[OOC] TZDL2017 Rules/Signups/Updates

[Decoy]

@DLL@Negatomsk@AtlasRize@Tezcatlipoca

I apologize if I missed any of the members of the Luchalliance - was not my intent. I don't have any harsh words or bashing comments to make. I see your group is leaving the tournament and that brings forth a feeling of regret as I would've loved to have the opportunity to see your high flying spectacle of Hispanic based wrestlers. While I dislike the fact that the events thus far have unfolded as they have and there is feelings of directed bias or disdain for your builds, I also understand - from a point - why you would deem it more necessary to leave than compete. Hell, I know I wouldn't want to be somewhere that I felt unwanted or unfairly judged.

However, currently we can hear what you're saying and see that its effected you all negatively, but is it really such a bad incident that some level of accommodation or discussion be had that could further rectify the situation that wouldn't result in the loss of your team from the roster? I get that maybe the Rule-set doesn't necessarily stand to the status quo of what's normal in some communities but thus far I've seen plenty of approved profiles just due to some conversation and cooperation.

I'm not asking you guys to neuter yourselves and be happy about it (I wouldn't. I'd be pissed.) but to infer that whats occurring here is based off of Personal Feelings is somewhat ludicrous. Maybe I could understand if it was just Devil doing the profile acceptions, but from what I see there are multiple judges each with equal say as to what gets approved or denied or modified. I'm not sure what all occurred between the conversations you mention having and the back and forth...

but what I do know is that it's not neccessary to bash the thing you're exiting from simply due to a dislike of how things went down. I see, from the last post, that it wasn't fun for you guys. Hell, I get that. I wouldn't want to take part in anything that wasn't fun for me. But to attempt to discredit in someway the legitimacy of the Tournaments Prize (Regardless of your personal opinion of Devil, that has no place when money is put on the table) or to further discredit the tournament as it is (when the rules of said tournament and the how it'll be graded is on the first page) is kind of...childish? I'm not trying to insult, truly. I apologize now if anything of what I said comes off in anyway mean spirited or rude...Sometimes feelings can't be relayed via Text.

Im sad to see all of you go - wish there was something that could be done - but respect your decision enough not to harass or troll. I only ask that if there IS a possibility of an amicable solution that maybe it be approached with the same open mind as you had coming in the first place?

Ten years of past bullshit is far too small in comparison to the larger scale of things to start harassing and hating on each other all over again. Whoever said that this wasn't the time to split communities up was Right. This is the time of unification as the game - as we know it - is dying. New talent seem to prefer themes vs Freeform. Combat is being stifled by Stats, Roleplay is becoming less of a Storytelling game and more of a Sentence Structure (like old times) game. Some of us have been around a long time (Alot of you included) and have had the opportunity to interact with most or some of the people who attended this tournament. Is this issue really so much that a simple discussion (Public or not) can't occur to try and alleviate the tension or contention?

I hope that's not the case...

Now, more than ever, we need each other...

[Guru]

@Decoy Well spoken.

[Doc Doctor]

@Negatomsk

Fun, yes, and fair as well. Fair isn't trying to argue your way into having an OP character participate in a ranked contest. The police exist for a reason, and so do judges.

As for Gonad, the difference is fundamental. McDonald's and Five Guys, a garage band and AC/DC. The 'real deal' is above petty speculation.

Stay awhile, take your shoes off and relax. Remain in this tournament and look forward to your meeting Gonad, but until then, enjoy what peace of mind you have.

[Maquina]

@Decoy

I believe the other contestants of the tournament have made their message clear - they don't particularly want us here, either.

I know the cold shoulder on profile recommendations has frozen out Tezcatlipoca's desire to compete completely. Being told your sheet is a hair's breadth from being rejected, then left swinging in the wind for close to half a month wondering WHY your sheet is a hair's breadth from rejection does a number on one's drive and enthusiasm for an event. Enki has had to abandon one sheet already and was, prior to the decision to pull out, wrestling with the judges over his second. Rize was informed that he was unwelcome at the event completely, and at all future events of the same name.

Even if compromises in terms of character acceptance could be reached - and Negatomsk's Lobo Blanco shows they can be - none of us want to be here anymore, either. Considering the fact that Mobius invited Dias and myself, specifically by name, to attend - and did so on our home board, with copious evidence of our typical profiles and styles - I feel that perhaps the man should've been prepared for us when we showed up.

For the sake of gentlemaskly conduct I'll keep the rest of my disputes to myself, but in short - no, there is no compromise I'm prepared to make at this point. There are folks I will regret missing the chance to test Maquina against, there are folks I'm now quite glad I won't have to waste my time on, but I have better things to do than to play Sandbagger #3 on Mobius' tournament brackets.

[Mobius]

I'm going to address the easiest concerns first to the hardest in the fairness of myself. Now before I begin I want Everyone to look at a few rules this tournament has. It is imperative we all do so because it will frame the overall perspective I and my judges have and why this reply will take the route it will. Be warned: I don't care for the heirs of "professionalism" unless I am outright flaming someone which I won't be.

The B/R list, scheduling system, special rulings, and these general rules are subject to change at a given moment.
Mobius, and by extension the judges, are NOT responsible for the players in this tournament upon entry. We cannot or will not guarantee rulings and verdicts in your favor nor will we screen, examine, analyze, or evaluate your post before you submit in your fight. We MAY only do so for legality, but all discrepancies fall upon the player whether it is your profile sheet or any action you make.
You CANNOT use any power, weapon, ability, item, or etc that is NOT stated in your profile sheet UNLESS authorized by a map; however, you may use or create byproducts of your abilities, weapons, power, items, etc through In Character creativity.
For ambiguity: Your powers, abilities, weapons, armor, and etc must be adequately described or its behavior[How it functions and why] and properties[The metrics: how fast or strong] will Default.

Now let's begin

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After being forced to make concessions to La Màquina’s sheet that not only break the spirit of her character, but render her easy elimination in the preliminary rounds of the tournament a nigh-certainty,

@DLL

If reducing the amount of stack your blazing heart has and reducing the 200 meter all sensory "info catch" is enough to eliminate you from the preliminaries then you have extremely limited faith in your own abilities to perform. The spirit of your character? All I asked was two specific things from your character and I'll forgo the confidence to produce this log.

pastebin.com/AagDit51

I get home at 4:30PM EST and take a shower before getting on the machine around 5 or 5:30PM so I have yet to answer this. I want people to read this carefully because we might need to reference it later.

My friend AtlasRize was summarily rejected from the tournament with little explanation given, no chance offered to correct grievances with his entry, and informed that he need not reapply to this TZDL event, or any TZDL event held in the future.

@DLL

Please refrain from making up fabrications especially when I can just post this
pastebin.com/1eau1sSp

In case what people wonder what this line meant click the link
"it may seem unfair to not allow you to re-apply for a new character I was ensured by you that all characters in your group tailored your characters to the rules of the tournament."

This is the Ultron situation all over again. A player didn't clearly see the scheduling system or didn't care for it (who knows) and then came in with that kind of build. The player wasn't banned from TZDL. He just can't compete at this event. I was promised, by him exclusively, that things were up to snuff and they weren't. So I held him accountable. Ultron didn't promise me anything, but he made an assumption and copy-pasted from a wiki without READING THE RULES and making the changes therein. Why should I be obliged at this point? Why should I have to sit down and craft his powers for him if he can't take the time to go "hmm I wonder if this entropy thing was a bit much."

My friend Tezcatlipoca was informed that Rey del Oscuridad II’s sheet was bitterly contentious and on the verge of outright rejection, and yet has gone for close to two weeks without a single word offered by way of advice, correction requests, or indeed anything else which could be used to correct this ‘bitterly contentious’ sheet.

@DLL

Who told him that? You know what don't answer I know who it is and I know that Dirge has been telling you and your friends everything. Why do you think I made this post, and this, and this, to answer you? I knew from the very time Enki had his conniption that he was feeding information (and generally being a rogue); however, we did NOT outright reject him. We came to an agreement that we'll fairly sort him out provided how everyone else is doing, but he was not slated for last. We wanted to reduce the scale of some of his abilities which is a far point from a rejection so save that misinformation for someone who doesn't know.

I myself was subjected to the revocation of my approval to compete immediately following what I perceived to be a respectful, if somewhat heated, discussion of the Luchalliance usage of the term ‘ether’ and our methodology of inclusiveness rather than exclusiveness concerning the use of mystical phenomena-based powers and abilities.

@DLL

This is a mistake on our part, but if you, and everyone, read the PM we apologized for it. It was an oversight Enki brought to Dirge and then we decided to investigate his claim. Now if we really thought less of you and your crew then we wouldn't have. That's right. Enki's own message to Dirge about YOU doing whatever you want made us consider examining the issue in fairness. I'd be very careful where you are getting your intel from.

As far as ether: Every time a profile had it mentioned it was a stack and catch-all. Don't blame me. Blame yourselves for not describing it better or putting limitations on it. You know why I say that? and not to attack Negato, but you both have something in common. When I inquired about the Blazing Heart instead of you making a proposed change like Everett did (you know, complying and moving on) you decided to tell me a huge story of what is can and can't do without actually doing the changes. You believe you can get by on some secret ghost explanation of your build and I'd go "ok he told me in PM what it does guys don't worry" how the hell is that fair to the other competitors? I ask to put it in your profile sheet not you explain it to me in a PM. The time it took you to write that you could have sat down and actually made a cool system on how its intended functions work or limitations or something.

and this in the face of a tournament where a single character is permitted to consist of two full-sized dragons able to devastate the entire battlefield at once with unavoidable bombardments of lightning.

@DLL

You wouldn't believe how we attacked Keileon's Green Breath and had spent two days on the NPC armor ability so I wouldn't exactly talk about someone else if I were you. Keileon's electricity is tame compared to a character who can know it's electricity, how it works, and then use a counter energy fuel to create holoconstructs to instant counter cause "her attacks are simple enough" from 200 meters that's less than 1000 feet. Your very character who has an aura that can also be adjusted to counter anything because Blazing Heart would allow you to make anything your character will know the properties of said energy. That was what I said in the PM above and I am saying it here. Darth's sensory range was 1000 feet and did even LESS than yours and he complied to 150' no complaints and none of this.

Sadly, my backhanded rejection from the tournament and the questionable treatment of my fellows does not afford us the opportunity to meet you on the field of glory.

@DLL

You were treated NO differently than anyone else in this tournament. That is a flat-out lie. This is a demonstrably proven lie and any pending or accepted player can tell you. I inquire everything.

We will not waste our time further with a man who clearly does not desire our presence and ‘invited’ us merely to try and inflate his numbers.

@DLL

Who didn't want you? I asked Dias for you specifically because I wanted you to fight and build you stupid name up. That's also why I wanted him too and a bunch of specific names to begin with. The brand was to be made off of somewhat known players I've scouted for many years. The new guys are just as important as you, but they don't cry nearly as much.

And to the TZDL management team, I say this: good fucking riddance.

@DLL

How unfortunately petty but the feeling is mutual if this is how you behave.

Frankly I agree with what Laser said about handling people's characters through judgments and not through this rigorous-as-shit profile screening which has been grating on my patience for a long fucking time. Profiles should be given an individual once over, possibly even a twice, and thrice-over, but at this point it's starting to become a dick-and-balls-in-a-vice over with layers of scrutiny involved over every vein and wrinkle of the scrotum.

[@Albatross]

That's because there's rules and standards we want and we're trying to ensure certain things aren't breached. I find it funny you say this because had i let people in all willy-nilly then you'd complain about me not enforcing the rules on certain characters.

I know the cold shoulder on profile recommendations has frozen out Tezcatlipoca's desire to compete completely. Being told your sheet is a hair's breadth from being rejected, then left swinging in the wind for close to half a month wondering WHY your sheet is a hair's breadth from rejection does a number on one's drive and enthusiasm for an event.

@DLL

Who told him this? Confirm this and if this was told to him then he wasn't told the truth or it was Dirge masquerading as one of you which is against the rules and means you harbor a cheater. So I demand evidence we told him any of this.

Enki has had to abandon one sheet already and was, prior to the decision to pull out, wrestling with the judges over his second

@DLL

He did so on his own. We was never given a formal PM from me. He was handled by Dirge. So whatever he was being told I can't account for.

Rize was informed that he was unwelcome at the event completely, and at all future events of the same name.

@DLL

Lie

Considering the fact that Mobius invited Dias and myself, specifically by name, to attend - and did so on our home board, with copious evidence of our typical profiles and styles

@DLL

That is another assumption you made. You made these assumptions when we argued before about your ether use. You said you assumed you can use it here without needing to elaborate. You assumed I'd help you. You didn't read the rules. I can't guarantee you anything. That is THE MOST honest and forthright thing I can tell anyone. Do you think I have time to read all profiles thrown at me prior to a tournament? I use to do that and even helped people make better builds from it, but then I realized I'll be holding you by the hand. This is a tournament with set rules and this time around, unlike previous TZDLs, everything is RIGHT here for you to read and reference. You didn't take the time to do it yourself and half of TZDL, or any tournament, is to challenge your ability TO make an appropriate build that works within the tournament and destroys everyone you encounter. Do you go to a tournament and ask a judge to see if something is banned if they have a ban list available? Seriously?

but I have better things to do than to play Sandbagger #3 on Mobius' tournament brackets.

@DLL

Please. All I ask was to reduce the amount of energies.. fuck this I got a better idea.

Your blazing heart can produce a "seemingly" unlimited energy in different varieties to facilitate whatever you can make with holoconstructs. Let's sink that in. You think I am sandbagging you because I ask to reduce the almost HUMONGOUS range of different energy types you have while you can make whatever you want? Even Enki said this was bullshit and I agreed which is why you got your PM, but I am sandbagging you.. Perhaps if you were a better fighter you wouldn't feel that way because if I had an unlimited source of energy that can make almost any kind of energy (unspecified) to fiance constructs of energies to do anything I want (blazing heart justification) and can discern tech/energy and then counter with it cause of both I would actually tone it down too. Shit you complained about Keileon up there, but she actually has like one elemental and subsets of her fires that just do a small range of things compared to your Blazing Heart. Yeah.. sandbag.

for everyone else:

The judging of your characters are slow because we have argued and fought over your characters and shit to death for the sake of being thorough. We have given everyone, even Ultron, a fair chance and grade things appropriately. This bullshit here is only going to slow me down even more that I have to address one man on a mission to discredit the league because he can't play fair like everyone else. I mean EVERYONE ELSE no one has done this even Negato capitulated and then was approved and got to keep a lot of his stuff (he has kinetic fire, regular fire, poison fire, dimensional fire, fire that can use a variety of other stuff). We have been at 5 profiles a night (including pending) to get everyone approved. The reason for approval is to avoid THIS VERY THING happening in the tournament. The hardest part of judging is the fighting and if we all have our established shit in order the only arguing will be what happened in the fight not the person's power itself we all passive aggressively internalize until we find an opportunity to blow up and say "WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO DO THIS!" We'll get that anyway, but at least with the screening there is more of a fighting chance then someone literally autohitting you in their field (hence why I ask for reductions to certain types of sensory). We do the best we can and ensure not only can we properly grade everyone (scheduling system) but try to find a way where we don't destroy your strat. You can read the PMs.

What I won't do is build your character for you or indirectly teach you how to play.

[AtlasRize]

This is the Ultron situation all over again. A player didn't clearly see the scheduling system or didn't care for it (who knows) and then came in with that kind of build. The player wasn't banned from TZDL. He just can't compete at this event. I was promised, by him exclusively, that things were up to snuff and they weren't. So I held him accountable. Ultron didn't promise me anything, but he made an assumption and copy-pasted from a wiki without READING THE RULES and making the changes therein. Why should I be obliged at this point? Why should I have to sit down and craft his powers for him if he can't take the time to go "hmm I wonder if this entropy thing was a bit much."

@Devil

Oh, no, I read it. I would suggest that perhaps it is not abundantly clear how the system works. And what I told you was that the sheets were modified to fit your rules. I made no other promises or assertions. And obviously I didn't believe the entropy thing is too much, I'd prefer it if you didn't make insulting assumptions about my thought process, thanks. Regardless, like I said before, good luck with everything.

[Negatomsk]

As for Gonad, the difference is fundamental. McDonald's and Five Guys, a garage band and AC/DC. The 'real deal' is above petty speculation.

@Doc Doctor

Pretty big talk considering two members of the alliance have already beaten you, with one having beaten Gonad himself, but keep talking.

[Alucroas]

Oh, just beat the fuck out of each other already.

[Negatomsk]

@Albatross City

I offered! And was told to save it for the tourney.

[Metal Tortoise]

"This is the Ultron situation all over again. A player didn't clearly see the scheduling system or didn't care for it (who knows) and then came in with that kind of build. The player wasn't banned from TZDL. He just can't compete at this event. I was promised, by him exclusively, that things were up to snuff and they weren't. So I held him accountable. Ultron didn't promise me anything, but he made an assumption and copy-pasted from a wiki without READING THE RULES and making the changes therein. Why should I be obliged at this point? Why should I have to sit down and craft his powers for him if he can't take the time to go "hmm I wonder if this entropy thing was a bit much."

Moebious/Devil obviously is MENTALLY impaired.

No DIPSHIT, I did Not TELL anyone to fucking 'make new powers' for me. I OFFERED to take off a few little things post your goddamn judges or 'participants' or whatever bullshit and what did I get? 'I cant be bothered to..dadada, I'mma just lalal around a fucking flower field because I'm an incompetent piece of shit'. You have this thing were apparently you talk about 'others nod reading the rules/scheduling/...what the fuck ever' and then you turn around and say 'Oh I cant be bothered to PM someone the problems I have...OR THIS ONE PERSON, WHEN I DID WITH ANYONE ELSE' because...I dont know why? Again, I read you fucking horse hockey but you didnt...believe me because of one thing (which I OFFERED, ON HERE, TO REMOVE) and...this 'power crafting' thing is...I dunno where that comes, again, I suspect your mentally impaired at this point and it's a wonder no one has called your horseshit out on you, other then whatever ass kissers you can accumulate.

Stop throwing me into your petty nonsensicle bullshit you goddamn twat.

[Mobius]

I want to ask everyone individually in the luchalliance if they can confirm whether they are quitting or staying so I can officially remove you from the tournament. For those who are leaving I consider this unfortunate for us both, but I hope next time will be a better experience if any.

[Doc Doctor]

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Pretty big talk considering two members of the alliance have already beaten you, with one having beaten Gonad himself, but keep talking.

@Negatomsk

Beaten me? Really now? I recall neither loss being conventional, rather, I was playing with your lads the way a father plays with his infant son. You mistake my pity for weakness. I went easy on your friend, and accomodated him to an incredible extent. He'd have lost in a single action if I had been more insistent on the function of Gonad's beardforce. Broken knuckles from the blocked punch, a broken wrist from the awkward way he tried to block the bear slap. Note that I handled the initial portion of the fight with /Gonad's arms crossed/.

He only got an edge by using /blatant bubbling/ which I also allowed, and in the end when he realized how soft I was treating him, he left. I allowed him a win for the sake of his dignity and had Gonad pass out from the frustration at having a foe flee so abruptly.

You must have read the fight. I was fucking around and you know it. I can choose to be a mean daddy, though. I don't have to play nice guy all the time.

But more importantly, now you insult the honor of your friends by hauling them into the light. Do you think they like having those threads cross examined? Wanna see a legit judge toss a glance at one of those friendlies, so he can tell you what your approximate chances would be against me?

One arm behind my back. I will take you with one arm behind my back. I'll make the thread tomorrow at your word, a nice ranked match. No need to wait for a tournament.

[Doc Doctor]

Edit. I don't want to drag Sky into something like this. It's bad enough I'm including him in my tough talk.

[Negatomsk]

@Doc DoctorPost up.

@Devil Remove me as well.

[Tezcatlipoca]

>Legit Judge
>RP Guild

Pick one.

[LeeRoy]

@Tezcatlipoca
Don't insult the entire site because you've got a crab in your ass.

[Keileon]

Moebious/Devil obviously is MENTALLY impaired.

@Metal Tortoise

And ad hominem is obviously helpful

[Everett]

@Devil
Consulting with my fellow Luchadores. I'll let you know within a day or so.

[Metal Tortoise]

@Keileon

Yeah well, when a lazy ass lying piece of shit keeps bringing up your name and bullshitting, your tolerance goes down and you STOP giving two fucks.

It's ok, keep defending the Special Ed case one way or another, dumb fuck needs it.

[Rilla]

While I'm all for healthy, vigorous debate and all, I'm gonna have to call for an end to the name calling and stuff. The big mods let me police this place how I see fit, which is usually to let you all sort it out.