[OOC] Precipice of War - The Big Leagues of NRP (Only generous tippers need apply)

[Mao Mao]

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@Dinh AaronMk

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[Keyguyperson]

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@The Spectre

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[Brithwyr]

Anyone who wants to interact with Iran on any level, please message me!

[Inkwell]

I have updated my nation sheet.

[Vilageidiotx]

Okay, I turned the 0th page of Character Sheet section into a generalized reference sheet. I'm not necessarily keen on making a generalized character sheet, but I'm trying to keep track of other reference material for the RP. If there is anything you want to add, ask a mod.

[Pepperm1nts]

I want my claim on the map

[Dinh AaronMk]

@Inkwell
You're looking better on your new app, but there's new glaring issues. Particularly in regards to the treatment of the local economy.

Typically speaking for Russia a lot of the industry is focused in the more populated north. Southern Russia, particularly in the mountains is focused primarily on resource extraction in a hand full of minerals (copper, lead, etc) which would have been sent out of the area to where the factories are, western Russia. Even given the Soviet Union in our history they didn't industrially develop the region and Sochi in general isn't and hasn't ever been a strong industrial city and has developed more as a tourism center and for agriculture (Sochi is the only place in Russia that grows tea as I'm aware).

Your app treats the region as being very stable and at a well developed, stable state. But you forget that the area has been at war with itself for seven years and poorer parts of Russia like the south would be poorer still. They'd be incapable of launching large-scale earth work projects like the fort line you said they built to keep a hold on the territory. And they certainly wouldn't have or would have very limited industrial capacity to do it.

Further, conflict in a region or a country often leads to a brain-drain effect. See the middle east in the 20th century or even Syria today when many middle-class professionals opted to escape the country and region at the head of warfare. Being a part of an unstable region does not lead itself to investment opportunities, and CEOs would have abandoned Russia for the more stable west when war broke out. They would have been followed by the scientists as threat of someone's lab being raided by paramilitaries looking for supplies or shit to sell to fund themselves, or just general banditry and looting and heavily weakened services from a lack of finance and a broken economy would leave them unprotected.

You seem to be handling your app more as if it were a well established real country as opposed to an unsettled local-state as would be expected in the post-Apocalypse. Self defense wouldn't come with expensive and industrial fortifications but from shifting alliances. Or in the setting of PoW: foreign aid and interference.

If you want to be a strong industrial nation in PoW, and in PoW's Russia you got to work for that.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Also map updated:

[Dinh AaronMk]

I also checked in with a friend from Russia on the Caucus/Southern Russia region and he came back with, "Farms and Cossack LARPers".

So something to keep in mind, @Inkwell.

[Inkwell]

@Inkwell
You're looking better on your new app, but there's new glaring issues. Particularly in regards to the treatment of the local economy.

Typically speaking for Russia a lot of the industry is focused in the more populated north. Southern Russia, particularly in the mountains is focused primarily on resource extraction in a hand full of minerals (copper, lead, etc) which would have been sent out of the area to where the factories are, western Russia. Even given the Soviet Union in our history they didn't industrially develop the region and Sochi in general isn't and hasn't ever been a strong industrial city and has developed more as a tourism center and for agriculture (Sochi is the only place in Russia that grows tea as I'm aware).

Your app treats the region as being very stable and at a well developed, stable state. But you forget that the area has been at war with itself for seven years and poorer parts of Russia like the south would be poorer still. They'd be incapable of launching large-scale earth work projects like the fort line you said they built to keep a hold on the territory. And they certainly wouldn't have or would have very limited industrial capacity to do it.

Further, conflict in a region or a country often leads to a brain-drain effect. See the middle east in the 20th century or even Syria today when many middle-class professionals opted to escape the country and region at the head of warfare. Being a part of an unstable region does not lead itself to investment opportunities, and CEOs would have abandoned Russia for the more stable west when war broke out. They would have been followed by the scientists as threat of someone's lab being raided by paramilitaries looking for supplies or shit to sell to fund themselves, or just general banditry and looting and heavily weakened services from a lack of finance and a broken economy would leave them unprotected.

You seem to be handling your app more as if it were a well established real country as opposed to an unsettled local-state as would be expected in the post-Apocalypse. Self defense wouldn't come with expensive and industrial fortifications but from shifting alliances. Or in the setting of PoW: foreign aid and interference.

If you want to be a strong industrial nation in PoW, and in PoW's Russia you got to work for that.

@Dinh AaronMk

Totally understand your points. Will change it so that most industry in the country is cottage industry. Maybe one or two repurposed workshops or factories in 1960. Also will make it so the defensive line is just bunkers made from leftover stone from the mines. I may also say there is an unspoken none aggression pact with Georgia as attacking each other would just be to hard in the mountains. As such the countries sometimes share information with each other and in rare cases work together. Maybe one or two of the rebel factions that have the mentality the enemy of my enemy is my friend and are working with my country. Also maybe a few rebel groups are hiding out in the mountains of my country as well as criminals.

Overall I think my country should be able to provide for its own people just about. But I imagine my country is lacking in modern equipment, intellectuals, industrial power and severe lack of potential external trade.

Anything that you don't think I have addressed let me know.

[Letter Bee]

@Inkwell
You're looking better on your new app, but there's new glaring issues. Particularly in regards to the treatment of the local economy.

Typically speaking for Russia a lot of the industry is focused in the more populated north. Southern Russia, particularly in the mountains is focused primarily on resource extraction in a hand full of minerals (copper, lead, etc) which would have been sent out of the area to where the factories are, western Russia. Even given the Soviet Union in our history they didn't industrially develop the region and Sochi in general isn't and hasn't ever been a strong industrial city and has developed more as a tourism center and for agriculture (Sochi is the only place in Russia that grows tea as I'm aware).

Your app treats the region as being very stable and at a well developed, stable state. But you forget that the area has been at war with itself for seven years and poorer parts of Russia like the south would be poorer still. They'd be incapable of launching large-scale earth work projects like the fort line you said they built to keep a hold on the territory. And they certainly wouldn't have or would have very limited industrial capacity to do it.

Further, conflict in a region or a country often leads to a brain-drain effect. See the middle east in the 20th century or even Syria today when many middle-class professionals opted to escape the country and region at the head of warfare. Being a part of an unstable region does not lead itself to investment opportunities, and CEOs would have abandoned Russia for the more stable west when war broke out. They would have been followed by the scientists as threat of someone's lab being raided by paramilitaries looking for supplies or shit to sell to fund themselves, or just general banditry and looting and heavily weakened services from a lack of finance and a broken economy would leave them unprotected.

You seem to be handling your app more as if it were a well established real country as opposed to an unsettled local-state as would be expected in the post-Apocalypse. Self defense wouldn't come with expensive and industrial fortifications but from shifting alliances. Or in the setting of PoW: foreign aid and interference.

If you want to be a strong industrial nation in PoW, and in PoW's Russia you got to work for that.

@Dinh AaronMk

@Inkwell, note though that perhaps you can get Armenian help from @TheEvanCat if you still want to play Southern Russia?

[Inkwell]

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@Inkwell, note though that perhaps you can get Armenian help from @TheEvanCat if you still want to play Southern Russia?

@Letter Bee

That is a possibility but it seems that Armenia would have its own problems and might not be in a position to help. Nor might it be willing with the bad blood from all the Russian imagrants/refugees.

[Letter Bee]

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That is a possibility but it seems that Armenia would have its own problems and might not be in a position to help. Nor might it be willing with the bad blood from all the Russian imagrants/refugees.

@Inkwell

Well, it's going to have a new President who might be willing to help if it creates a 'safe zone' that refugees can return to...

[Pepperm1nts]

I totally get that the official map is divided differently from the one I used, but ew, my territories look shitty on it.

It'll do.. but.. EWWW.

[Keyguyperson]

Also map updated:

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@Dinh AaronMk

>he changed Glorious Nippon's color slightly

Nanking is gonna burn just for that.

I totally get that the official map is divided differently from the one I used, but ew, my territories look shitty on it.

It'll do.. but.. EWWW.

@Pepperm1nts

I mean, Russia right now is basically Border Gore Central.

[Dinh AaronMk]

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Totally understand your points. Will change it so that most industry in the country is cottage industry. Maybe one or two repurposed workshops or factories in 1960. Also will make it so the defensive line is just bunkers made from leftover stone from the mines. I may also say there is an unspoken none aggression pact with Georgia as attacking each other would just be to hard in the mountains. As such the countries sometimes share information with each other and in rare cases work together. Maybe one or two of the rebel factions that have the mentality the enemy of my enemy is my friend and are working with my country. Also maybe a few rebel groups are hiding out in the mountains of my country as well as criminals.

Overall I think my country should be able to provide for its own people just about. But I imagine my country is lacking in modern equipment, intellectuals, industrial power and severe lack of potential external trade.

Anything that you don't think I have addressed let me know.

@Inkwell

And how are you going to get the stones to the mines? Trucks? How are you getting the fuel to run the trucks. From within your borders? Oil's on the other side of Southern Russia and local fuel sources would be heavily fought over as much as mineral mines. From outside? How are you paying? This is a part of Russia that's by and far largely all farms, and who would trade with an economy as gutted as Russia and with a party in the larger conflict without a currency, or whose currency would be so poorly backed and non-established it's basically worthless.

And let's say you can, how are these being managed? You'll need parts to replace on these vehicles, they'll inevitably break down or come on accidents and attrition will slowly break down the logistics between mines and the front. So you'll need replacements, and replacements come from factories. how are the factories being operated? There may not be any electricity, or there'll be a shortage of energy to run them consistently. Cottage industry may not be able to catch up with such industrial demand.

And then you get the stone to the front: you'll need concrete. And assuming Caucasian stone is limestone and not something like granite you won't be able to make concrete to adhere it all together so it holds up to mortars if the enemy has that. And how are you going to grind the stone to a usable powder to make concrete? Heavy grinders are needed for that.

And then we come back to transport: so assume you don't have heavy transport and you're using horse and mule-drawn wagon. That takes time, the same as grinding stone from mines to a usable powder for concrete, assuming it's limestone or a calcium-based rock. And by the time you get one Hoxha Brand (tm) bunker down the enemy has already moved around utilizing the great expanse of the southern Russian steppe to high-mobility advantage.

The best field fortifications would be what man can dig with a shovel on a spot and if or when available timber supports to hold up the earthwork banks.

And onto civilian services: if no fuel whose driving cars? There'd be no ambulances, no power from the power plants. Electricity wouldn't work and phone service would be dead or spotty if there was electrical power. Infrastructure like this is a large national affair and implies a strong economy. The region would be set back to 1860.

Supplying basic needs like food and fire-wood as fuel or even managing livestock would certainly be a service that persists, but it'd likely be rendered in the old peasant world of mutual aid and village-to-village assistance living outside of the political paradigm and just floating with whoever says they're in power. They would throw their lot into a militia organized by your government but that would honestly be the limit, and only so much as they can afford since they're walking out into the fields now to reap their wheat and barley with sickles and baskets to harvest it as they may have been doing for centuries.

Southern Russia would be very much a land of overlap realistically with only firm grasp of prominent cities where the urban population would be severely dependent on the government to keep them from starving or managing what little resources they have to address the handicaps to have some minimal level of life; what can be done to keep them from starving, dying of preventable disease, and some minor police and fire protection. And beyond there they'd be in open competition with everyone else and competing over the villages with the other factions.

As my Russian friend said in his experience with the Southern Russia, think more in terms of Cossack LARPing than trying to be a Russian Republic in miniature. Western Russia might be able to pull it off better because they have the infrastructure, but they also need regions like the Caucus and Siberia to run it, and they're either poorly developed because all that development is in Moscow and Saint Petersburg or these regions are vastly underpopulated.




Another comparison would be: like depth-of-Civil-War-Somalia, but add more slav.

[Dinh AaronMk]

I mean, Russia right now is basically Border Gore Central.

@Keyguyperson

Rape of Osaka 1960. No weebs will survive!

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Rape of Osaka 1960. No weebs will survive!

@Dinh AaronMk

It's not over until you take every last maid cafe in Akihabara!

[Dinh AaronMk]

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It's not over until you take every last maid cafe in Akihabara!

@Keyguyperson

We'll have those maids wearing plastic flowers and vegetables in their hair before America can invent the damn hippy!

[Letter Bee]

@Inkwell, Hmm, question: what interests you about southern Russia, exactly?