[OOC] Stargate - Alliances

[Lady Seraphina]

Might I suggest a program that reads the text to you.

[Fallenreaper]

Prince of Seraphs said
YES! I finally get to post! Alright!

Nice post.

[GravityFlux]

I swear too god, I make this my goal for the RP, I will bloody do the impossible.
I will troll the LA

[Lady Seraphina]

Hey this is for the GMs.

I was watching Stargate Atlantis, the Last Man. You know the one were Shepard is sent 48,000 into the future. When Carter is finishing the systems of the alternate reality 304, the Phoenix there was something I noticed. They installed an Asgard control interface system that very much resembled the Odyssey's Asgard Knowledge Core. Obviously since the ship was in disarray and the IOA only grudgingly gave it to Carter it was not the original but it seems likely to me that a human recreation of the Knowledge Core might be standard issue aboard 304s to regulate the Asgard based systems. I'm sure it would have neither the data base of the Asgard nor some of the more advanced tech such as time dilation or replication of supplies being only a human made copy but I was wondering if that would be included on the Langford.

What's LA?

[Fallenreaper]

Prince of Seraphs said
What's LA?

Lucian Alliance? Maybe?

[Sundered Echo]

Yes, Lucian Alliance.

I'm gonna let Sep answer any Asgard related questions.

[Sep]

Prince of Seraphs said
Hey this is for the GMs.I was watching Stargate Atlantis, the Last Man. You know the one were Shepard is sent 48,000 into the future. When Carter is finishing the systems of the alternate reality 304, the Phoenix there was something I noticed. They installed an Asgard control interface system that very much resembled the Odyssey's Asgard Knowledge Core. Obviously since the ship was in disarray and the IOA on grudgingly gave it to Carter it was not the original but it seems likely to me that a human recreation of the Knowledge Core might be standard issue aboard 304s to regulate the Asgard based systems. I'm sure it would have neither the data base of the Asgard nor some of the more advanced tech such as time dilation or replication of supplies being only a human made copy but I was wondering if the would be included on the Langford.What's LA?

Not the Knowledge core. It is only on Odyssey as it is basically just history of the Asgard Race. The Asgard Core as in tech core with power source is what ships have. We have had a lot of discussion about it and I feel that the Langford would have some form off Asgard core, however to prevent us going all "Oh lets just use the core for everything" rule and as such I decree that it will be that we will have a core in a specified room with no additional room to access the knowledge database. It will be heavily defended and only the Captain, Mr.IOA and a couple of people with have access to the room without allowing others in.

The core will be built with Human Materials and not with ASgard Core Wank and as such will be slightly slower than that on the Odyssey to access information and to artificially create matter.

Discussion done for future reference. This is how it is.

[Ellri]

That is plain illogical and idiotic. Those are our final words on the matter.

Stripping away one integral component will fracture the rest of it.

This "knowledge core" is something we've never heard of from anyone other than you. The knowledge database of the Asgard is how everything in the core works the way it does.

By the way, the matter converter is basically using the Asgard beaming to assemble stuff from raw energy. We suppose that, since you've slowed that down, you'll also be slowing down the beaming, seeing as its the same emitter tech?

The Asgard core is an "all-or-nothing" object and will remain so until they've managed study it for a long time. Figuring out everything about it would take a lifetime at minimum. You saw that in "Unending". While you'll have to install it all, you do not have to make it all available to whomever. Restricting access to stuff is a military favorite. You know that as well as us.

We're all for having nobody or nearly nobody on the ship able to access the database of Asgard knowledge. That makes sense security-wise. Removing it from the ship will cripple the core, if it is even possible without using decades or even centuries of time to figure out what is safe to remove and what isn't.

Following the situation in Ark of Truth, we'd guess that access to the higher Asgard systems will be even more restricted. That would be both matter converter and database. Probably other things as well.

[Sep]

Ellri said
That is plain illogical and idiotic. Those are our final words on the matter.Stripping away one integral component will fracture the rest of it.This "knowledge core" is something we've never heard of from anyone other than you. The knowledge database of the Asgard is how everything in the core works the way it does.By the way, the matter converter is basically using the Asgard beaming to assemble stuff from raw energy. We suppose that, since you've slowed that down, you'll also be slowing down the beaming, seeing as its the same emitter tech?The Asgard core is an "all-or-nothing" object and will remain so until they've managed study it for a long time. Figuring out everything about it would take a lifetime at minimum. You saw that in "Unending". While you'll have to install it all, you do not have to make it all available to whomever. Restricting access to stuff is a military favorite. You know that as well as us.We're all for having nobody or nearly nobody on the ship able to access the database of Asgard knowledge. That makes sense security-wise. Removing it from the ship will cripple the core, if it is even possible without using decades or even centuries of time to figure out what is safe to remove and what isn't.Following the situation in Ark of Truth, we'd guess that access to the higher Asgard systems will be even more restricted. That would be both matter converter and database. Probably other things as well.

To be fair When I said knowledge core I didn't sort myself out. Also the beaming will be fine as it uses specific buffers. However what will be slowed down will be the searching through all off the data and in turn to construct anything you build with it simply as the Asgard din't teach them how to build a core with Earth Tech they just gave them one of their own cores.

When it comes down to it Ellri, this is the way it is going down. Asgard Core with all the bells and whistles but is slower with security access.

If you don't like it, well. Tough titty. Hell if you really want you can say it is a security precaution to prevent Insta-construction to allow security teams time to catch someone accessing the core without authorization.I'm a lenient point to a degree, but at a certain point I really don't care if everything fits into the perfect world for Ellri or follows Ellri logic to the letter,.

[Ellri]

"Sep" said Asgard Core with all the bells and whistles but is slower with security access.

That sounds good to us.

Now that we're fairly close to being in agreement... Lets bury the discussion and get on with the RP. Any objections? (If you have any, kindly shove them where not even the ascended ancients can find them.)

[Lady Seraphina]

Can nobody hear a word I say? I mention the Asgard Knowledge Core and it's like after those words nobody reads the rest of what I've written. Whatever it was that they built on the Phoenix didn't look exactly like the one installed on the Odyssey but it was similar. It was clearly human made and thus shouldn't have all the bells and whistles of the original. After all Earth can't build Time Dilation tech or a good number of the more complex Asgard systems so deciding how they work shouldn't be a problem because we don't have the ability to create them.

We also wouldn't be able to recreate the Asgard database itself either. We don't have the tech to recreate the storage systems that they used for it and I have to imagine that much like the Ancient database we wouldn't be able to fit very much of it on conventional earth computer storage.

I just wanted to know if there was an Asgard based terminal that regulated the basic Asgard systems that the ship has such as hyper drive, beaming, plasma weapons and the like as well perhaps a few of the cool things from the core that we've managed to decipher.

[Ellri]

The asgard core, while Sep may groan about it, is the tool to create advanced Asgard stuff. It contains all their knowledge, including the schematics and construction manuals for all their technology. They don't need to use earth computers, because the asgard computer that an asgard core is, is far, far better.

Some things can easily be built using the shipboard matter converter. Others would require more complex assembly systems. We would be very surprised if they do not have an Asgard core somewhere in Area 51 or a similarly secure facility that is on Earth. Given time, they would be able to slowly build up an asgard-level assembly facility to build most things. It might take them several years post-Unending to do so, but that they have had. It won't be as easy to construct such a facility underground, but not impossible. The more feasible alternatives to underground are offworld and in space. They can't very well set up an Asgard shipyard anywhere on the surface of the Earth. Anywhere outside Sol would be uncomfortably vulnerable to enemy attack, so that leaves underground or in hidden in space, probably in a Lagrangian point not visible from the Earth, or on the surface of another planetary body in Sol.

There's no reason the Tau'ri can't build Time-dilation Technology. Its more probable that they haven't. Or won't.
Its quite possible that the technology is fairly expensive power-wise. Ideally, a time-dilation field would be optimal for research or construction. or for training. Imagine someone going through years of training in a matter of days or weeks. Using that, they could train personnel rapidly. The real problem with this is that its too powerful. Like the Wormhole drive at the end of SGA.

Another example of too-powerful tools would be using a pool of replicator nanites as a factory. You could simply assemble a pool of them, then throw space rocks in and get refined raw materials out on the other side. Its obvious they understand a lot of the replicator code with how the IOA was able to modify it for the Ark of Truth incident.

The Stargate universe is rife with technology that can be (ab)used in overpowered ways by the right minds. For that matter, it would not be surprising if they've also gained access to certain amounts of Ori technology as a "thank you" for liberating (for lack of a better name) the children of the Ori.

But for the sake of having an enjoyable RP, most of these uses for potentially abusable technologies ought to be ignored.

Sep said the core is complete, but with severely restricted access and some slowness (in part) due to the restrictions. Lets stick with that. Any appearance-wise differences between the various 304s are semantics. Other than the obvious ones like a ventral deployment platform on one ship.

[Sep]

Prince of Seraphs said
Can nobody hear a word I say? I mention the Asgard Knowledge Core and it's like after those words nobody reads the rest of what I've written. Whatever it was that they built on the Phoenix didn't look exactly like the one installed on the Odyssey but it was similar. It was clearly human made and thus shouldn't have all the bells and whistles of the original. After all Earth can't build Time Dilation tech or a good number of the more complex Asgard systems so deciding how they work shouldn't be a problem because we don't have the ability to create them. We also wouldn't be able to recreate the Asgard database itself either. We don't have the tech to recreate the storage systems that they used for it and I have to imagine that much like the Ancient database we wouldn't be able to fit very much of it on conventional earth computer storage.I just wanted to know if there was an Asgard based terminal that regulated the basic Asgard systems that the ship has such as hyper drive, beaming, plasma weapons and the like as well perhaps a few of the cool things from the core that we've managed to decipher.

Basically no little Asgard Control panel. It isn't really necessary when the asgard systems can all be controlled (Minus the core) from either the Core itself, the bridge or the secondary control stations.

[Sundered Echo]

Prince, I'm afraid the idea of Asgard systems has been a sticking point for many of us since even the beginning of the RP this one grew out of.

That's why simply mentioning Asgard Core made such a mess and your original point has taken so long to be addressed....

[Sep]

I will probably kick things along tomorrow.

[GravityFlux]

Sep, can I ask you to wait until I've posted? Got one right here, and getting it in the tube as fast as I can.

[Sep]

You realize Gravity that Blaze would have been at the briefing for the mission, and it is kind of unavoidable.

[GravityFlux]

Sep said
You realize Gravity that Blaze would have been at the briefing for the mission, and it is kind of unavoidable.

Oh, i forgot to mention that in the "Unexciting" part! Lemme add that in again.

[Fallenreaper]

GravityFlux said
Oh, i forgot to mention that in the "Unexciting" part! Lemme add that in again.

Gods help us... XD

[Sundered Echo]

Post is up moving us to Tolia, also bringing Ellri's char back and exiting Cayden Blacks char.