[OOC] Myriad Reality

[Extra]

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No.

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Probably as a joke.

@Etcetera

Yeah.

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Merg.

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acully iz jurkab.

@Multifarious

Nu.

[Multifarious]

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Yeah.

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Nu.

@Extra

Ye

[whizzball1]

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Because they would totally know. Regardless, nobody likes proof. They're just so much writing.

@Etcetera

Well this one was more of a "take the information we know is true, do maths to it, and arrive at the equation we want to prove."

[Etcetera]

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Yeah.

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Nu.

@Extra

It's too bad you can't use that anymore.

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Well this one was more of a "take the information we know is true, do maths to it, and arrive at the equation we want to prove."

@whizzball1

There's a very specific formula in school.

[Extra]

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Ye

@Multifarious

Nuuuuu

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It's too bad you can't use that anymore.

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There's a very specific formula in school.

@Etcetera

Yeah.

[Etcetera]

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Nuuuuu

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Yeah.

@Extra

Out of words.

[Extra]

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Out of words.

@Etcetera

yee

[Multifarious]

I am overly excited about Halo 5. I'm analyzing the trailers over and over and the more I notice, the more excited I get.

[whizzball1]

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It's too bad you can't use that anymore.

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There's a very specific formula in school.

@Etcetera

That's silly. Proofs are supposed to be creative, not follow a predefined path.

[Extra]

Bloodborne = Enraging Amazingness.

[Etcetera]

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That's silly. Proofs are supposed to be creative, not follow a predefined path.

@whizzball1

Not according to math society. Creativity has no place in it.

Bloodborne = Enraging Amazingness.

@Extra

Ew, console.

[whizzball1]

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Not according to math society. Creativity has no place in it.

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Ew, console.

@Etcetera

According to my maths book, most of what comes after calculus is all about creativity, and not rigorous standards. It says that the greatest proofs were most creative, and many maths concepts came from people bucking the predefined trend and making stuff up. Then again, the person who made up the irrational (notice, they're called irrational) numbers was killed by the Pythagoreans for figuring it out, and the imaginary numbers were, well, called imaginary even after they were accepted.

*high five*

[Etcetera]

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According to my maths book, most of what comes after calculus is all about creativity, and not rigorous standards. It says that the greatest proofs were most creative, and many maths concepts came from people bucking the predefined trend and making stuff up. Then again, the person who made up the irrational (notice, they're called irrational) numbers was killed by the Pythagoreans for figuring it out, and the imaginary numbers were, well, called imaginary even after they were accepted.

*high five*

@whizzball1

To your second example, it's because said numbers don't exist.

[whizzball1]

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To your second example, it's because said numbers don't exist.

@Etcetera

"Many other mathematicians were slow to adopt the use of imaginary numbers, including René Descartes, who wrote about them in his La Géométrie, where the term imaginary was used and meant to be derogatory."

They don't exist in real life, but in the realm of mathematics, they exist just as much as anything infinite or negative or irrational does. Negative numbers don't exist in real life. You can't have less than nothing. You can't have an irrational number of anything.

[Etcetera]

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"Many other mathematicians were slow to adopt the use of imaginary numbers, including René Descartes, who wrote about them in his La Géométrie, where the term imaginary was used and meant to be derogatory."

They don't exist in real life, but in the realm of mathematics, they exist just as much as anything infinite or negative or irrational does. Negative numbers don't exist in real life. You can't have less than nothing. You can't have an irrational number of anything.

@whizzball1

I actually have to disagree with you, there.

[whizzball1]

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"Many other mathematicians were slow to adopt the use of imaginary numbers, including René Descartes, who wrote about them in his La Géométrie, where the term imaginary was used and meant to be derogatory."

They don't exist in real life, but in the realm of mathematics, they exist just as much as anything infinite or negative or irrational does. Negative numbers don't exist in real life. You can't have less than nothing. You can't have an irrational number of anything.

@whizzball1

Just to top it off, 0 is both real and imaginary.

[whizzball1]

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I actually have to disagree with you, there.

@Etcetera

Oh? I mean, either way, if 0 is an imaginary number, the imaginary numbers aren't called imaginary numbers because they don't exist.

[Etcetera]

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Just to top it off, 0 is both real and imaginary.

@whizzball1

You shouldn't make such final statements about concepts that aren't quite true, or are argued to be false.

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Oh? I mean, either way, if 0 is an imaginary number, the imaginary numbers aren't called imaginary numbers because they don't exist.

@whizzball1

As a concept, imaginary numbers don't exist. In the world, numbers are meant to represent something. Negatives are useful, irrationals are useful, positive integers are useful, but imaginary numbers do not exist in any recess of our world.

[whizzball1]

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You shouldn't make such final statements about concepts that aren't quite true, or are argued to be false.

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As a concept, imaginary numbers don't exist. In the world, numbers are meant to represent something. Negatives are useful, irrationals are useful, positive integers are useful, but imaginary numbers do not exist in any recess of our world.

@Etcetera

It's probably called that just because it's at the intersection of the two number lines.

Then we're disagreeing because we're talking about different definitions of "existence". You're talking about existence when it comes to usefulness in the real world, but I'm talking about existence as "it's actually a thing that we use in mathematics for stuff".

Wait, after a bit of research, it looks like we do use imaginary numbers in the real world.
"There is, for example, a differential equation, with coefficients like the a, b, and c in the quadratic formula, that models how electrical circuits or forced spring/damper systems behave. The movement of the shock absorber of a car as it goes over a bump is an example of the latter. The behavior of the differential equations depends upon whether the roots of a certain quadratic are complex or real. If they are complex, then certain behaviors can be expected. These are often just the solutions that one wants."

And then of course, there are countless physicists who seriously consider and actively look for particles that move faster than light--and according to Einstein's equation for mass relative to the speed of light, the mass of those particles is imaginary.

EDIT: As an interesting note, the real numbers are only called the real numbers because the imaginary numbers are called imaginary.

[Etcetera]

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It's probably called that just because it's at the intersection of the two number lines.

Then we're disagreeing because we're talking about different definitions of "existence". You're talking about existence when it comes to usefulness in the real world, but I'm talking about existence as "it's actually a thing that we use in mathematics for stuff".

Wait, after a bit of research, it looks like we do use imaginary numbers in the real world.
"There is, for example, a differential equation, with coefficients like the a, b, and c in the quadratic formula, that models how electrical circuits or forced spring/damper systems behave. The movement of the shock absorber of a car as it goes over a bump is an example of the latter. The behavior of the differential equations depends upon whether the roots of a certain quadratic are complex or real. If they are complex, then certain behaviors can be expected. These are often just the solutions that one wants."

And then of course, there are countless physicists who seriously consider and actively look for particles that move faster than light--and according to Einstein's equation for mass relative to the speed of light, the mass of those particles is imaginary.

EDIT: As an interesting note, the real numbers are only called the real numbers because the imaginary numbers are called imaginary.

@whizzball1

*Sighs*
I never said that we don't use them. I said that they have no real world counterparts.