Bad Movies Worth Talking About (Hotel Artemis & Bright)

[Fabricant451]

Baby Driver would at least be interesting since that's a good movie whose talking points constantly get boiled down to just "YEAH BUT THE MUSIC SYNCHS UP!". Ready Player One is just a bad movie based on a terrible book directed by a guy whose best work is twenty years ago.

Also the only reason people give any shit about Neil Breen is because they're being 'ironic' since RLM talked about one that one time with Max Landis, the guy that wrote Bright. People want him to be the next Tommy Wiseau because they're all in on the joke even though there's no joke left.

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Will Smith is a good actor.

Will Smith's acting wasnt the issue with the film.

Also the narrative on racism wasnt stereotypical.

@Dynamo Frokane

[Dolerman]

Baby Driver would at least be interesting since that's a good movie whose talking points constantly get boiled down to just "YEAH BUT THE MUSIC SYNCHS UP!". Ready Player One is just a bad movie based on a terrible book directed by a guy whose best work is twenty years ago.

Also the only reason people give any shit about Neil Breen is because they're being 'ironic' since RLM talked about one that one time with Max Landis, the guy that wrote Bright. People want him to be the next Tommy Wiseau because they're all in on the joke even though there's no joke left.

@Fabricant451

Baby Driver is an average movie but it's original. For every good interesting thing it does, it does something bad in an interesting way too.

Ready Player One is better than the book but that's not saying much. Ernest Kline has never made anything good ever.

[Fabricant451]

Will Smith IS a good actor, he just makes bad choices but at this point in his career he can afford to do whatever the fuck.

[Fabricant451]

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Baby Driver is an average movie but it's original. For every good interesting thing it does, it does something bad in an interesting way too.

Ready Player One is better than the book but that's not saying much. Ernest Kline has never made anything good ever.

@Dynamo Frokane

Ernest Kline made me laugh hard with his terrible 'poem' about porn so I'll chalk that up as a good because it's shit.

[skidcrow]

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Hmm see the problem is that everyone who has seen a Neil Breen movie loves them and everyone knows exactly why they love them. There is nothing really controversial to discuss, everyone is on the same page with that series.

I want to do more in-depth discussions on films with themes or elements that most people may or may not have noticed. Or rather choose to ignore.

A good example is that how although absolutely loved by everyone, Ex-Machina is a super super feminist movie and the whole film is about different kinds of feminism reacting to social norms.

But i've commited to talking about bad movies, so I need something divisive. I would have loved to do Wonder Woman or Baby Driver and while those films are massively overrated and poor in many ways, they don't quite reach 'bad' status for this thread.

Fuck it, I'll do Ready Player One.

@Dynamo Frokane

Ah, you're looking for movies that are popular despite how laughable or generally godawful they are. Like the Destiny 2 of movies. After Ready Player One, Skyscraper would probably be a good one, then.

also yeah ex-machina is super feminist but the subject matter is handled in a good way so its not a bad thing dont @ me

[Dolerman]

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Ernest Kline made me laugh hard with his terrible 'poem' about porn so I'll chalk that up as a good because it's shit.

@Fabricant451

And the Tommy Wiseau thing come full circle again, but now with neckbeard books.

[skidcrow]

Also the only reason people give any shit about Neil Breen is because they're being 'ironic' since RLM talked about one that one time with Max Landis, the guy that wrote Bright. People want him to be the next Tommy Wiseau because they're all in on the joke even though there's no joke left.

@Fabricant451

I'd say YMS' reviews added to his popularity, too. I'm not ashamed to admit I'm a total sucker for YMS, but a lot of the movies he reviews get piledived after the joke has ended.

[Fabricant451]

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And the Tommy Wiseau thing come full circle again, but now with neckbeard books.

@Dynamo Frokane

At least Tommy Wiseau seems likable whereas everything Ernest Kline does is somehow even worse than the bottom of the barrel.

[Fabricant451]

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I'd say YMS' reviews added to his popularity, too. I'm not ashamed to admit I'm a total sucker for YMS, but a lot of the movies he reviews get piledived after the joke has ended.

@Mara

I forgot about him but yeah probably that too. But YMS doesn't have the charm of the hack frauds so I went with them.

[Dolerman]

also yeah ex-machina is super feminist but the subject matter is handled in a good way so its not a bad thing dont @ me

@Mara

You must have me confused for this guy here:

M'lady

I'm not your right-wing discord pals, I don't actually think feminism is a bad thing bruh.

[skidcrow]

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You must have me confused for this guy here:

M'lady

I'm not your right-wing discord pals, I don't actually think feminism is a bad thing bruh.

@Dynamo Frokane

I mean idk, you're the mayor of city pop.

[Dolerman]

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I mean idk, you're the mayor of city pop.

@Mara

Citypop is super-neckbeardy Im not even going to defend myself against that claim. But matching up with only 2 things from the starterpack means I'm safe.

[Dolerman]

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I forgot about him but yeah probably that too. But YMS doesn't have the charm of the hack frauds so I went with them.

@Fabricant451

YMS doesn't have any charm at all.

[Fabricant451]

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YMS doesn't have any charm at all.

@Dynamo Frokane

I mean, if you want your film critic to be smug douche that prefers festival films and you're not attending film school then YMS is probably dripping with charm.

You right tho.

[skidcrow]

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Citypop is super-neckbeardy Im not even going to defend myself against that claim. But matching up with only 2 things from the starterpack means I'm safe.

@Dynamo Frokane

Don't worry, you'll always be a neckbeard in my heart.

In all seriousness, my point was referring to the fact that most movies with a feminist """"agenda"""" (at least modern ones) I've seen tend to be absolute garbo. There's good feminist movies out there, too, but for every Ex-Machina there's always gonna be 10 XXs. My trips to the cinema have been rare lately, though, so I'm not claiming to be some movie expert.

[Dolerman]

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Don't worry, you'll always be a neckbeard in my heart.

In all seriousness, my point was referring to the fact that most movies with a feminist """"agenda"""" (at least modern ones) I've seen tend to be absolute garbo. There's good feminist movies out there, too, but for every Ex-Machina there's always gonna be 10 XXs. My trips to the cinema have been rare lately, though, so I'm not claiming to be some movie expert.

@Mara

Feminist 'agenda' is a bit of a misnomer because an agenda can be anything from highlighting sexism, to promoting inclusion. Just going by 'inclusion' then Kill Bill is a feminist movie because it has an emphasis on women with agency and passes the bechdel test. More so than something like Ghostbusters that just changed the orignally male cast into a female one.

The ironic thing is the Ex machina is about feminism but isnt nessecarily promoting it. There are no women in ex machina, just robots created by a man's idea of what a woman is. The ways that the two men perceive women is the films exploration of feminist themes. The story elements are there but the movie lets you come to your own conclusion about the morals.

But dont let me put examples in your mouth, what would you consider a feminist movie?

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feminist """"agenda""""

@Mara

what would you consider a feminist movie?

@Dynamo Frokane

I am also curious about whatever the hell nebulous idea of feminsm you're talking about.

[Fabricant451]

Suffragette

[skidcrow]

But dont let me put examples in your mouth, what would you consider a feminist movie?

@Dynamo Frokane

I honestly don't know anymore. Most of what I see of movies now are brief clips segmented into reviews or unrelated videos as a meme. Movies like Kill Bill aren't really feminist to me, more just female empowerment, which I see as a separate thing to feminism. In my eyes, feminism has always been about rights, because it's easier to change laws than it is to change stubborn people's perception about people with tits. Telling girls they're valid for liking masculine things is no different than telling boys they're valid for liking feminine things, but nobody says that the latter is meninism or whatever the fuck. Never watched Suffragette so I can't comment on that.

I've only been exposed to the whole social justice stuff for a couple years, so my idea of feminism is pretty stunted and a product of being around a bigoted grandad my whole life. I'm too young and dumb to be able to form my own opinions, I just spit out fragments of other people's opinions in a string of words. Speaking of, words are dumb and I can't use them to express my views proper reeeee. Feel free to dissect this hot mess but I'm gonna attempt to sleep cause I didn't expect to get caught in a discussion about feminism at 1am.