[OOC] Naruto: Birth of a Better Generation

[Tuujaimaa]

Yaaaaay Durn <3

[Krieg]

I feel crippled.

[Tatsua Aiisen]

Krieg said
I feel crippled.

I know that feel.

[Prince]

Tuuj, the only characters to ever show exemption to fatigue to carrying a large weapon were Zabuza and Kisame, one of which could literally fuse with his sword. Suigetsu even grew exhausted from carrying the Executioner's Blade. Although at the moment I don't see a problem, Shira will have to show IC exhaustion from using the blade. She's also quite young - I know grown men that can't hold a Halberd correctly (funny story, but I digress). World of Naruto gets to bend those rules, but don't be too unrealistic. She will grow exhausted very quickly during combat and there is no way I'm going to allow her to be a swift sword master at this level. Her slashes will be crude, her style imbalanced and her follow-through uncontrolled. That sword literally has nearly ten times as much as a katana, assuming it weighs the standard 1.5-2lb. I know personally that 15lb weight vest alone can make menial exercise exhausting.

[Tuujaimaa]

Uh. She's used to carrying it. That's literally it. She isn't skilled with using it as a weapon at all.

[Durnehviir]

I'm guessing Omoi doesn't count?

I've actually worn a 15 lb body vest and a 7 lb rifle and could walk for hours (had too). Its all about conditioning. Its not as absurd as you are making it out to be.

I agree you shouldn't be a master swordsmen, but saying "Zabuza and Kisame could do it so you can't" Doesn't even...

[KiltmanBagz]

I wonder, for team sun, if this is a case of post chicken, been darined by my new part-time, so finding the right spark for this game has a little difficult.

Or perhaps it is entirely my fault, I was the first to react to our Jounin Instructor, did I unknowingly set myself first in our squads posting order? Regardless, I'll try to get something up tonight, or by tomorrow if I can't find the right words.

[Prince]

Executioner's Blade, Shira's Blade and Samehada are all in hugely different weight classes than what Omoi used.

"But saying Zabuza and Kisame could do it so you can't" isn't even an applicable use of my statement. With conditioning, carrying around 2-15lb is realistic. U.S. soldiers are conditioned to carry around 40lb. extra on their backs, in addition to their own 22lb gear, and that's generally standard, at least for the Marine Corp. My statement was to contrast those who could do it in the show to Shira. One was a Jounin-level Missing-Nin and member of the Seven Swordsman of the Mist while the other was an S-Rank ninja known as the No-tailed beast. Aside from them, no one else carried a 25-75lb blade (if not more, swords are heavy) with no exhaustion whatsoever. I feel like you should really read into what I say more than you do; it's a common occurrence that you don't take from my statements what I mean to commune.

[Durnehviir]

It was completely applicable.
Either you were using them in contrast to the character or was irrevelantly bringing them up. Either way the information was pointless. No one in the show is like our characters. Our characters can be trained, practiced and learned in a way that we are conditioned with our weapons.

My character doesn't need to be anything like Kisame or Suigetsu to know how to use their own weapon, whichwhich they grew up with nor should any of the other characters expected to either. Bringing up Kisame and other canon characters was absolutely pointless. No one was interested in why Suigetsu was exhausted using a large weapon. Did anyone say Suigetsu and Shira have the same constitution? Anyone mention they have the same level of training? Anyone bring up that they have been using large weapons the same period of time?

Another thing about US soliders is they can become conditioned with their armor and weaponry in months. This compared to a ninja that has been training for years. Again. Conditioning. Conditioning, not random canon references, determines how a character uses their weapon.

If you don't want others to misinterperte what you say then

[Tatsua Aiisen]

KiltmanBagz said
I wonder, for team sun, if this is a case of post chicken, been darined by my new part-time, so finding the right spark for this game has a little difficult. Or perhaps it is entirely my fault, I was the first to react to our Jounin Instructor, did I unknowingly set myself first in our squads posting order? Regardless, I'll try to get something up tonight, or by tomorrow if I can't find the right words.

Pay attention to the OOC.

[Durnehviir]

"then be more concise and specific"
Phone is being a dirty bastard.

Also, what's "post chicken"

[Prince]

Another thing about US soliders is they can become conditioned with their armor and weaponry in months. This compared to a ninja that has been training for years. Again. Conditioning. Conditioning, not random canon references, determines how a character uses their weapon.

Find me a conditioning exercise that allows one to carry a giant, dis-proportioned sword that physically could not even be swung, then we'll talk. Weight distribution alone changes the method behind this, if we want to start comparing the Narutoverse to real life. Actually, let's go just a little bit deeper. There's not a single real life reference anywhere regarding a man randomly carrying around a piece of metal weighing anywhere ranging between 25-75lb, and that's lowballing it. Who knows how heavy the Samehada was, who knows how heavy the Executioner's Blade was and thus far I don't see a specific weight on Shira's sword, so I just assume it's about 60% of the Executioner's Blade based on a single image reference.

My character doesn't need to be anything like Kisame or Suigetsu to know how to use their own weapon, whichwhich they grew up with nor should any of the other characters expected to either. Bringing up Kisame and other canon characters was absolutely pointless. No one was interested in why Suigetsu was exhausted using a large weapon. Did anyone say Suigetsu and Shira have the same constitution? Anyone mention they have the same level of training? Anyone bring up that they have been using large weapons the same period of time?

We're literally dwelling in a realm of complete impossibility. I present my logic with every case by comparing 'anchors' that we know of. Suigetsu, 16-17, apparent history and experience with swords, wields the most logical blade to use for comparison. The information I presented was not pointless. However, if you want, I will write you a novel every single time I post so that you can comprehend what I'm typing.

[Durnehviir]

You know what Prince? You are right.

[Tuujaimaa]

Let's not fight. :(

We can all agree that it's heavy and learning to use it as a weapon will be harrowing. c:

[Salroka]

Hey Durn. Hey Tuuj.

Guess What

[Tuujaimaa]

I'd like to point out also that characters in the Narutoverse tend to be very young - Shira is older than some of the Jounin were at this point (though she is not as skilled and I am not intending to imply or state that) so she has had more time to condition herself to the weight of the blade. While she's become very accustomed to bearing the weight of the sword, she's almost completely foreign to actually swinging it in such a fashion that it could be considered a weapon. I intend fully for her to struggle learning to use it as a weapon rather than a symbol of heritage.

So while I intend to show exhaustion as she uses the blade as a weapon, she will not be fatigued from carrying it around. That is a burden she got used to a very long time ago. I assume that's okay, Prince? If not, I guess I'll have to change stuff around.

[Masaki Haruna]

Long time no see, fellow humans.

[Prince]

Let's consider the average person can walk 48-52 miles on a day. That's based on walking 12 hours at 4mph, which isn't absurd and allows for rest and breaks. Now, let's remember that these Shinobi travel at absurd speeds for absurd amounts of time, so I believe Shinobi should be able to travel roughly 15 mph without exhaustion, 'cause in the anime they just seem to run for fucking hours through tree canopies. That equates to---this time I may have overthought this.

The concept I'm trying to commune is simple. She can walk around all she wants with it, but let's say a Shinobi of equal skill level is getting exhausted, she'd probably be even more so, in terms of something as simple as running. Oh? Is that a mountain? Sucks to be you, Shira. Holy fuck, swampland. Don't sink, Shira. Why the fuck is it snowing? Sucks to be you, Shira.

Get it? Terrain and distance running is gonna suuuuuck for Shira.

[Salroka]

My reaction to...

the IC shenanigans

[Prince]

KittmanBagz and Masaki have both seemed to make a re-emergence, so I have placed them onto Team Sun, which finishes the teams as I'm going to continue with each Chuunin only having one genin. Teams should be finished. I would highly suggest/recommend Team Sun follow the example set by Team Moon and jump into collabing after the initial scene.