[OOC] The Elder Scrolls: Rising Storm

[darkwolf687]

GreivousKhan said
Goes to show you, you can't trust mer mages trying to talk you into doing stuff for them. Damn elves.

Indeed, in the words of Ralof, "The talmor are wit him! Damn elves, I bet they had something to do with zis!"

[ButtsnBalls]

GreivousKhan said
picture of an enraged gamer

The eternal battle between arrows and knees...

[darkwolf687]

gcold said
The eternal battle between arrows and knees...

Indeed, we don't want your stinking marriage euphemisms Bethesda, get it out of my face! XD

[Leidenschaft]

Meanwhile, in High Rock...

[darkwolf687]

Leidenschaft said
Meanwhile, in High Rock...

: Oh High Rock, whatever will we do to fix you up xD

[GreivousKhan]

So on a related topic, how good are the odds y'all think the empire have in beating the dominion without skyrim and hammerfell?

[darkwolf687]

Phase two of my plan involves acquiring assistance from Hammerfell in Naval assets, I mentioned that the Imperial Navy isn't exactly a sparkling beacon xD (After all, the current Empire is bordered by independent factions that, if war was to break out, would likely be attacking across land, so a strong Army is key rather than a strong navy. With the Thalmor its really the other way around, so if the Empire manages to land on Summerset it will stand a fair chance, but the Imperial Navy is inferior to the High Elven navy.) It hinges on whether phase one does work out (If phase one fails phase two would be heavily delayed, if not outright stopped) and then heavily on whether Hammerfell would be willing to help cripple the Thalmor navy. Phase three is where the Imperial legion comes into play and lands on Summerset isle, hopefully with the support of Skyrim, if Phase three is initiated the Thalmor are in check, hopefully soon to be checkmate. Bretons have magical resistance while the Altmer have a weakness to magic, so I should be able to use Breton Battle mages to trade blows with the Thalmor mages while the skilled fast attack Redguard and quick moving Kajhiit dash in from a flank to deal with the Altmers powerful mages (If the Redguards get into one on one melee combat with the Thalmor mages, the skilled redguard should be able to deal with them, especially with khajiit aid) while the Legionairres and the Nords deal with the Thalmor infantry

As you see there are two major problems with this plot. The first is Phase one, which relies heavily on a bit of political maneuvering which could easily fail. The second is that it definitely requires Hammerfell and High Rock navies (Cant land the armies if the Thalmor sink the boats) which could be troublesome to obtain. It could also do with the aid of Skyrim to aid in the land combat. Hammerfell and Skyrim almost certainly trust the Empire as much as one might trust a con man, and High Rock is full of political warring.

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
Phase two of my plan involves acquiring assistance from Hammerfell in Naval assets, I mentioned that the Imperial Navy isn't exactly a sparkling beacon xD (After all, the current Empire is bordered by independent factions that, if war was to break out, would likely be attacking across land, so a strong Army is key rather than a strong navy. With the Thalmor its really the other way around, so if the Empire manages to land on Summerset it will stand a fair chance, but the Imperial Navy is inferior to the High Elven navy.) It hinges on whether phase one does work out (If phase one fails phase two would be heavily delayed) and then heavily on whether Hammerfell would be willing to help cripple the Thalmor navy. Phase three is where the Imperial legion comes into play and lands on Summerset isle, hopefully with the support of Skyrim, if Phase three is initiated the Thalmor are in check, hopefully soon to be checkmate. Bretons have magical resistance while the Altmer have a weakness to magic, so I should be able to use Breton Battle mages to trade blows with the Thalmor mages while the skilled fast attack Redguard and quick moving Kajhiit dash in from a flank to deal with the Altmers powerful mages (If the Redguards get into one on one melee combat with the Thalmor mages, the skilled redguard should be able to deal with them, especially with khajiit aid) while the Legionairres and the Nords deal with the Thalmor infantryAs you see there are two major problems with this plot. The first is Phase one, which relies heavily on a bit of political maneuvering which could easily fail. The second is that it definitely requires Hammerfell and High Rock navies (Cant land the armies if the Thalmor sink the boats) which could be troublesome to obtain. It could also do with the aid of Skyrim to aid in the land combat. Hammerfell and Skyrim almost certainly distrust the Empure, and High Rock is fully of political warring.

In summary, the Empire needs just a few miracles. :p

I mean even with the first two phases, an invasion of Summer set is no small challenge. Close to a herculean effort when I think about it, since it took the Brass God(Numundium) to invade Summerset the one and only time anyone has ever succeeded in the task.

[darkwolf687]

GreivousKhan said
In summary, the Empire needs just a few miracles. :p I mean even with the first two phases, an invasion of Summer set is no small challenge. Close to a herculean effort when I think about it, since it took the Brass God(Numundium) to invade Summerset the one and only time anyone has ever succeeded in the task.

I think it can be managed, the Thalmor appear to be facing a rapid decline, if Phase one plays out they would be close to collapse, and as you pointed out the elves live a thousand years, I am sure some are against the Thalmor and even those which aren't may be having doubts about the strength of their leaders. Such a rapid decline would certainly impact morale. I don't think it needs miracles so much as it need to get the other races to think ending the Thalmor would be useful. Once the Dominion is pushed back to Summerset and their navy lies in tatters, the elves might well be demoralised. It will require time, but if the other races gain a foothold and keep it held, maybe they can coerce the Thalmor into a surrender. If not, we take their key positions and leave them for dead

If it took the Numundium the first time, lets go one higher and beat them without it the second time. The Thalmor are tough, but from everything we've seen they aren't invincible. A united army of Redguards, Nords, Bretons, Khajiit, Bosmer and Imperials should hopefully be enough to topple the Thalmor, if not we'll ask the Dark Elves too, they are powerful mages.

[Jangel13]

except my bosmer are pacifists we don't like to go to open war for the obvious reasons under our green pact, we will defend our forests to the very death but open conflict is generally avoided

[GreivousKhan]

darkwolf687 said
I think it can be managed, the Thalmor appear to be facing a rapid decline, if Phase one plays out they would be close to collapse, and as you pointed out the elves live a thousand years, I am sure some are against the Thalmor and even those which aren't may be having doubts about the strength of their leaders. Such a rapid decline would certainly impact morale. I don't think it needs miracles so much as it need to get the other races to think ending the Thalmor would be useful. Once the Dominion is pushed back to Summerset and their navy lies in tatters, the elves might well be demoralised. It will require time, but if the other races gain a foothold and keep it held, maybe they can coerce the Thalmor into a surrender. If not, we take their key positions and leave them for deadIf it took the Numundium the first time, lets go one higher and beat them without it the second time. The Thalmor are tough, but from everything we've seen they aren't invincible. A united army of the races of the Redguards, Nords, Bretons, Khajiit, Bosmer and Imperials should hopefully be enough to topple the Thalmor, if not we'll ask the Dark Elves too, they are powerful mages.

Meh, seems all disappointing, the Aldmeri Dominion seem beat before the Rp even starts, I mean we're literally just calling them Thalmor now, that;'s how bad it is. let's hope the Akaviri Alliance is more interesting, else this will be one disappointing RP. :K

The Akaviri Alliance seem like it will need all of Tamriel to fight, and it does not seem like that is far form happening as it stands. Can you imagine if everyone just sided with on faction in ESO. :P

[darkwolf687]

Jangel13 said
except my bosmer are pacifists we don't like to go to open war for the obvious reasons under our green pact, we will defend our forests to the very death but open conflict is generally avoided

Indeed, but they also seem interested in coin, no? The Thalmor aren't exactly going to be happy with Valenwood trading with Morrowind, let alone Elsweyr. I might not be able to convince them to go to war against the Thalmor on Summerset, but hopefully I can convince them to try and kick the Thalmor out of Valenwood. Phase one is the most vital because if the Wood elves kick the Thalmor out and become independent, then the Thalmor is dealt a demoralising and humiliating blow, as well as forcing them back tactically so the forces can be focussed on invading Summerset and wont be worn from fighting in Valenwood
Well, it doesn't help that the Aldmeri Dominion got turned into a punching bag. Elsweyr drove them out, Skyrim killed their Justicars and as a result of the shift of the throne in cyrodiil the Empire has practically been fighting a secret war (Supplying Elsweyr rebels, not obeying the White Gold Concordat, etc.) They are hard to take seriously when they are getting shoved around. Guess people don't like obeying Elven Supremacists, I wonder why :

[GreivousKhan]

Jangel13 said
except my bosmer are pacifists we don't like to go to open war for the obvious reasons under our green pact, we will defend our forests to the very death but open conflict is generally avoided

So is Valenwood no longer part of the Dominion?

[Jangel13]

no read my cs we are traders so we have trade with the high elves, but we are allies with elswyer. tension between us and the high elves are strained and anything could tip the balance. we do whatever we can to avoid conflict so we use the money we earn from trading to get our allies of elwyer and morrowind to have powerful friends so we wouldn't have to worry about a open war

[Leidenschaft]

darkwolf687 said
Phase two of my plan involves acquiring assistance from Hammerfell in Naval assets, I mentioned that the Imperial Navy isn't exactly a sparkling beacon xD (After all, the current Empire is bordered by independent factions that, if war was to break out, would likely be attacking across land, so a strong Army is key rather than a strong navy. With the Thalmor its really the other way around, so if the Empire manages to land on Summerset it will stand a fair chance, but the Imperial Navy is inferior to the High Elven navy.) It hinges on whether phase one does work out (If phase one fails phase two would be heavily delayed, if not outright stopped) and then heavily on whether Hammerfell would be willing to help cripple the Thalmor navy. Phase three is where the Imperial legion comes into play and lands on Summerset isle, hopefully with the support of Skyrim, if Phase three is initiated the Thalmor are in check, hopefully soon to be checkmate. Bretons have magical resistance while the Altmer have a weakness to magic, so I should be able to use Breton Battle mages to trade blows with the Thalmor mages while the skilled fast attack Redguard and quick moving Kajhiit dash in from a flank to deal with the Altmers powerful mages (If the Redguards get into one on one melee combat with the Thalmor mages, the skilled redguard should be able to deal with them, especially with khajiit aid) while the Legionairres and the Nords deal with the Thalmor infantryAs you see there are two major problems with this plot. The first is Phase one, which relies heavily on a bit of political maneuvering which could easily fail. The second is that it definitely requires Hammerfell and High Rock navies (Cant land the armies if the Thalmor sink the boats) which could be troublesome to obtain. It could also do with the aid of Skyrim to aid in the land combat. Hammerfell and Skyrim almost certainly trust the Empire as much as one might trust a con man, and High Rock is full of political warring.

Not to mention that High Rock's arguably best battlemages are concentrated in Camlorn. Prince Narcisse Vincens is not too fond of the lack of Imperial help in securing his borders' independence from the others, and is an avid secessionist from Imperial rule.

You may yet have your ships though, as Daggerfall and Northpoint could be talked into using their navies. Good luck getting them to work together though, as anyone who's anyone on the political scene in High Rock knows that the king of Daggerfall is not to be trifled with, and all have a general distrust of him because of the power he wields both in court, at sea and on the battlefield.

This all reminds me, I need to get the Culture section finished on my NS.

[Leidenschaft]

Jangel13 said
no read my cs we are traders so we have trade with the high elves, but we are allies with elswyer. tension between us and the high elves are strained and anything could tip the balance. we do whatever we can to avoid conflict so we use the money we earn from trading to get our allies of elwyer and morrowind to have powerful friends so we wouldn't have to worry about a open war

I wouldn't think the Thalmor are too happy about their money going to their enemies. How are those political purges going for you?

[GreivousKhan]

Jangel13 said
no read my cs we are traders so we have trade with the high elves, but we are allies with elswyer. tension between us and the high elves are strained and anything could tip the balance. we do whatever we can to avoid conflict so we use the money we earn from trading to get our allies of elwyer and morrowind to have powerful friends so we wouldn't have to worry about a open war

Ya, that's kind of what I was asking, why are relations strained? o.o

Mibbit: The green pact would seem to make Valenwood a poor province for becoming a mercantile nation, can't trade grains or foodstuffs, they live need all their cattle and live stalk, lumber is out of the question, and Skyrim arguably has better furs.

[Hyperdrive]

darkwolf687 said
I think it can be managed, the Thalmor appear to be facing a rapid decline, if Phase one plays out they would be close to collapse, and as you pointed out the elves live a thousand years, I am sure some are against the Thalmor and even those which aren't may be having doubts about the strength of their leaders. Such a rapid decline would certainly impact morale. I don't think it needs miracles so much as it need to get the other races to think ending the Thalmor would be useful. Once the Dominion is pushed back to Summerset and their navy lies in tatters, the elves might well be demoralised. It will require time, but if the other races gain a foothold and keep it held, maybe they can coerce the Thalmor into a surrender. If not, we take their key positions and leave them for deadIf it took the Numundium the first time, lets go one higher and beat them without it the second time. The Thalmor are tough, but from everything we've seen they aren't invincible. A united army of Redguards, Nords, Bretons, Khajiit, Bosmer and Imperials should hopefully be enough to topple the Thalmor, if not we'll ask the Dark Elves too, they are powerful mages.

I doubt the Dark Elves would take sides on the current conflicts, since they are currently rebuilding under the Nerevarine's rule. Also, the Empire left Morrowind to fend for itself during the Oblivion Crisis, so if they'd seek their support, it would most likely be turned down. An agreement can be settled between the two factions to ease their relations. I can't say the agreement wouldn't be one sided though.

[darkwolf687]

Heh, maybe the Thalmor don't respect the forest xD

[Jangel13]

after the dominion fell we were alone but eve as the kajit attacked us we were able to keep peace with them through the moon dust trade. we were abandoned by those douche bags its because were trading with everyone that relations are strained and their accusations of having the kajit and dark elves in our pockets that we are on a tense note.