Barrack Assassinated by Ronald's Ray-Gun!!!

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

[Agent B52]

Impression so far:
2:26 Nothing but Waaah! Socialism bad!
3:00 Experiment finally.
4:46 ... What? This is it? It just goes straight for absolute communism? Nothing about basic social safety nets?

This propaganda piece just skips over the fact that not having people starve and/or die due to preventable causes in the streets is a Good Thing.

Look this movie is a great example why communism does not work, but kind of forgets that 'socialism' is more than that. Nor is communism a thing that the democrats actually want. I'll admit I do like the quality of production.

Less 'assassination', more 'fart in the general direction'.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Agent B52 said
Impression so far:2:26 Nothing but Waaah! Socialism bad!3:00 Experiment finally.4:46 ... What? This is it? It just goes straight for absolute communism? Nothing about basic social safety nets?This propaganda piece just skips over the fact that not having people starve and/or die due to preventable causes in the streets is a Good Thing.Look this movie is a great example why communism does not work, but kind of forgets that 'socialism' is more than that. Nor is communism a thing that the democrats actually want. I'll admit I do like the quality of production.Less 'assassination', more 'fart in the general direction'.

Ah. :D
Yeah I can understand why you'd say that, but thing is, Obama is the most communistic leaning President we seem to have ever had.

[Agent B52]

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Ah. :D Yeah I can understand why you'd say that, but thing is, Obama is the most communistic leaning President we seem to have ever had.

Bolded the key word there. I have yet to see any US president get such a massive wave of hate tossed at him, be he republican or democrat. All in all he is not that bad.

Just taking stock of a few of his actual actions:
Vodka Drone missiles for everybody: As this involves giving free stuff away on the government dole, it kind of fits the definition of communism? Then again I find it hard to ascribe this one entirely to the US president, it is the tech that's finally matured enough these days.
Pulling out of Iraq: No comment, this was simply a pragmatic thing to do. He promised to get the US army outta there and he did so upon election.
The Nobel Prize: When the motivation for receiving a nobel prize is essentially 'THANK FUCK YOU ARE NOT THE OTHER GUY' it does kind of raise a few questions on the foreign policy that Other Guy endorsed.
Of course the Big Thing here, even referenced in the video itself, is Obamacare. Oddly enough inspired by plans drawn up by the Heritage Foundation, that grand liberal bastion of liberal thinking (THIS IS SARCASM: The Heritage Foundation is on occasion cited as the granddaddy of all right wing think tanks, it's not liberal at all). A badly, badly needed system overhaul that saves lives and money. Communist leaning? Certainly. Any practical fix was going to be to the left of the previous 'better hope you can afford insurance' scheme. It is not single payer but you gotta take what you can get.

Sauces
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/heritage_vs_obamacare.html

Now I gotta go and do other stuff so I can't continue this debate right now. Be back tomorrow.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Agent B52 said
Bolded the key word there. I have yet to see any US president get such a massive wave of hate tossed at him, be he republican or democrat. All in all he is not that bad.Just taking stock of a few of his actual actions: Drone missiles for everybody: As this involves giving free stuff away on the government dole, it kind of fits the definition of communism? Then again I find it hard to ascribe this one entirely to the US president, it is the tech that's finally matured enough these days. Pulling out of Iraq: No comment, this was simply a pragmatic thing to do. He promised to get the US army outta there and he did so upon election. The Nobel Prize: When the motivation for receiving a nobel prize is essentially 'THANK FUCK YOU ARE NOT THE OTHER GUY' it does kind of raise a few questions on the foreign policy that Other Guy endorsed.Of course the Big Thing here, even referenced in the video itself, is Obamacare. Oddly enough inspired by plans drawn up by the Heritage Foundation, that grand liberal bastion of liberal thinking (THIS IS SARCASM: The Heritage Foundation is on occasion cited as the granddaddy of all right wing think tanks, it's not liberal at all). A badly, badly needed system overhaul that saves lives and money. Communist leaning? Certainly. Any practical fix was going to be to the left of the previous 'better hope you can afford insurance' scheme. It is not single payer but you gotta take what you can get.Sauceshttp://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/heritage_vs_obamacare.htmlNow I gotta go and do other stuff so I can't continue this debate right now. Be back tomorrow.

Eh, we can agree to disagree.

[Agent B52]

But debating is fun! Plus I want to understand your world view.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Agent B52 said
But debating is fun! Plus I want to understand your world view.

[So Boerd]

Heritage drew up Obamacare as an alternative to Hillary care.

Let's say I put a gun to your head and say "Punch on old lady!"

You say "Uhhh, can I just insult one?"

Then you turn around 10 years later and say I endorse insulting old ladies. Taking a lesser evil is not endorsing itn

[Agent B52]

ActRaiserTheReturned said
*snip Kefka*

Doesn't change much other than that I now also wish to set you on fire before you can set the world on fire.

So Boerd said
Heritage drew up Obamacare as an alternative to Hillary care.
Let's say I put a gun to your head and say "Punch on old lady!"
You say "Uhhh, can I just insult one?"
Then you turn around 10 years later and say I endorse insulting old ladies.

Didn't you start out by endorsing shooting a guy and punching an old lady?

[So Boerd]

That's what I get for writing up an argument at 1 in the morning.

I, ten years later, accuse you.

[Foster]

Agent B52 said
Doesn't change much other than that I now also wish to set you on fire before you can set the world on fire.Didn't you start out by endorsing shooting a guy and punching an old lady?

...

China informs me that it may actually work.

[Agent B52]

Foster said
China informs me that it may actually work.

What would 'it' be in this case?

[Juice]

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Obama is the most communistic leaning President we seem to have ever had.

Really? Even with all of FDR's social policies?

Nay, what Obama will be known for is being the leader of the administration that has silenced, or attempted to silence, the most whistle blowers.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

Juice said
Really? Even with all of FDR's social policies?Nay, what Obama will be known for is being the leader of the administration that has silenced, or attempted to silence, the most whistle blowers.

Touche'
I have been rapier'd, and have lost my sword play virginity

[Agent B52]

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Touche'
I have been rapier'd, and have lost my sword play virginity