[OOC] Myriad Reality

[Mammalia]

<Snipped quote by Mammalia>

Which it doesn't, by the way.

<Snipped quote by Spiritblitz>

Most of them are probably just experimenting. You're in highschool, that's sort of the point.

@DarkwolfX37

It does. Romans 1:26-27 in English Standard Version and Young's Literal Translation.

[Legend]

<Snipped quote by Dynamics>

We've already covered this with Mio. I'm not going to let you force your way back to before that.

@DarkwolfX37

You literally just asserted "This is the way it is and you can't change it" and I said "It's not, but as long as it becomes an issue, I'm not going to discuss it." There's no inching the situation in one direction, like so many disagreements do these days. I don't forget the situations that matter.

[Spiritblitz]

<Snipped quote by Mammalia>

Which it doesn't, by the way.

<Snipped quote by Spiritblitz>

Most of them are probably just experimenting. You're in highschool, that's sort of the point.

@DarkwolfX37

I get that. But still.

[DarkwolfX37]

<Snipped quote by DarkwolfX37>

It does. Romans 1:26-27 in English Standard Version and Young's Literal Translation.

@Mammalia

Whatever happened to the whole context argument? Given what comes before and after, it can easily be argued that it's not talking about sexual passions. And, though it's been a long time so I could easily be wrong, I'm pretty sure this is one of the verses that has the whole "treating men as women and women as men isn't sexual but rather the issue of 'women must be subservient'" thing.

22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

[Mammalia]

<Snipped quote by Mammalia>

Whatever happened to the whole context argument? Given what comes before and after, it can easily be argued that it's not talking about sexual passions. And, though it's been a long time so I could easily be wrong, I'm pretty sure this is one of the verses that has the whole "treating men as women and women as men isn't sexual but rather the issue of 'women must be subservient'" thing.

22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

@DarkwolfX37

The whole context here is about people who rejected God. Earlier, in Romans 1:20, it says "Since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." The rest of this concerns the sins of people who reject God anyway, including homosexuality. 24, 26, and 28 all say that "God gave them up" which shows that this is simply a list of sins that people now commit, arranged into a few different blocks to make it easier to read. A plain, exegetic reading in both the ESV (commonly considered to be the most accurate translation of the Bible) and the YLT, and even in this translation, provides no reason to say that this is not talking about homosexuality.

[DarkwolfX37]

<Snipped quote by DarkwolfX37>

The whole context here is about people who rejected God. Earlier, in Romans 1:20, it says "Since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." The rest of this concerns the sins of people who reject God anyway, including homosexuality. 24, 26, and 28 all say that "God gave them up" which shows that this is simply a list of sins that people now commit, arranged into a few different blocks to make it easier to read. A plain, exegetic reading in both the ESV (commonly considered to be the most accurate translation of the Bible) and the YLT, and even in this translation, provides no reason to say that this is not talking about homosexuality.

@Mammalia

"and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man" alone could, but it's been too long since I've cared enough to go into the pre-translations context and stuff so whatever.

[Mammalia]

<Snipped quote by Mammalia>

"and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man" alone could, but it's been too long since I've cared enough to go into the pre-translations context and stuff so whatever.

@DarkwolfX37

I would disagree, but you don't want to argue, so neither will I.

[Galaxy Raider]

Today was my last official day of high school. Kinda sad, actually.

[Mammalia]

Today was my last official day of high school. Kinda sad, actually.

@Galaxy Raider

I would be surprised, but that's the emotion I expected for when high school ended.

[Legend]

Today was my last official day of high school. Kinda sad, actually.

@Galaxy Raider

Aw.

[Galaxy Raider]

And that's when it dawns on you that you are going to be all alone in just a couple of months. All your friends are going to colleges together- locally- and they'll still have each other and their families. I'm leaving all of them and everyone else. This really sucks.

[Mammalia]

And that's when it dawns on you that you are going to be all alone in just a couple of months. All your friends are going to colleges together- locally- and they'll still have each other and their families. I'm leaving all of them and everyone else. This really sucks.

@Galaxy Raider

Huh. That's really sad. Where are you going for college?

[Galaxy Raider]

<Snipped quote by Galaxy Raider>

Huh. That's really sad. Where are you going for college?

@Mammalia

WVU. On the complete opposite side of the state, and only one other person from my school is going there. Thing is, he's not really my friend, and he's only going for the "recreational activities" so he won't last too long, probably.

[Legend]

And that's when it dawns on you that you are going to be all alone in just a couple of months. All your friends are going to colleges together- locally- and they'll still have each other and their families. I'm leaving all of them and everyone else. This really sucks.

@Galaxy Raider

Sorry to hear that, man.

[Galaxy Raider]

<Snipped quote by Galaxy Raider>

Sorry to hear that, man.

@Legend

It's easy to take the expected route and say, "It's for the best, in the long run," or, "You'll meet new people," but the truth is that it's more complicated than the former and the latter might simply end up being entirely untrue. No one knows. I just... Bleh.

[Galaxy Raider]

Not in a good mindset for RPing right now. I might just sleep or something, I dunno. Either way, see y'all.

[Mammalia]

Blitz, how would you feel about playing Rogsigar? And David, Neyna? I could play all the villains on my own, but that wouldn't be quite as fun, especially since in at least one of the fights I have planned I'd be fighting myself. I haven't established a personality for them, and their magic is already fully explained, so you could do what you want with them personality-wise.

[DarkwolfX37]

<Snipped quote by Legend>

It's easy to take the expected route and say, "It's for the best, in the long run," or, "You'll meet new people," but the truth is that it's more complicated than the former and the latter might simply end up being entirely untrue. No one knows. I just... Bleh.

@Galaxy Raider

Momentai.

[Legend]

Sorry. I had my IB celebration ceremony where I got hooded.

[Legend]

<Snipped quote by Legend>

It's easy to take the expected route and say, "It's for the best, in the long run," or, "You'll meet new people," but the truth is that it's more complicated than the former and the latter might simply end up being entirely untrue. No one knows. I just... Bleh.

@Galaxy Raider

The future is mostly unwritten.