Fate/Top Brass

[KoL]

Solomon: "I take a 10 minutes walk off the Throne and people are already calling themselves the Father of Magecraft?"

Edit: Either way as soon as we have some CS templates, I can begin working on something. I have half a mind to try to do Gil, since it's very rare to find a RP that allows for him to be used. But, if that's not ok, I can go for another Archer instead. They are a class of really strong Servants by definition. It isn't hard to pick one that like.

[Floch]

My apologies, any Herc is banned.

[Floch]

Alright. After perfect rule lay out with @Cu Chulainn my co GM, Berserk herc is welcome.

[King Cosmos]

My apologies, any Herc is banned.

@Anakin

Well, I'm out of ideas.

[Cu Chulainn]

I'd personally want to avoid Gilgamesh due to past experiences with him, but I'll defer to @Anakin for the ultimate decision.

[KoL]

I'd personally want to avoid Gilgamesh due to past experiences with him, but I'll defer to @Anakin for the ultimate decision.

@Cu Chulainn

Well, I said I can pick something else if really needed to, but since Gil was name dropped as the kind of character this RP is looking for, I couldn't not mention him.

Sincerely, it's kind of bad taste to allow personal opinion get in the way of GMing, especially when it's the kind of opinion that goes like: "I had a bad time playing with someone who used a certain character in the past, therefore everyone who does the same character will be bad as well". Assuming the worst of people just because you had bad experiences in the past is a very rude thing.

[Cu Chulainn]

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Well, I said I can pick something else if really needed to, but since Gil was name dropped as the kind of character this RP is looking for, I couldn't not mention him.

Sincerely, it's kind of bad taste to allow personal opinion get in the way of GMing, especially when it's the kind of opinion that goes like: "I had a bad time playing with someone who used a certain character in the past, therefore everyone who does the same character will be bad as well". Assuming the worst of people just because you had bad experiences in the past is a very rude thing.

@KoL

I suppose I did word that wrong. By personal experience, I really mean I've actually written material involving Gilgamesh in the past, rather than had a bad experience with someone else roleplaying him.

That said, knowing exactly what he is capable of in a roleplay (including his personality in mind), I can't in good conscience allow him in a roleplay with multiple people involved having different stories to be told, and different approaches to those stories.

[KoL]

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I suppose I did word that wrong. By personal experience, I really mean I've actually written material involving Gilgamesh in the past, rather than had a bad experience with someone else roleplaying him.

That said, knowing exactly what he is capable of in a roleplay (including his personality in mind), I can't in good conscience allow him in a roleplay with multiple people involved having different stories to be told, and different approaches to those stories.

@Cu Chulainn

Forgive me, but the GM mentioned that he's looking for characters up to Gilgamesh's power level (not that I'm using him for power explicitly), which naturally includes Gilgamesh himself. You banning overpowered characters in a roleplay about overpowered characters makes the premise of this story very confusing to say the least.

Otherwise, say I pick Arjuna and still get banned because he too is too powerful (being just a sliver weaker than Gil) and so and so forth until we are down to the level of normal Servants again.

This smells kinda like false advertisement for me.

[Cu Chulainn]

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Forgive me, but the GM mentioned that he's looking for characters up to Gilgamesh's power level (not that I'm using him for power explicitly), which naturally includes Gilgamesh himself. You banning overpowered characters in a roleplay about overpowered characters makes the premise of this story very confusing to say the least.

Otherwise, say I pick Arjuna and still get banned because he too is too powerful (being just a sliver weaker than Gil) and so and so forth until we are down to the level of normal Servants again.

This smells kinda like false advertisement for me.

@KoL

I feel like this argument is made in bad taste when talking about Gilgamesh specifically when we are talking about Servants. Most Servants are limited to a certain theme that keeps them balanced with the rest in some way. This compatibility keeps even the strongest Servants around the same balance as weaker Servants since they are limited around a certain theme. Many Servant fights are scored by compatibility, in this case.

Gilgamesh on the other hand is one of those outliers that can easily be abused due to his signature Noble Phantasm breaking that balance by having a Noble Phantasm that essentially breaks the rule of compatibility. Even though Gate of Babylon is stated to not have specific Noble Phantasms within its vault, there's still the fact that it has an answer to essentially everything else, and smarter players can easily play around his restrictions and win a Grail War with ease. In other words, compatibility is essentially thrown right out the door.

This is why Gilgamesh works well in normal written with his personality in mind, but terrible in works where writers aren't cooperating with each other, like in the case of a roleplay. There's also the fact that the main GM mentioned that the power has been scaled down slightly to "Cu-to-Artoria/tier"

[KoL]

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I feel like this argument is made in bad taste when talking about Gilgamesh specifically when we are talking about Servants. Most Servants are limited to a certain theme that keeps them balanced with the rest in some way. This compatibility keeps even the strongest Servants around the same balance as weaker Servants since they are limited around a certain theme. Many Servant fights are scored by compatibility, in this case.

Gilgamesh on the other hand is one of those outliers that can easily be abused due to his signature Noble Phantasm breaking that balance by having a Noble Phantasm that essentially breaks the rule of compatibility. Even though Gate of Babylon is stated to not have specific Noble Phantasms within its vault, there's still the fact that it has an answer to essentially everything else, and smarter players can easily play around his restrictions and win a Grail War with ease. In other words, compatibility is essentially thrown right out the door.

This is why Gilgamesh works well in normal written with his personality in mind, but terrible in works where writers aren't cooperating with each other, like in the case of a roleplay. There's also the fact that the main GM mentioned that the power has been scaled down slightly to "Cu-to-Artoria/tier"

@Cu Chulainn

First, you are judging people's writing before even seeing it. But most important than that, what part of a power level of around Arturia/Cu is considered a level of normally overpowered Servants? They are Top Servants for sure (which is the kind of Servant most people use in any Fate RPs anyway) but that doesn't make them overpowered. In fact, Arturia and Cu are really strong but balanced.

If this is the angle you two are shooting for now, you may as well rewrite the initial pitch of the RP to not give people false hopes.

[Floch]

Upon verdict, Gil is allowed.

Basically, what Cu and me are trying to say: you can have OP characters but please tread carefully.

[KoL]

Upon verdict, Gil is allowed.

Basically, what Cu and me are trying to say: you can have OP characters but please tread carefully.

@Anakin

Oh, thanks.

I suppose that playing nice goes for everything, so it's ok. I'll get everything done when we move to the OOC or get more information like a CS template.

[ItMeGritty]

I'm in.

[Floch]

I'm making the OOC, look forward to that.
I may post a CS within the week.

Too much Corona crap..

[BB]

Big interest!