[OOC] Olympus: School Of Demigods!

[The One]

@Prince of Seraphs I would have to look it up but I believe that's Kronos, you know, God of War games? Not Chronos, God of Time.

[The One]

@avorio Xd that was the whole point Xd

[Lady Seraphina]

@Prince of Seraphs I would have to look it up but I believe that's Kronos, you know, God of War games? Not Chronos, God of Time.

@The One

Same Titan. The various translations and evolution of the language has resulted in several different spellings of the name. Kronos, Cronus, Chronos, Chronus and more. Zeus father was the Titan of Time. After the titan wars the earliest myths say he was cut apart by his eldest three sons and cast into Tartarus, later ones once that became to disgusting for storytelling he was simply imprisoned and in a handful of the more obscure and pleasant ones he was made lord of the underworld paradise Elysium but in all accounts he was not allowed to return from the underworld.

[PharaohAtem]

@Prince of Seraphs I would have to look it up but I believe that's Kronos, you know, God of War games? Not Chronos, God of Time.

@The One

No he had it right chronos god of time and father of the titans who the big three rose up against but if you read this
greek-gods.org/titans/cronus.php

You'll see tha he was eventually released so and made king of the islands of the blessed and ruled over the souls of departed heros. depending on where in the time line we are he could have a kid. Who am I kidding he the god of time the very fact he was released at all means he could travel through time and have a kid at any point in time lol.

[Weird Tales]

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No he had it right chronos god of time and father of the titans who the big three rose up against but if you read this
greek-gods.org/titans/cronus.php

You'll see tha he was eventually released so and made king of the islands of the blessed and ruled over the souls of departed heros. depending on where in the time line we are he could have a kid. Who am I kidding he the god of time the very fact he was released at all means he could travel through time and have a kid at any point in time lol.

@PharaohAtem

That site is very contradictory to most sites that list kronos as just the titan of the harvest. Chronos the father of time is a primordial like Gaia

[PharaohAtem]

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That site is very contradictory to most sites that list kronos as just the titan of the harvest. Chronos the father of time is a primordial like Gaia

@Weird Tales

theoi.com/Titan/TitanKronos.html

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos

greekmythology.wikia.com/wiki/Kronos

Both of those back it up so have you got have you got any examples of how it's contradictory?

[Lady Seraphina]

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No he had it right chronos god of time and father of the titans who the big three rose up against but if you read this
greek-gods.org/titans/cronus.php

You'll see tha he was eventually released so and made king of the islands of the blessed and ruled over the souls of departed heros. depending on where in the time line we are he could have a kid. Who am I kidding he the god of time the very fact he was released at all means he could travel through time and have a kid at any point in time lol.

@PharaohAtem

The Isle of the Bless is the high end neighborhood section of Elysium. It's still part of the underworld which belies the ability to make a living human child as there's a lack of living human women in that area.

Though that is one of the less used versions of the myth in the context of Zeus being the least bit merciful. Given that we've sort of set Zeus up as incredibly selfish and more than willing to go to war with his fellow gods mercy doesn't seem to really be his strong suit. But let's say that we did go that route and Kronos was allowed out of the underworld. Why isn't he the one spearheading the fight against Zeus. The world was his until Zeus stole it from him. Why would he be cool with letting Zeus keep it? And if we assume he is both free and fighting against Zeus why hasn't divine battle already broke out rather than simple the rising of tensions as a prelude to battle that has been established so far? Basically if Kronos is free all logic dictates that we should be in the middle of the last Percy Jackson book rather than attending school.

That site is very contradictory to most sites that list Kronos as just the Titan of the Harvest. Chronos the Father of Time is a primordial like Gaia.

@Weird Tales

The version of Greek mythology that lists Chronos as a primordial is very very old, old enough that it predates the modern Greek pantheon, more accurately so old that the Greek pantheon that exists in support of Chronos being a primordial looks nothing like the one established in the RP. Examples, the original primordials were Chronos, Zeus and Chthonie existing as personifications of eternal principles. Chronos created Aether, Chaos, and an egg that hatched into Phanes who then created the first generation of Olympians.

Only the earliest representations of Father Time have him as a primordial. With the evolution of the modern Greek pantheon Chronos was merged with the early concept of Kronos which created the modern version of the King of the Titans. Look up illustrations of Father Time, he's holding Kronos' scythe.

[PharaohAtem]

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The Isle of the Bless is the high end neighborhood section of Elysium. It's still part of the underworld which belies the ability to make a living human child as there's a lack of living human women in that area.

Though that is one of the less used versions of the myth in the context of Zeus being the least bit merciful. Given that we've sort of set Zeus up as incredibly selfish and more than willing to go to war with his fellow gods mercy doesn't seem to really be his strong suit. But let's say that we did go that route and Chronus was allowed out of the underworld. Why isn't he the one spearheading the fight against Zeus. The world was his until Zeus stole it from him. Why would he be cool with letting Zeus keep it? And if we assume he is both free and fighting against Zeus why hasn't divine battle already broke out rather than simple the rising of tensions as a prelude to battle that has been established so far? Basically if Chronus is free all logic dictates that we should be in the middle of the last Percy Jackson book rather than attending school.

@Prince of Seraphs

Fair point however if we go with him m still being trapped it still works for the same reason eventually he will be released even if it's not by Zeus and once he is free he can go back in time to farther a mortal child.

[Lady Seraphina]

Fair point however if we go with him still being trapped it still works for the same reason. Eventually he will be released even if it's not by Zeus and once he is free he can go back in time to father a mortal child.

@PharaohAtem

Why?

I have certain reservation about a character, even a god level one having the type of time manipulation you're talking about. Mostly because it begs the question "Why doesn't he return to the Titanomachy and use the fact that there are two of him (or more Reverse-Flash style) to end up winning the war in the first place."

But putting that aside by and large when the titans ruled the earth humans were nothing more than cattle. If he's newly released that's still the mindset he's going to hold. While I can totally see him sleeping with a human as the fancy strikes him, going back in time to do it seems like a massive expenditure of power to do something that he could just as easily do in the present day. It'd be like going back in time to make yourself a sandwich instead of just making yourself a sandwich.

[Lady Seraphina]

I suddenly feel like I'm probably getting on people's nerves by... well I'm not sure precisely why but experience tells me that when I talk this much about a single subject against an opposing viewpoint I'm probably getting on someone's nerves.

I wanted to apologize for that. I'm just trying to get a firm understanding of how the RP pantheon is set up since if you looked at all the Greek myths they contradict each other six ways to Sunday, and that's not counting the ones were opposing translations lead to different interpretations.

Sorry If I'm getting on anyone's nerves. I don't know for certain if I'm being obnoxious but if at any point in the future I am you can feel free to just point it out straight up. I try to reign it in but I'm not always the best at identifying when I'm doing it.

[The One]

@Prince of Seraphs Nonsense, shut up and stop being stupid. It's just a discussion. Honestly, I said I may make Chronos, never said I would actually do it.

[PharaohAtem]

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Why?

I have certain reservation about a character, even a god level one having the type of time manipulation you're talking about. Mostly because it begs the question "Why doesn't he return to the Titanomachy and use the fact that there are two of him (or more Reverse-Flash style) to end up winning the war in the first place."

But putting that aside by and large when the titans ruled the earth humans were nothing more than cattle. If he's newly released that's still the mindset he's going to hold. While I can totally see him sleeping with a human as the fancy strikes him, going back in time to do it seems like a massive expenditure of power to do something that he could just as easily do in the present day. It'd be like going back in time to make yourself a sandwich instead of just making yourself a sandwich.

@Prince of Seraphs

Fist of all if he did create a time remnant like flash in most examples when they meet they would both empolde flass is a comic character and they break the laws of physics all the time unless you can explain how flass can run Minh time the speed of light that example is null and void and second their is a simple explanation he would go back to farther a child so that child could grow up and help the gods free him from his prison that's just of the top of my head.

On the other hand he could do it to help kill Zeus for example he gets free joins the battle against zeus but Zeus is still Winning so he goes back in time farther a child with the hope he will grow up and help him kill Zeus since in one respect demigods are stronger then gods since in persy Jackson they can steal the power of gods like with the lightning bolt.

[PharaohAtem]

I suddenly feel like I'm probably getting on people's nerves by... well I'm not sure precisely why but experience tells me that when I talk this much about a single subject against an opposing viewpoint I'm probably getting on someone's nerves.

I wanted to apologize for that. I'm just trying to get a firm understanding of how the RP pantheon is set up since if you looked at all the Greek myths they contradict each other six ways to Sunday, and that's not counting the ones were opposing translations lead to different interpretations.

Sorry If I'm getting on anyone's nerves. I don't know for certain if I'm being obnoxious but if at any point in the future I am you can feel free to just point it out straight up. I try to reign it in but I'm not always the best at identifying when I'm doing it.

@Prince of Seraphs

Your not getting on my nerves I actually enjoy debating stuff like this.

[Lady Seraphina]

Fist of all if he did create a time remnant like flash in most examples when they meet they would both implode Flash is a comic character and they break the laws of physics all the time unless you can explain how Flash can run Minh time the speed of light that example is null and void and second their is a simple explanation he would go back to farther a child so that child could grow up and help the gods free him from his prison that's just of the top of my head.

On the other hand he could do it to help kill Zeus for example he gets free joins the battle against Zeus but Zeus is still winning so he goes back in time to father a child with the hope he will grow up and help him kill Zeus since in one respect demigods are stronger then gods since in Percy Jackson they can steal the power of gods like with the lightning bolt.

@PharaohAtem

Obviously not exactly like the Flash cause talk about leaps of logic and breaking the laws of physics. Be that as it may there is nothing in the laws of time travel that prevent either the change of history or interaction with your past self beyond what a handful of science fiction writers have established to justify their storylines. If he has complete control over time as you seem to indicate there is no reason why he couldn't essentially alter any event in history that did not turn out the way he wanted. From that it could be assumed that he can manipulate time but not to the extent of actual time travel as most people understand it.

That aside that's a seriously risky move on his part as imbuing a mortal child with high titan abilities makes them extremely powerful and he has no means of guaranteeing they will join the war on his side. He could just as easily be delivering a powerful weapon into the hands of Zeus. And that example is also null and void because it deals with a specific authors interpretations of Greek myth and not Greek myth itself.

[PharaohAtem]

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Obviously not exactly like the Flash cause talk about leaps of logic and breaking the laws of physics. Be that as it may there is nothing in the laws of time travel that prevent either the change of history or interaction with your past self beyond what a handful of science fiction writers have established to justify their storylines. If he has complete control over time as you seem to indicate there is no reason why he couldn't essentially alter any event in history that did not turn out the way he wanted. From that it could be assumed that he can manipulate time but not to the extent of actual time travel as most people understand it.

That aside that's a seriously risky move on his part as imbuing a mortal child with high titan abilities makes them extremely powerful and he has no means of guaranteeing they will join the war on his side. He could just as easily be delivering a powerful weapon into the hands of Zeus. And that example is also null and void because it deals with a specific authors interpretations of Greek myth and not Greek myth itself.

@Prince of Seraphs

Fist I never started he had complete control over time I only mentioned time travel and I can think of a number of examples where comics break the laws that f physics

Time travel does give you some ganrate for example what if when he is freed it was his child that freed him he would have to go back and farther that child and same if his child is fighting by his side

[Lady Seraphina]

Fist I never started he had complete control over time I only mentioned time travel and I can think of a number of examples where comics break the laws that f physics

Time travel does give you some ganrate for example what if when he is freed it was his child that freed him he would have to go back and father that child and same if his child is fighting by his side

@PharaohAtem

Seems to have lost some words so I'm only getting the general idea of that point but...

By that logic there is nothing that prevents him from returning to the Golden Age of the Titans and say make sure he eats Zeus this time instead of a rock. That's what it keeps coming back to for me. If he can go back into time physically seventeen or eighteen years to complete a predestination paradox why can't he go back a couple thousand to keep himself in power?

[PharaohAtem]

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By that logic there is nothing that prevents him from returning to the Golden Age of the Titans and say make sure he eats Zeus this time instead of a rock. That's what it keeps coming back to for me. If he can go back into time physically seventeen or eighteen years to complete a predestination paradox why can't he go back a couple thousand to keep himself in power?

@Prince of Seraphs

Because he would create a paradox if he goes back and kills Zeus then Zeus never defeated him if Zeus never defeated him he has no reason to go back that is an impossible paradox what I am talking about is a time loop.

[PharaohAtem]

For example if he gets free and goes back in time to farther a child to help in his battle with Zeus later when he is freed he will meet his son and know he would have hat to go back in time to create him so he dose it would be like a loop in a rollercoaster where the point where both tracks meet in is the point he meets his child then the tracks just continue on.

[Lady Seraphina]

Because he would create a paradox if he goes back and kills Zeus then a ruse never defeated shim if Zeus never defeated s him he has no reason to go back that is an impossible paradox what I am talking about is a time loop.

@PharaohAtem

What you're talking about is a predestination paradox, an event that results in the creation of itself.

That's Big Bang Theory logic. In quantum mechanics, it's either fifth or sixth dimensional theory, altering the flow of time causes it to diverge rather than fold back upon itself.

The upshot of that if you go back in time the timeline that you originate from is maintained and becomes for all intents and purposes inaccessible to you. Any changes you make in the present will have no effect on your physical being, existence or memories. So if you go back in time and kill your father nothing will happen to you however the you of that timeline will never be born. This is the version of time travel that is best supported by actual science however it is rarely used in science fiction because if it was you can never return to your own time or place. If you tried you would be traveling to the future of the new timeline that your presence has created. It might be identical to the one you left depending on if you changed history but you would find that timeline's version of you living your life which means that from a story perspective unless one of yourself dies there is no way to write a happy ending and even if one of yourself dies it still kind of melancholy.

The logic that by time traveling you would accomplish an action and because that action was accomplished you have no motivation to go back in time in order to accomplish it is both cyclical reasoning and if it were true prevents time travel from being physically possible because whatever action you did after time traveling would be instantly undone by your future lack of motivation to do it.

[PharaohAtem]

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What you're talking about is a predestination paradox, an event that results in the creation of itself.

That's Big Bang Theory logic. In quantum mechanics, it's either fifth or sixth dimensional theory, altering the flow of time causes it to diverge rather than fold back upon itself.

The upshot of that if you go back in time the timeline that you originate from is maintained and becomes for all intents and purposes inaccessible to you. Any changes you make in the present will have no effect on your physical being, existence or memories. So if you go back in time and kill your father nothing will happen to you however the you of that timeline will never be born. This is the version of time travel that is best supported by actual science however it is rarely used in science fiction because if it was you can never return to your own time or place. If you tried you would be traveling to the future of the new timeline that your presence has created. It might be identical to the one you left depending on if you changed history but you would find that timeline's version of you living your life which means that from a story perspective unless one of yourself dies there is no way to write a happy ending and even if one of yourself dies it still kind of melancholy.

The logic that by time traveling you would accomplish an action and because that action was accomplished you have no motivation to go back in time in order to accomplish it is both cyclical reasoning and if it were true prevents time travel from being physically possible because whatever action you did after time traveling would be instantly undone by your future lack of motivation to do it.

@Prince of Seraphs

Your almost right but not quite you can't directly manipulate your own past like you said you would lose the motivation once you did so nothing would change but if you created someone or something like in this case a child in the past with the intention of altering it for you once you meet that child you then have motivation to go back and recreate that child so the changes stick.