[OOC] Nexus Of Worlds Multiverse

[Vordak]

First of all, jackhammers are very hard to control. Imagine a bullet tip acting in a similar manner, its main vector of force constantly making microscopic changes in direction. This will impede it's penetrative ability, due to energy loss caused by the increased amounts of friction.

And as for swords, read up on blade harmonics to understands why vibroswords (a mace, for example, due to relying on high inertia and applying as much energy transfer as possible, would only benefit from this) suck balls.

IMHO, vibroweapons are much less subtle in application that they seem, more fit for brutal maiming, distruption and rending than clear cuts and neat holes.

[Guru]

LeeRoy said
What the heck are you talking about? Vibration is a repeated pattern of movement and resonance, a jackhammer is the premier example of vibration utilized in a tool. Apply the same concept to a weapon and it would work the exact same way because the only thing it would be used against is flesh.

... armor.

Also, Let's take a hypothetical weapon that emits a high frequency vibration. And No, Jackhammer is not a vibrating tool. It uses a distinct pattern, at a distinct speed to successfully break apart something. This pattern is simply an up and down motion. It is a controlled movement. Vibration is not a controlled movement. If applied to weaponry, could easily break said weapon if applied on some type of axis even. If not, and simply vibrates throughout, the damage to the user could be more so dangerous to the user over an extended period of time than the weapon would be to an opponent. Now, let's go into a strike. A simple strike may cause no more than a dent, perhaps similar to a blunt weapon, because while it may come on with a strong vibrating force, it is rather uncontrollable, and may move on it's own. Now, the only logical attack, would be one that was placed on another object for a longer period of time. Then, although very scattered, it would require a tremendous amount of force to place it and keep it there, not to mention an enemy striking with his own force back at you, and then, even at that point, the amount of force required to keep the vibration on an object would inevitably slow the object's vibration down. Then, do to a weak structure of said weapon, that vibrated all the time, because it could not possibly have a strong structure due to it's vibration, the opponent could easily place the needed pressure and break it. You might get lucky against some smaller blades.. but bigger blades will receive nothing more than momentary damage, before completely breaking your own.

[Guru]

Even still, if it could be applied, as Vordak has said... the only real weapon that it might even begin to benefit is a larger blunt weapon.

[LeeRoy]

Jackhammers are hard to control because they're heavy, weighing in at 12-60 some odd pounds. Whereas a sword weighs in at 3-6 lbs. An example of the exact same concept would be a flex chisel, however you transfer the movement into a vertical format and have the blade vibrate front to back, rather than side to side.

[Vordak]

Still, i insist that minial energy transfer is what allows a sword to cut better. Swords already can apply a cutting motion my themselves, one which isn't constantly alternating in direction as well.

And the "hard-to-control" part was actuly directed at vibro- projectiles, mind you.

[Guru]

LeeRoy said
have the blade vibrate front to back

That is not vibration. Again, distinct controlled movements.

[LeeRoy]

Vibration:
an oscillation of the parts of a fluid or an elastic solid whose equilibrium has been disturbed, or of an electromagnetic wave.

Oscillation:
movement back and forth at a regular speed.

[Guru]

LeeRoy said
Vibration: an of the parts of a fluid or an elastic solid whose equilibrium has been disturbed, or of an electromagnetic wave.Oscillation:movement back and forth at a regular speed.

You would have had better luck saying "Vibration = Oscillation", however it's not true. Perhaps you should read your own definition of Vibration a little more closely. It is because of the object's equilibrium being disturbed, that makes it vibration rather than Oscillation. The patterns of movement are completely different because of that. One is a controlled movement, and the other is not.

[Vordak]

So, i personaly call bull on vibro- cutters and projectiles. Any other weapon? Yes please! Actualy, explosive rounds may benefit from this, as long as they don't come in form of long rod penetrators, as the oscillations may help it embed itself in the flesh, maximizing the damage.

[Guru]

Oscillation is rhythmic process of object to continue it's repeating at certain interval of time, That interval is almost constant or proportionately decreasing. Under stimulated external force with a certain magnitude and direction produce oscillation of object, with continuously decreasing repetition time interval in traveling path.

Vibration is just a random motion of an object within limited path of movement it doesn't show any rhythm or continuous repetition or like that, So, vibration is random motion of object under external forces, in other words, doesn't follow any proportionality.

[LeeRoy]

Vibrations is a blanket term, there are periodical and random vibrations. Vibrations as a blanket term does not simply mean random, vibrations can have patterns.

[Vordak]

Oi! Back to the question!

[Guru]

An inaccurate blanket term. It would be better to describe it as Oscillation Weaponry, but then that just ruins the point. Vibration is what we are looking for... and all that still doesn't dispute the fact that vibration weaponry, particularly light weaponry such as swords, only creating a disadvantage for a user, as I have stated above.

[LeeRoy]

No matter how many time I look it up. Vibration still comes back to me as back and forth movement. And the only way to properly test whether or not a vibrating weapon would have a poor quality or high quality is to actually create a weapon that vibrates. Otherwise we're just discussing theory, and not testing that theory.

[Vordak]

Science fiction is application of theory to fiction. :D

But we do have such applications as liposuction devices and plastics welding. Some real life examples, if you like.

[Guru]

Vibration is a 'would-be' back and forth movement. A WOULD be Oscillation. However, the instable equilibrium and rate of speed creates far different motions. And WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SILLY! THIS IS THE ARENA! IT'S ALL ABOUT THEORY! XD

[Guru]

Anyways.. I'll be back on in a bit. I am going to get some house cleaning done today. :) I started yesterday... but it really needs to be finished.

[Vordak]

Ok Guru, see you later then.

And as i haven't recived an affirmative "NO, BITCH" to all my whining about vibroswords and bullets being bull, i say that we actuly establish those weapons being bull as truth within this particular Multiverse.

[LeeRoy]

Except not at all, because as a concept we can't test it.

[Vordak]

But we do know that oscillations contradict the way swords and most projectiles fuction, and i think that is enough to claim these weapons as incompatible with vibrational enhancment.

At least, this is enough to garner disaproovement of such a concept by already two arena participants, meaning that we should rather organize a judgement on this matter than not.