhty then (in before Raddum makes that NPC especially for me).

[Todd Howard]

@NightmareInd

I wouldn't intentionally make anything special for anyone, so no worries there.

[Archmage MC]

@NightmareInd

I wouldn't intentionally make anything special for anyone, so no worries there.

@Raddum

But you made Leeroy Jenkins! :P

[Todd Howard]

@Archmage MC

Honestly I'm just trying to be social in the OOC. The closest thing you'll actually be getting is a reckless retard I had already intended to make, which I figured would be enough to count.

I'm not actually making any additional characters from what I originally intended, they just happen to meet the memequirements.

[NightmareInd]

the memequirements.

@Raddum

Those must be very low, knowing the internet.

[Todd Howard]

@NightmareInd

Depends.

But mostly, yes. As an internet shitposter I'm inclined to agree.

[Archmage MC]

@Raddum I'm just messin with ya. Its all good.

[Todd Howard]

@Archmage MC

Well, joke or not, I'm going to be honest and straight-forward about it. :P