[OOC] Myriad Reality

[DarkwolfX37]

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Dark! Please stop. Now.

@Extra

No. Stay out of this. I'm not going to be civil when someone uses false information and furthers that by trying to use their beliefs to control people.

[whizzball1]

I would like this to be stopped before it gets stupidly worse. Please.

@Extra

I was just trying to warn Soul. I didn't want this to become an argument.

[whizzball1]

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No. Stay out of this. I'm not going to be civil when someone uses false information and furthers that by trying to use their beliefs to control people.

@DarkwolfX37

I'm not trying to control him. He believes the same Bible I do.

[DarkwolfX37]

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I'm not trying to control him. He believes the same Bible I do.

@whizzball1

That's obviously not true. if it were, there'd be no reason for you to say anything. Even if you follow the same physical version, what's in your head is different, and THAT is what you actually follow.

I didn't mean controlling him. I was referring to "To do knowingly anything that hurts the body, the temple of the Holy Spirit (even if it's not quite that just yet), is a sin. If we allow people to continue in their sin unchecked, the consequences of their sin are on our heads, not just theirs. Christians simply cannot be neutral on it." Warn them about what you think is the case then get the fuck out of the way.

[whizzball1]

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That's obviously not true. if it were, there'd be no reason for you to say anything. Even if you follow the same physical version, what's in your head is different, and THAT is what you actually follow.

I didn't mean controlling him. I was referring to "To do knowingly anything that hurts the body, the temple of the Holy Spirit (even if it's not quite that just yet), is a sin. If we allow people to continue in their sin unchecked, the consequences of their sin are on our heads, not just theirs. Christians simply cannot be neutral on it." Warn them about what you think is the case then get the fuck out of the way.

@DarkwolfX37

That's a theological argument I'm not going to get into, because I really don't want to upset Blitz with an argument.

But I can't just do that. Christians are supposed to care for the people around them, even if they aren't Christians, because no one, not even a non-Christian, is his own. We're not going to force anyone to do anything, because we all have free will, but we'll do whatever we can to show them the error of their ways before they destroy themselves and ruin the plan that God wants to effect in their lives.

Whatever you think of Christians, know this: we're not looking for a feeling of superiority. Our motives are not selfish. We just care.

That's all I have to say.

[Legend]

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Dark! Please stop. Now.

@Extra

It's irritating, is it not?

[DarkwolfX37]

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That's a theological argument I'm not going to get into, because I really don't want to upset Blitz with an argument.

But I can't just do that. Christians are supposed to care for the people around them, even if they aren't Christians, because no one, not even a non-Christian, is his own. We're not going to force anyone to do anything, because we all have free will, but we'll do whatever we can to show them the error of their ways before they destroy themselves and ruin the plan that God wants to effect in their lives.

Whatever you think of Christians, know this: we're not looking for a feeling of superiority. Our motives are not selfish. We just care.

That's all I have to say.

@whizzball1

A) If it's that easy to ruin a plan then you REALLY shouldn't do anything because you might fuck it up by trying to help.
B) The fact that you're supporting laws against something means that you're trying to force them not to do it.
C) Not purposefully, but there's no such thing as not being selfish. Even selfless things are done for selfish reasons if you go deep enough down, and that's fine. I don't care if you do it for a sense of superiority, that has no bearing. As long as you don't try to force someone to do or not do something, I'll have no problems with whatever you happen to believe. That's true of everyone to me.
D) I'll try to put this into perspective. Say that there was a religion or cult of the people who wear frogs as hats and don't watch anime, mlp, or doctor who. They're weird, and don't make sense, but they're harmless, right? But then if they go around yelling at people and trying to pass laws that nobody can watch anime, mlp, or doctor who, then that's a problem, even if they're doing it for what they believe to be good reasons or to help people. And if they go up to you and say "Why aren't you wearing a frog as a hat!?" and acting as if you're doing something horrid, you'd be mad. It's not your job to follow their beliefs, the only people who have to follow them are the ones who believe them. That's about how non-abrahamics view them.
E) If you were using accurate studies with actual information, instead of using studies that were blatantly lying, that would be a different issue and I wouldn't be reacting this way. But the combination of the two things pisses me off.

[DarkwolfX37]

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It's irritating, is it not?

@Legend

When you're starting it with false information, then go on to further try to use that false information to justify your desire to make people be a certain way, you don't get to complain.

[Legend]

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When you're starting it with false information, then go on to further try to use that false information to justify your desire to make people be a certain way, you don't get to complain.

@DarkwolfX37

It's not false.

[whizzball1]

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A) If it's that easy to ruin a plan then you REALLY shouldn't do anything because you might fuck it up by trying to help.
B) The fact that you're supporting laws against something means that you're trying to force them not to do it.
C) Not purposefully, but there's no such thing as not being selfish. Even selfless things are done for selfish reasons if you go deep enough down, and that's fine. I don't care if you do it for a sense of superiority, that has no bearing. As long as you don't try to force someone to do or not do something, I'll have no problems with whatever you happen to believe. That's true of everyone to me.
D) I'll try to put this into perspective. Say that there was a religion or cult of the people who wear frogs as hats and don't watch anime, mlp, or doctor who. They're weird, and don't make sense, but they're harmless, right? But then if they go around yelling at people and trying to pass laws that nobody can watch anime, mlp, or doctor who, then that's a problem, even if they're doing it for what they believe to be good reasons or to help people. And if they go up to you and say "Why aren't you wearing a frog as a hat!?" and acting as if you're doing something horrid, you'd be mad. It's not your job to follow their beliefs, the only people who have to follow them are the ones who believe them. That's about how non-abrahamics view them.
E) If you were using accurate studies with actual information, instead of using studies that were blatantly lying, that would be a different issue and I wouldn't be reacting this way. But the combination of the two things pisses me off.

@DarkwolfX37

A: Which is why, of course, we have to seek God's guidance before we do something.
B: It's common sense to pass laws that keep people from doing that which hurts others. If the government is also going to pass laws that prevent people from hurting themselves, I'm going to support them.
C: I believe there is, but I likely wouldn't be able to argue that.
D: I see what you mean, but it's slightly exaggerated (although I'm sure that's not purposeful). Sure, we'll go around warning people about their sin, but we're not going to shun them (that's what I'm understanding from "acting as if you're doing something horrid") or get angry or anything of the sort. God calls us to be considerate, and that means a moderation of firmness and gentleness.
E: Although ignorance is no excuse, I have no idea whether the information was false. It was from a .gov website with citations. Although, the "5x as much" was not from the .gov website; it was from another which had no references, so I wasn't sure if I could trust it, but I was running out of time.

[DarkwolfX37]

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It's not false.

@Legend

It is. It doesn't shrink the frontal lobe.

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A: Which is why, of course, we have to seek God's guidance before we do something.
B: It's common sense to pass laws that keep people from doing that which hurts others. If the government is also going to pass laws that prevent people from hurting themselves, I'm going to support them.
C: I believe there is, but I likely wouldn't be able to argue that.
D: I see what you mean, but it's slightly exaggerated (although I'm sure that's not purposeful). Sure, we'll go around warning people about their sin, but we're not going to shun them (that's what I'm understanding from "acting as if you're doing something horrid") or get angry or anything of the sort. God calls us to be considerate, and that means a moderation of firmness and gentleness.
E: Although ignorance is no excuse, I have no idea whether the information was false. It was from a .gov website with citations. Although, the "5x as much" was not from the .gov website; it was from another which had no references, so I wasn't sure if I could trust it, but I was running out of time.

@whizzball1

A) Remind me again when the last time you were told something by him was, outside of your view of a book?
B) Then you should be in support of making it so that they CAN stop them from hurting themselves, because when it's illegal it's more likely for kids, the time when it's actually dangerous, to use them.
C) Mm.
D) It was exaggerated for impact, yes. Though the more literalist, say, Westboro, it isn't much of an exaggeration for. See, if that were all it were, I'd be fine with it. But most aren't that way. And with me being the way I am about personal freedom, I get angry easily about things going beyond voicing a view.
E) Alright. I apologize for getting so angry. I had assumed that you were working off of information you heavily trusted, rather than some you hadn't verified. What .gov was it, if you know? The time of it's publishing would heavily affect the results.

[Legend]

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It is. It doesn't shrink the frontal lobe.

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A) Remind me again when the last time you were told something by him was, outside of your view of a book?
B) Then you should be in support of making it so that they CAN stop them from hurting themselves, because when it's illegal it's more likely for kids, the time when it's actually dangerous, to use them.
C) Mm.
D) It was exaggerated for impact, yes. Though the more literalist, say, Westboro, it isn't much of an exaggeration for. See, if that were all it were, I'd be fine with it. But most aren't that way. And with me being the way I am about personal freedom, I get angry easily about things going beyond voicing a view.
E) Alright. I apologize for getting so angry. I had assumed that you were working off of information you heavily trusted, rather than some you hadn't verified. What .gov was it, if you know? The time of it's publishing would heavily affect the results.

@DarkwolfX37

I'm staying out of this.

[whizzball1]

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It is. It doesn't shrink the frontal lobe.

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A) Remind me again when the last time you were told something by him was, outside of your view of a book?
B) Then you should be in support of making it so that they CAN stop them from hurting themselves, because when it's illegal it's more likely for kids, the time when it's actually dangerous, to use them.
C) Mm.
D) It was exaggerated for impact, yes. Though the more literalist, say, Westboro, it isn't much of an exaggeration for. See, if that were all it were, I'd be fine with it. But most aren't that way. And with me being the way I am about personal freedom, I get angry easily about things going beyond voicing a view.
E) Alright. I apologize for getting so angry. I had assumed that you were working off of information you heavily trusted, rather than some you hadn't verified. What .gov was it, if you know? The time of it's publishing would heavily affect the results.

@DarkwolfX37

A: A couple of days ago. My mother was trying to deal with a hurt inflicted upon her by a relative, so she asked for my advice. For some time as we spoke, I wasn't sure what to do, but then suddenly, out of the blue, I knew exactly the condition of her relative's heart and what my mother needed to do. The next morning, I was reading a couple of devotions, and I decided that I could spare the time to read another chapter of the Bible, and as I was reading the commentary, one sentence jumped out at me, since it was the exact solution I gave to my mother.
B: Assuming I'm not in support of that as well.
D: "But most aren't that way." An unfortunate fact. Places like Westboro (although I'm sure most people know that they're not a particularly good example of Christianity as a whole) are one of the reasons why Christianity has such a bad view by the rest of society. After all, the worst is generally more interesting to most people than the good.
E: drugabuse.gov A website created by the National Institute on Drub Abuse, a subset of the National Institutes of Health (in America). The specific page was drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/m.., which was last updated this September.

[DarkwolfX37]

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A: A couple of days ago. My mother was trying to deal with a hurt inflicted upon her by a relative, so she asked for my advice. For some time as we spoke, I wasn't sure what to do, but then suddenly, out of the blue, I knew exactly the condition of her relative's heart and what my mother needed to do. The next morning, I was reading a couple of devotions, and I decided that I could spare the time to read another chapter of the Bible, and as I was reading the commentary, one sentence jumped out at me, since it was the exact solution I gave to my mother.
B: Assuming I'm not in support of that as well.
D: "But most aren't that way." An unfortunate fact. Places like Westboro (although I'm sure most people know that they're not a particularly good example of Christianity as a whole) are one of the reasons why Christianity has such a bad view by the rest of society. After all, the worst is generally more interesting to most people than the good.
E: drugabuse.gov A website created by the National Institute on Drub Abuse, a subset of the National Institutes of Health (in America). The specific page was drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/m.., which was last updated this September.

@whizzball1

A) I'll count that, sure. Point dropped.
B) You haven't said you're in support of it being legalized so it can be regulated, to my knowledge, no.
D) True. History hasn't been friendly either. It's getting better and better about that overall, but it's slow. That's why christians like you are important, because you, for lack of a better phrase coming to mind, help purify the gene pool of the religion.
E) Ah. That was one of the sources I used, and covered the major points of it in the "unless you smoke it when ..." comment I made. It's certainly harmful if taken during brain development, and can be to those with certain physical conditions. The three psychological effects it can increase, like I said then, can be increased but it can also be used to treat those conditions. So nothing really new to cover there.

[whizzball1]

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A) I'll count that, sure. Point dropped.
B) You haven't said you're in support of it being legalized so it can be regulated, to my knowledge, no.
D) True. History hasn't been friendly either. It's getting better and better about that overall, but it's slow. That's why christians like you are important, because you, for lack of a better phrase coming to mind, help purify the gene pool of the religion.
E) Ah. That was one of the sources I used, and covered the major points of it in the "unless you smoke it when ..." comment I made. It's certainly harmful if taken during brain development, and can be to those with certain physical conditions. The three psychological effects it can increase, like I said then, can be increased but it can also be used to treat those conditions. So nothing really new to cover there.

@DarkwolfX37

B: I'm more in support of measures being taken to help those who have been caught in the act, although not exempting them from punishment.
D: I'm surprised that you'd say that about me, since I have pretty much exactly the same beliefs as David. I can't think of a single point where we differ.
E: I was mostly focusing on the harm it inflicts on the lung, because I thought that the depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts thing was flimsy, because according to the page I was reading the mental effects were mainly on teenagers, so I didn't think using that would work out well, and because the effects on the lung apply universally.

[DarkwolfX37]

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B: I'm more in support of measures being taken to help those who have been caught in the act, although not exempting them from punishment.
D: I'm surprised that you'd say that about me, since I have pretty much exactly the same beliefs as David. I can't think of a single point where we differ.
E: I was mostly focusing on the harm it inflicts on the lung, because I thought that the depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts thing was flimsy, because according to the page I was reading the mental effects were mainly on teenagers, so I didn't think using that would work out well, and because the effects on the lung apply universally.

@whizzball1

B) Considering there was a man who spent most of his life in prison due to having a small amount of pot on him, that's not a good position. We also have overcrowded jails, almost entirely due to the drug war, which causes us to run out of room for actual criminals and has lead to a state where the prisons are basically non lethal concentration camps. I'd have to find it again to elaborate, it was a long time ago that I found out.
D) Him too, but the major difference is his "all sins should be illegal" thing and he's more... I can't think of a good word for it.
E) Right. But the effects on lungs are minor compared to cigarettes on a 1 to 1 basis. Cigarettes have a lot of added chemicals and create tar in the lungs, whereas pot only irritates the lungs as any smoke would. Maybe further effects will be found later, but I'm now aware of any currently known lung effects beyond that.

[Armed Forces]

Well, seems like this dispute solved itself before I got here. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

[Legend]

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B) Considering there was a man who spent most of his life in prison due to having a small amount of pot on him, that's not a good position. We also have overcrowded jails, almost entirely due to the drug war, which causes us to run out of room for actual criminals and has lead to a state where the prisons are basically non lethal concentration camps. I'd have to find it again to elaborate, it was a long time ago that I found out.
D) Him too, but the major difference is his "all sins should be illegal" thing and he's more... I can't think of a good word for it.
E) Right. But the effects on lungs are minor compared to cigarettes on a 1 to 1 basis. Cigarettes have a lot of added chemicals and create tar in the lungs, whereas pot only irritates the lungs as any smoke would. Maybe further effects will be found later, but I'm now aware of any currently known lung effects beyond that.

@DarkwolfX37

More binary on every issue. And to clarify, I think punishments should vary based on how harmful the action is, and recognize that the system would be difficult outside of a perfect world. I speak in theory, not necessarily in experimental values.

[Extra]

Leaving and coming back was a good idea. Things have getten better,somewhat.

[Extra]

Well, seems like this dispute solved itself before I got here. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

@Armed Forces

Somewhat. (To me.)