[OOC] Nexus Of Worlds Multiverse

[LeeRoy]

If I told you what I was planning, you would avoid her like the pox.

But I can't spoil it, yet.

[ImportantNobody]

Detective Melon is on the case.

[Glitchy]

Ok, so from what I understand. The issue is that Green decided to suddenly eject from his mech and escape from injury in mid-battle. Beta feels that it is cheap move etc… I’ll address what I saw from the fight and characters.

First, I’ll state there is a lot of ambiguity with the nature of Beta’s powers. I had to go through the character’s history to get a sense of what essences and the stuff the character was using. The character sheet gave a lot of details on what the abilities did, but not how it did them. So I’m not going to fault Green if he got confused on what was going on. Anything Beta doesn’t describe in his previous posts doesn’t exist for his character.

That said Green is also at fault for not describing, unless I missed it somewhere, two things about his mecha. That is his mech has a forcefield and sensors so numerous he did not bother describing all of them in his sheet. So the action that should have happened when Ysolda tried to grapple the hellhound was that an invisible barrier should have knocked her back or created an impact strong enough to alert Edmund that something was trying to bust through and latch onto the Hellhound.

The second inconsistency is that there the numerous sensors on the Hellhound. It not well described how the sensors work on the Hellhound, but it’s safe to assume that the “numerous” redundant systems were intended to cover any blind spots in the other “sensors”. That is if you are invisible. The hellhound should still have thermal vision to pinpoint your location. The 360 degree range should mean means there should be no blind spots on the mech where someone can approach without a little red beep alerting Edmund that something is coming towards him.

So there should be no logical reason unless Edmund had stated his mech was malfunctioning or if it was purposely sabotaged by an enemy ability for him not to realize that Ysolda was still alive and trying to latch on to the Hellhound. I saw no attempt by anyone to sabotage the Hellhound’s sensor so I’m going to assume it’s in pristine shape. So, those are two reasons why whatever happened shouldn’t have happened.

Assuming those are fixed, Edmund can still say “oh shit”, abandon the mech, and nuke the place. Those actions are fine. His reasoning, HQ calling him telling to leave, is also fine. It happens in the real world when you are sent off to repair something and get a call back later that the order got canceled. His character “agreeing” to leave despite being a homicidal freak is also fine. His personality states he has a fear of abandonment. I’m sure if it was described more fully in the thread. People would agree Edmund would bail a place if he thought he might be left behind.

Conclusion:
How people described their interactions in this thread with the Hellhound are all wrong based on the Hellhound’s description. Edmund can abandon his mech as it fits his personality for the situation.

There is one point of contention. Whether or not the Hellhound should even be able to receive a transmission from the HQ in a full on battle zone. One could argue the transmission(radio waves/energy particles / etc…) could have been scrambled by aura coming out of Ysolda. But seeing as the fact was never brought up. This is the decision I have reached.

Let me know if I have any of the facts wrong.

[Salroka]

Vordak said
Quit it, swabs.

If i were Green, i wouldn't try what he did there, simply beacause i like my characters to epicly win completely on their own, or die horribly for failing to do so. But as i am just a bystander here, my only argument against that decision is that such a trick is indeed close to metagaming, introducing a third side to the battle, akin to when Khazna made his way out of Leeroy's explosion: something seemingly unacceptable during a fight, yet used twice already in the finale. The battle ensues between a fixed number of characters, and any NPC's are either summoned with an ability, or made zero-tier (unable to affect the battle's flow). But here, a character hastily brought into action actualy becomes a gamechanger, allowing for both murder and escaping. Maybe this isn't a rule yet, but it sure seem's like it should be.

Sure, this is getting old, but we can still prevent such things from happening in the future, rite?

This point was not addressed in any way shape or form.

[Glitchy]

Beta said
This point was not addressed in any way shape or form.

I had a long discussion about that two years ago with Skallagrim. I was more adventurous back then. Hehe. You can make characters and describe the world anyway you wish, but without preps they can be defeated in a similar manner, creating characters to counter their characters or have them instantly drop dead from an unknown disease they picked up a few hours ago, but forgot to mention.

It is bad form to do this when it borders insanity, saying the internal core of a planet suddenly explodes, but in this case, the fact that there is a carrier nearby relaying commands from his HQ to the Hellhound. It is a reasonable move to make and one that can easily be brushed off since you can justifiably disarm the nuclear primer , sabotage/interrupt his escape pod as it launches, or scramble his control systems using your powers. You both haven't really described your powers enough to justify why any of this can't happen. So really leaves how you counter him up to your imagination.

[Schradinger]

Glitchy specifically said that he saw no problem with Green's use of an NPC from outside the battle to instigate his ejection from the mech.

Or is that not the issue you want addressed?

[Salroka]

So what I'm hearing is...

"Beta, shut up. You're new here and we don't like you as much as we like Green. We know him, we don't know you. So stfu."

Glad we sorted that all out.

Ysolda is dead because I have no fucks to give about that planet or fight. I was fucked the instant I was forced to tell everyone about the spell I was using... the one called "Total Annihilation."... because then Green used his friend status to not-metagame some bullshit and simultaneously escape from AND nuke my character after his sensors magically failed to notice that she was right next to him

So yeah. She's dead. Fuck metagamers.

[ASTA]

What thread did this fight even take place in?

[Glitchy]

ASTA said
What thread did this fight even take place in?

Necropolis

[Glitchy]

Beta said
So what I'm hearing is..."Beta, shut up. You're new here and we don't like you as much as we like Green. We know him, we don't know you. So stfu.

"Glad we sorted that all out.Ysolda is dead because I have no fucks to give about that planet or fight. I was fucked the instant I was forced to tell everyone about the spell I was using... the one called "Total Annihilation."... because then Green used his friend status to not-metagame some bullshit and simultaneously escape from AND nuke my character after his sensors magically failed to notice that she was right next to him. So yeah. She's dead. Fuck metagamers.

Well, I was saying you could simply say the Hellhound failed to detonate since Green didn't describe his character that well...(>.>)...

[Salroka]

I COULD do that. But unlike some people, I don't metagame bullshit like that. My character doesn't know about a nuke, can't affect the unknown nuke, and can't stop a nuke from detonating.

I COULD survive it by using the armored leg-plate as a shield, given it is large enough to cover her, and stated by Green to be able to withstand a nuke detonating against it... but I point you to the lack of fucks I have left to give due to being metagamed against.

[Glitchy]

Ok. I missed something. How have you been metagamed at?

[Alphakoka]

Beta said
So what I'm hearing is..."Beta, shut up. You're new here and we don't like you as much as we like Green. We know him, we don't know you. So stfu."Glad we sorted that all out.Ysolda is dead because I have no fucks to give about that planet or fight. I was fucked the instant I was forced to tell everyone about the spell I was using... the one called "Total Annihilation."... because then Green used his friend status to not-metagame some bullshit and simultaneously escape from AND nuke my character after his sensors magically failed to notice that she was right next to himSo yeah. She's dead. Fuck metagamers.

Beta said
I COULD do that. But unlike some people, I don't metagame bullshit like that. My character doesn't know about a nuke, can't affect the unknown nuke, and can't stop a nuke from detonating.I COULD survive it by using the armored leg-plate as a shield, given it is large enough to cover her, and stated by Green to be able to withstand a nuke detonating against it... but I point you to the lack of fucks I have left to give due to being metagamed against.

Glitchy said
Ok. I missed something. How have you been metagamed at?

Green decided to use the "HQ-call-robot-explode" move after Beta described that Ysolda's prepping "magic nuke".

[Salroka]

I was a nice guy and informed people of the spell that I was preparing and the effects it had, as there was a small dispute in regard to my charging AND evading in the same post... plus as a fan of more cinematic combat I didn't mind giving people something to visualize... and immediately after, Green makes a post that says "LOL I'm out. Have fun with this fucking nuke." ... disregarding the immense amount of sensory equipment that thing has, saying he 'lost track of her'... on top of the fact that her aura is stupidly bright and would give her away like hiding a light-bulb behind a sheet of cardboard... something about seeing the light around it and all...

As a whole, it screams the following: "That spell will fuck my shit up and bad. I better figure out a way to gtfo. Oh shit, but if I leave, I lose. Better use something that fucks them over after I leave."

[ASTA]

Normally I'd say Beta is overreacting to this whole 'metagaming' thing, but then I remembered the bitch-fit I threw over Skall turning his nose up at my initial wormhole heresy---and this one time I caused a chain-quit in a thread when I outed the GM as a fraud when he decided to play as the 'Galactic Police' in this one sci-fi NRP I was in.

[LeeRoy]

Good morning

[MelonHead]

LeeRoy said
Good morning

What's good about it? Everything has gone to shit in this thread apparently.

[LeeRoy]

Not for me, just two people. Personally I feel pretty good, all things considered. Especially seeing as how I almost lost a finger, so today is a good morning.

[Green]

The only reason you think it´s metagaming is because you felt the need to state the details of your upcoming attack. I would have done the exact same thing in that kind of situation regardless of Ysolda channeling or not. I quickly discovered how the giant mecha sucks ass against smaller, faster opponents when Erde came over, and I´m still counting myself lucky that he started off in a position that put him in an airborne disadvantage (because of the tail) - If Erde was on the ground, he would have fucked my shit up and LeeRoy knows it. The mecha has a pretty poor design in terms of high-tier ombat prowess, to be honest.

So when Ysolda reached the mecha, my options really only came down to one. Bail the mecha and blow it, continuing the fight with the jet if I had to (removing the speed disadvantage), because there is no way the mecha can harm Ysolda in it´s current position unless it blows up. I made a call. Now, if Beta hadn´t gone out of his way to describe his attack ahead of time, I wouldn´t be having that problem. Was it metagaming? Hell no. I don´t do that.

[LeeRoy]

Yeah, a vein of iron ripped from the ground like crabgrass would be more than enough to trip the giant mecha. And since it's quite top heavy it wouldn't be able to get up fast enough to save itself.