[OOC] The Elder Scrolls: Rising Storm

[Leidenschaft]

scarend said
That's from 'Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves' right? Good film, my favourite Robin Hood film in fact, and the Arabians definitely look like the Redguards. Then again, They're supposed to (As far as I am aware (And I'm pretty sure it is right (I mean it is kind of obvious, but maybe it is just a coincidence (Doubt it though(Obviously))))).

Redguards are based off of Spanish Moors and berbers, with a spritz of Bedouin and the Tuareg, as well as a bit of Japanese flavoring with their sword-singers and whatnot.

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GreivousKhan said
I personally believe the creation of the Redguards was solely to show that Medieval fantasy setting does not have to be completely made up of white races. (Lord of the Rings not even a token ethnic group of the lot of them, almost as bad as the Stormcloaks)Hence why Elder Scrolls is now my fav fantasy setting of all times.

It'll become your favorite Science-Fantasy setting of all time when you learn that Reman and the Aldmer had spaceships and there was a Khajiiti colony on the moons.

[darkwolf687]

Leidenschaft said
Guys...I...I secretly like the High Elves and the Thalmor in a sort of morbid way.

Dun dun duuuuuuun

The plot thickens...

I find them too inept, tbh. I thought they'd be really badass bad guys, but they turned out to just be pompous pricks thinking pointy ears makes them awesome. They go down really easily, they insulted me and I just pulled out my blade and started swinging. Real let down :( ik that its just silly game play issues like with the Dragons, but I started to wonder how anyone lost to them lol

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
Dun dun duuuuuuunThe plot thickens...I find them too inept, tbh. I thought they'd be really badass bad guys, but they turned out to just be pompous pricks thinking pointy ears makes them awesome. They go down really easily, they insulted me and I just pulled out my blade and started swinging. Real let down :( ik that its just silly game play issues like with the Dragons, but I started to wonder how anyone lost to them lol

Technically they have some pretty compelling reasons to believe they are superior to be fair. They created literacy, introduced magic, built the white tower, one of them created alchemy, and live for a thousand years. And that's only half their accomplishments. really the races of man have no business beating them in anything.

But they do....allot.

[ButtsnBalls]

Well, you know, they also want to blast Nirn back beyond stone age...

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GreivousKhan said
Technically they have some pretty compelling reasons to believe they are superior to be fair. They created literacy, introduced magic, built the white tower, one of them created alchemy, and live for a thousand years. And that's only half their accomplishments. really the races of man have no business beating them in anything. But they do....allot.

White-Gold was the Ayleids...although, going back further, it was the Divines. Its also heavily implied that the disappearance of the Moons was one-half eugenics experiment on the Khajiit and one-half, "Don't fuck with us."

[darkwolf687]

I thought they were only descended from Alyeids, who were actually the ones to introduce magic, build white gold tower and pretty much stand above High Eld achievements. The Alyeids got overthrown by their human slaves too xD
Also, really no one has any business in Tamriel because the continent was only originally inhabited by Argonians and Kahjit, everyone else came from else where
And I don't think that's a compelling reason. Its like saying the Greeks are superior to everyone in the world because of ancient Greek achievements, or the Arab are superior for vast medical advancements, or the Chinese for being grand innovators in ancient times. If you like, Italy is superior for its construction achievements during the days of Rome, or the British, French and Spanish superior for bringing 'culture' to the 'savages'.
Certainly the past can be used for merit, but nobody can claim superiority based on it, especially when all races have achieved great prowess in particular fields. Imagine Nords believing themselves superior beca... Oh, wait... They do.

[GreivousKhan]

Leidenschaft said
White-Gold was the Ayleids...although, going back further, it was the Divines. Its also heavily implied that the disappearance of the Moons was one-half eugenics experiment on the Khajiit and one-half, "Don't fuck with us."

The Ayleids are one of the descendants of the Aldmer. Pretty much all elves are descended from the High Elves. If the Mer never went to the Summerset Isles there would be no magic, tower, etc.

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
Also, really no one has any business in Tamriel because the continent was only originally inhabited by Argonians and Kahjit, everyone else came from Elsweyr.

FTFY

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
I thought they were only descended from Alyeids, who were actually the ones to introduce magic, build white gold tower and pretty much stand above High Eld achievements. The Alyeids got overthrown by their human slaves too xDAlso, really no one has any business in Tamriel because the continent was only originally inhabited by Argonians and Kahjit, everyone else came from else whereAnd I don't think that's a compelling reason. Its like saying the Greeks are superior to everyone in the world because of ancient Greek achievements, or the Arab are superior for vast medical advancements, or the Chinese for being grand innovators in ancient times. If you like, Italy is superior for its construction achievements during the days of Rome, or the British, French and Spanish superior for bringing 'culture' to the 'savages'. Certainly the past can be used for merit, but nobody can claim superiority based on it, especially when all races have achieved great prowess in particular fields. Imagine Nords believing themselves superior beca... Oh, wait... They do.

Anyway, their not, but they believe themselves to be and those are some of the reasons. High Elves are nothing if no arrogant after all.

[darkwolf687]

GreivousKhan said
The Ayleids are one of the descendants of the Aldmer. Pretty much all elves are descended from the High Elves. If the Mer never went to the Summerset Isles there would be no magic, tower, etc.

What? That can't be right, the High Elf in Oblivion (Forgot his name) claims that the High Elves descended from the Alyeids and that he has more 'alyeid' blood than most other high elves or something doesn't he? That would only work if the High Elves were descended from the Alyeids, else the High elves wouldn't have 'Alyeid blood', it would be the other way around... That, or someone at Bethesda just wrote that quest and didn't bother go double check things.

[darkwolf687]

GreivousKhan said
FTFY

Haha, I get it, because Elsweyr was derived from else where xD

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
What? That can't be right, the High Elf in Oblivion (Forgot his name) claims that the High Elves descended from the Alyeids and that he has more 'alyeid' blood than most other high elves or something doesn't he? That would only work if the High Elves were descended from the Alyeids, else the High elves wouldn't have 'Alyeid blood'

Strange, you sure he did not say that 'he' was descended from the Alyeid or something? Cause that literally means 'first ones', and the modern day Altmer are the closes mer race to the Aldmer(in appearance, and probably gene, otherwise known as the unaltered descendants). Every other Mer who branched off came from Summerset Isles who came from Aldmeris. Heck their name pretty much says it all. Interesting.

[darkwolf687]

I am not entirely sure, but I think he did say that the High Elves were descended from the Alyieds. I only ever did the quest line once (Think I remembered his name too, Umbacano?) because the sod makes you go on a massive dungeon crawl for some god forsaken ugly alyeid statues before he gives you a string of quests which culminate in him turning into an alyeid lich king and trying to brutally murder you. Such a great reward for my service eh?
When you see the two Alyeid warriors in the thieves guild questline, they basically look like massive High Elves, so I think the Alyied were the ancestors of the high elves and the Alyieds had magic, pretty much built the IC etc. So the high elven claims wouldn't be strictly true
I like how the Orcs are elves, when I first played TES I didn't see that coming until I noticed that only the elves had Mer in their names xD

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
I am not entirely sure, but I think he did say that the High Elves were descended from the Alyieds. I only ever did the quest line once (Think I remembered his name too, Umbacano?) because the sod makes you go on a massive dungeon crawl for some god forsaken ugly alyeid statues before he gives you a string of quests which culminate in him turning into an alyeid lich king and trying to brutally murder you. Such a great reward for my service eh?When you see the two Alyeid warriors in the thieves guild questline, they basically look like massive High Elves, so I think the Alyied were the ancestors of the high elves and the Alyieds had magic, pretty much built the IC etc. So the high elven claims wouldn't be strictly trueI like how the Orcs are elves, when I first played TES I didn't see that coming until I noticed that only the elves had Mer in their names xD

Hmm, I don't know, I reserve judgment on that, cause aside from this half remembered quest dialogue, every other source, from books in the games to wiki, to videos, says otherwise...

Not that I don't trust you. :P

[darkwolf687]

GreivousKhan said
Hmm, I don't know, I reserve judgment on that, cause aside from this half remembered quest dialogue, every other source, from books in the games to wiki, to videos, says otherwise...Not that I don't trust you. :P

xD I am still certain he mentions it as the reason he is able to stick on the crown and become the 'king' of an Ayleid ruin. I will find that damn quote one day, : if only the wiki's selected interesting quotes instead of getting generic dialogue from stormcloak soldiers -.-

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
xD I am still certain he mentions it as the reason he is able to stick on the crown and become the 'king' of an Ayleid ruin. I will find that damn quote one day, : if only the wiki's selected interesting quotes instead of getting generic dialogue from stormcloak soldiers -.-

[darkwolf687]

Note: It does seem that everything points to them all being descended from the Aldmer rather than the Alyieds. Poor background checking by a script writer, or maybe it just reflects the delusions of an Altmer mage who believes the Alyeids should slaughter the humans in revenge and reassert their rightful place (He'd fit right in with the thalmor lol)
Still. I am skeptical it was the Altmer who introduced magic, as the humans fled from Akavir and might have had knowledge from there (Dunno, need to check this). At any rate, it seems the Mer are all offshoots of the Aldmer not the Altmer nor Alyeilds, and the Altmer came into being as they remained in summerset while the ones who went to valenwood became bosmer, cyrodiil became Alyeids and morrowind Dunmer over time, wouldn't it be the Aldmer who introduced magic and not the Altmer as a result, so they would have known it without having headed to summerset?

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GreivousKhan said
The Ayleids are one of the descendants of the Aldmer. Pretty much all elves are descended from the High Elves. If the Mer never went to the Summerset Isles there would be no magic, tower, etc.

mmmm...High Elves = Altmer. Altmer=/=Aldmer, iirc.

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
Note: It does seem that everything points to them all being descended from the Aldmer rather than the Alyieds. Poor background checking by a script writer, or maybe it just reflects the delusions of an Altmer mage who believes the Alyeids should slaughter the humans in revenge and reassert their rightful place (He'd fit right in with the thalmor lol) Still. I am skeptical it was the Altmer who introduced magic, as the humans fled from Akavir and might have had knowledge from there (Dunno, need to check this). At any rate, it seems the Mer are all offshoots of the Aldmer not the Altmer nor Alyeilds, and the Altmer came into being as they remained in summerset while the ones who went to valenwood became bosmer, cyrodiil became Alyeids and morrowind Dunmer over time, wouldn't it be the Aldmer who introduced magic and not the Altmer as a result, so they would have known it without having headed to summerset?

Goes to show you, you can't trust mer mages trying to talk you into doing stuff for them. Damn elves.