[OOC] Machines(Mechs, Mecha, and Powered Armor Oh My!)

[ASTA]

Once again, you've ignored the existence of the composite materials incorporated into the chassis of the machine. Even if it was 4,000kg of Aerogel (which it wouldn't be), you're attributing that total weight to a material that is approximately 7.5 times lighter than air. You also don't know how much aerogel has been installed into the mech, so your numerical values seem more akin to arbitrary numbers than actual facts brought forth using concrete calculations. It's folly to assume the vehicle incorporates an ungodly amount of aerogel in its protective covering, since you must also factor in the existence of other types of materials in the general armor system (like the various aluminium metals and alloys).

In short, if you're going to assault the weight of a vehicle, don't go after the lightest material on it.

Also, I'm still waiting on your expert evaluation and unnecessary criticism of the other mechs present in the RP. You also haven't answered my previous question, which asked what you're exactly asshurt over.

Let's hear it.

Now, about your helicopter.

Doing away with the troop transport capability of your aircraft and replacing them with more weapons still constitutes more weight being added to your vehicle. The Apache weighs around five and a half tons, while your piece weighs 12. That's more than twice the weight of an aircraft that possesses a 2.45 to 3 hour long flight endurance capacity. How, exactly, is your helicopter flying for 3 straight hours while lugging around 12 tons of (loaded) weight?

An Abrams is 10 meters long. add in some height to account for that the mechs are standing on legs and it about matches the height of the other mechs abeit that a tank has more space inside of the crew.

I don't see how this is relevant. This just fuels my argument that a 2.6 meter-tall mech weighing 45 tons is perfectly reasonable, and does not warrant whatever it is...you're trying to do here right now. I'm still trying to figure out why a 8.5 foot tall machine complete with wide feet and with a weight crawling up to that of a T-62's is making you froth at the mouth or whatever.

[jman221]

who cares about the science of this, its not real who the hell cares????

[ASTA]

jman221 said
who cares about the science of this, its not real who the hell cares????

Tried going with this approach in the beginning, like when I conceded with the whole 'tank' and 'terrain' thing, or when I basically dropped the whole height/weight thing. I mean, it's a roleplay featuring giant robots (of all things) that takes place on a continent-sized landfill filled with an unusually high amount of wrecked vehicles.

As you can clearly see, that approach bombed.

EDIT: Actually, I'm washing my hands of this pointless debate.

I think my time would be better spent writing my IC post. :3

[jman221]

XD
now i need to finish off my CS...

[TheFake]

ASTA said
Once again, you've ignored the existence of the composite materials incorporated into the chassis of the machine. Even if it was 4,000kg of Aerogel (which it wouldn't be), you're attributing that total weight to a material that is approximately 7.5 times lighter than air. You also don't know aerogel has been installed into the mech, so your numerical values seem more akin to arbitrary numbers than actual facts brought forth using concrete calculations.It's folly to assume the vehicle incorporates an ungodly amount of aerogel in its protective covering, since you must also factor in the existence of other types of materials in the general armor system (like the various aluminium metals and alloys). In short, if you're going to assault the weight of a vehicle, don't go after the lightest material on it.

It's not the weight of the materials, it's the lack of it. Using lighter materials means that you need more of them to reach your 45 tons. using more materials increases the size. Your stats make it seem like you're trying to fit the amount of material of a brick into a teacup.

as far as calculations go, let's use 4000kg of aerogel, that's less than a tenth of your mechs weight.

4000kg of aerogel would fill an olympic sized swimming pool.

You wanted calculations?

Aerogel has a density of of 160g per cubic meter. The formula to find volume using density and mass is Volume = Mass / Density. Let's put the numbers in and see what we get.

Volume = 4000kg / 160 g/m3
Volume = 25000m3

That's a lot of volume. even just 4kg of aerogel would be larger than your mech.

ASTA said Also, I'm still waiting on your expert evaluation and unnecessary criticism of the other mechs present in the RP. You also haven't answered my previous question, which asked what you're exactly asshurt over. Let's hear it.

As far as weight for size, they make sense. They're large enough for the weight to make sense.

ASTA said Now, about your helicopter. Doing away with the troop transport capability of your aircraft and replacing them with more weapons still constitutes more weight being added to your vehicle. The Apache weighs around five and a half tons, while your piece weighs 12. That's more than twice the weight of an aircraft that possesses a 2.45 to 3 hour long flight endurance capacity. How, exactly, is your helicopter flying for 3 straight hours while lugging around 12 tons of (loaded) weight?

I'm not replacing the troop volume with weapons, but the weight. empty the Hind weighs 8.5 tons, carries 2.5 tons of weapons and can carry 4 tons of cargo and fuel. Bump me up to 4 tons of weapons and I could easily have 2.5 tons of batteries. If anything i should have an even long of a flight time.

ASTA said I don't see how this is relevant. This just fuels my argument that a 2.6 meter-tall mech weighing 45 tons is perfectly reasonable, and does not warrant whatever it is...you're trying to do here right now. I'm still trying to figure out why a 8.5 foot tall machine complete with wide feet and with a weight crawling up to that of a T-62's is making you froth at the mouth or whatever.

They're not 8.5 feet tall, they're more along the lines of 8.5 meters. That's three times the size of your mech but weighing the same.

ASTA said
Tried going with this approach in the beginning, like when I conceded with the whole 'tank' and 'terrain' thing, or when I basically dropped the whole height/weight thing. I mean, it's a roleplay featuring giant robots (of all things) that takes place on a continent-sized landfill filled with an unusually high amount of wrecked vehicles.As you can clearly see, that approach bombed.

All I want is to keep some sort of logic to our mech weights and sizes. Yours is the smallest but weighs as much as one twice its size. you have it weigh as much as a MBT and be about the same size but then talk about superlight materials. I don't have a problem with the weight, but with your applying faulty logic to support your arguments.

But sure, let's go over to IC.

[jman221]

Finaly finished my CS have a look XD (its on the front page :P)

[ASTA]

TheFake said
Junk.

Ok.

[TentacleLord]

Accepted

Edit: What was the rifle's caliber?

[Raptorman]

Still have space?

[TentacleLord]

Yes. Yes we do.

[Raptorman]

Are you familiar with the laser drones from Armored Core 3? The small orbs that could be released and that orbitted the mech, attacking hostiles with low end laser weapons?

[TentacleLord]

Yes, I am, but they'd have to be pretty damn weak and deployed en mass to take out a mech(Talking ten to twelve of them),

[REDSHEILD]

Thinking of joining this.

[TentacleLord]

Good, more people!

[Raptorman]

You would not be adverse to them being used?

[TentacleLord]

Not at all. Even if they are weak they are a versatile weapon and can be deployed as such. However, be warned that since I assume they have only rudimentary targeting systems, using them as a primary weapon wouldn't work very well. But, to counter that, using them is quite alright and I'd suggest using them in groups of about fifteen.

[Raptorman]

Cool. I was considering utilizing a mech that was built to actively smash through things and that had a ramming attack

[ASTA]

Wouldn't it depend on how large said drones are as well as the armament (s) they're equipped with?

[TentacleLord]

I'm going off the assumption that they'd be low-end laser weapons on small orbs, perhaps around the size of a man or even smaller.

[jman221]

TentacleLord said
AcceptedEdit: was the rifle's caliber?

uh 100. cal why??