[OOC] Myriad Reality

[DarkwolfX37]

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You can't just waste time and life like that. Build something people will love.

@Techspert

Sure I can. I wouldn't be able to anyway.

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If you want my art, the game must be sold. As much as i would live to make arr for you for free, I do need time and supplies.

@Extra

I know. I was prepared for that if actually going through with it. I'm aware of how important it is to pay artists for their work.

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Don't want to what?

Even if we did make it and charged or ran ads, the profit margins would be extremely low due to the oversaturation of the mobile games market.

@Techspert

Any artist that does work for a project should be paid upfront for their work. It's only right. Additional payment based on profit made is also good, but otherwise they're losing time and resources that could be going towards paying projects. I was planning on sending him 100 for the images in the dating sim if I ended up actually making it, but luckily it would be the last thing needed so I wouldn't even have asked him for art til the game was otherwise completely done.

[DarkwolfX37]

"Punch first, ask questions while punching."

[Techspert]

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Need money for art.

I guess...

@Extra

Don't worry about it then. An MR dating sim up to Dark's standards would likely not be able to be made (by me, at least), but I have plenty of sources of free assets if I ever do make an MR game at all. Money is a tough game to play, especially in game creation.

[Techspert]

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Sure I can. I wouldn't be able to anyway.

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I know. I was prepared for that if actually going through with it. I'm aware of how important it is to pay artists for their work.

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Any artist that does work for a project should be paid upfront for their work. It's only right. Additional payment based on profit made is also good, but otherwise they're losing time and resources that could be going towards paying projects. I was planning on sending him 100 for the images in the dating sim if I ended up actually making it, but luckily it would be the last thing needed so I wouldn't even have asked him for art til the game was otherwise completely done.

@DarkwolfX37

That's not true. Everyone has the potential to make something of themselves.

There are plenty of artists who do what they love for the sake of creating it and offer it for free to any who wish to use it. By the logic that you should pay all artists for their work, you should pay the Unity devs whenever you use Unity, even though they provided their engine for free.

"Punch first, ask questions while punching."

@DarkwolfX37

You slept for four hours.

[Extra]

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Don't worry about it then. An MR dating sim up to Dark's standards would likely not be able to be made (by me, at least), but I have plenty of sources of free assets if I ever do make an MR game at all. Money is a tough game to play, especially in game creation.

@Techspert

I wnat to help though!

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Sure I can. I wouldn't be able to anyway.

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I know. I was prepared for that if actually going through with it. I'm aware of how important it is to pay artists for their work.

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Any artist that does work for a project should be paid upfront for their work. It's only right. Additional payment based on profit made is also good, but otherwise they're losing time and resources that could be going towards paying projects. I was planning on sending him 100 for the images in the dating sim if I ended up actually making it, but luckily it would be the last thing needed so I wouldn't even have asked him for art til the game was otherwise completely done.

@DarkwolfX37

No. Not a hundred. Like probably Twenty. I draw things by hand first then move it to digital. I don't really need a lot tbh. Sorry if I made it sound like I need to do a lot.

[Techspert]

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I wnat to help though!

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No. Not a hundred. Like probably Twenty. I draw things by hand first then move it to digital. I don't really need a lot tbh. Sorry if I made it sound like I need to do a lot.

@Extra

I mean, the discussion is moot until somebody actually starts on an MR game. I have to finish the Sword & Shield trilogy first, and probably a mini side-game to test out a new concept because it'll almost certainly make some money, but I really do need to get this first one done before I can start making games for people for free.

[souleaterfan320]

Sorry guys, at disney.

[DarkwolfX37]

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That's not true. Everyone has the potential to make something of themselves.

There are plenty of artists who do what they love for the sake of creating it and offer it for free to any who wish to use it. By the logic that you should pay all artists for their work, you should pay the Unity devs whenever you use Unity, even though they provided their engine for free.

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You slept for four hours.

@Techspert

I don't.

Yes, because they can afford to. They're making that art for themselves, not for a specific project or person. That's the difference. If an artist makes art for a project or person, they should be paid upfront 100% of the time. I've got a chart somewhere if you want.

I didn't sleep in that time. :/

[DarkwolfX37]

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I wnat to help though!

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No. Not a hundred. Like probably Twenty. I draw things by hand first then move it to digital. I don't really need a lot tbh. Sorry if I made it sound like I need to do a lot.

@Extra

Eh. I always like to overpay for artistic work of any kind. Personal thing. Besides, it doesn't really matter until/if it actually comes to that point.

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I mean, the discussion is moot until somebody actually starts on an MR game. I have to finish the Sword & Shield trilogy first, and probably a mini side-game to test out a new concept because it'll almost certainly make some money, but I really do need to get this first one done before I can start making games for people for free.

@Techspert

When are you going to release SAS anyway? I've been looking for it on steam and haven't found it.
And you should totally go ahead and make that five hour simple DS you mentioned, I'm curious how it would turn out.

[DarkwolfX37]

Anyone gonna watch The Runner hosted by Matpat and maybe win money for it?

[DarkwolfX37]

SO sven have you tried going upstairs during the recording section of RE7 demo? If so please tell me what happens because I'm convinced that if I could just play the demo I could find the good ending that nobody seems to have found yet.

[Techspert]

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I don't.

Yes, because they can afford to. They're making that art for themselves, not for a specific project or person. That's the difference. If an artist makes art for a project or person, they should be paid upfront 100% of the time. I've got a chart somewhere if you want.

I didn't sleep in that time. :/

@DarkwolfX37

Nobody gets to be special in this concept. Everyone can.

Not if it's as a gesture of friendship.

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Eh. I always like to overpay for artistic work of any kind. Personal thing. Besides, it doesn't really matter until/if it actually comes to that point.

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When are you going to release SAS anyway? I've been looking for it on steam and haven't found it.
And you should totally go ahead and make that five hour simple DS you mentioned, I'm curious how it would turn out.

@DarkwolfX37

I delayed the release to polish the game more. I'm looking forward to Wizard Physics (name subject to change) the most, though. It's really hard to blend the story and gameplay well in SAS.

I thought you wanted any MR game to actually be good.

Anyone gonna watch The Runner hosted by Matpat and maybe win money for it?

@DarkwolfX37

Isn't it YouTube Red?

[DarkwolfX37]

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Nobody gets to be special in this concept. Everyone can.

Not if it's as a gesture of friendship.

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I delayed the release to polish the game more. I'm looking forward to Wizard Physics (name subject to change) the most, though. It's really hard to blend the story and gameplay well in SAS.

I thought you wanted any MR game to actually be good.

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Isn't it YouTube Red?

@Techspert

No, I literally can't. Like, believe me, I'm passionate about the games I wanted to make. They were one of my life goals. But I don't have any motivation for them, even though they're my passion. And I can't work without motivation. I literally can't. It's impossible for me to make something worthwhile, so I just gave up.

Should still be payed for their work. That's time they could be using to do something that can sustain their livelihood.

Yeah I noticed. If you want help, I'm willing to help however I can.

I do, but I trust you to be able to make something good. Even if it's not perfect, I just don't care anymore.

No, it's on a free website/maybe a tv channel. therunner.go90.com

[Techspert]

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No, I literally can't. Like, believe me, I'm passionate about the games I wanted to make. They were one of my life goals. But I don't have any motivation for them, even though they're my passion. And I can't work without motivation. I literally can't. It's impossible for me to make something worthwhile, so I just gave up.

Should still be payed for their work. That's time they could be using to do something that can sustain their livelihood.

Yeah I noticed. If you want help, I'm willing to help however I can.

I do, but I trust you to be able to make something good. Even if it's not perfect, I just don't care anymore.

No, it's on a free website/maybe a tv channel. therunner.go90.com

@DarkwolfX37

It doesn't have to be a game.

That can be extrapolated to apply to all sorts of things. Gifts should remain gifts.

Thanks. Do you know anything about Unity? Other than the fact that he's a jerk?

Why not?

How do you win?

[DarkwolfX37]

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It doesn't have to be a game.

That can be extrapolated to apply to all sorts of things. Gifts should remain gifts.

Thanks. Do you know anything about Unity? Other than the fact that he's a jerk?

Why not?

How do you win?

@Techspert

The same applies to everything.

Uuuuuggghhhh.

A little. I could probably learn it in a week or so though.

I stop caring about things very quickly.

Just sign up as far as I know.

[Techspert]

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The same applies to everything.

Uuuuuggghhhh.

A little. I could probably learn it in a week or so though.

I stop caring about things very quickly.

Just sign up as far as I know.

@DarkwolfX37

Nobody's worthless.

I could send you the source code or just create a black box system, but that's if we figured out what improvements you would make.

Why?

Sure, I'll do it then.

[DarkwolfX37]

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Nobody's worthless.

I could send you the source code or just create a black box system, but that's if we figured out what improvements you would make.

Why?

Sure, I'll do it then.

@Techspert

I'm as close as one can get.

Well, you said you had trouble melding the story to the game, so I could try to help with that. I doubt I could make any coding improvements.

I dunno. Just do.

[Techspert]

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I'm as close as one can get.

Well, you said you had trouble melding the story to the game, so I could try to help with that. I doubt I could make any coding improvements.

I dunno. Just do.

@DarkwolfX37

I disagree. You have plenty of potential, but lack the motivation to use it.

I have the story done, but I'm working on mechanics. They're difficult, but I could send videos and you could let me know what needs to be changed.



I also think you'd like reddit.com/r/Outside.

[DarkwolfX37]

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I disagree. You have plenty of potential, but lack the motivation to use it.

I have the story done, but I'm working on mechanics. They're difficult, but I could send videos and you could let me know what needs to be changed.



I also think you'd like reddit.com/r/Outside.

@Techspert

Bleh. I've been losing any potential I had. I'm forgetting basic things, having trouble relearning things, I've lost my creativity... There's just nothing for me to give even if I had the motivation.

That could work.

I'll look into it.

[Techspert]

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Bleh. I've been losing any potential I had. I'm forgetting basic things, having trouble relearning things, I've lost my creativity... There's just nothing for me to give even if I had the motivation.

That could work.

I'll look into it.

@DarkwolfX37

That's a part of life; sometimes it's harder to learn and sometimes it's easier. The key is to resist, regardless of what life throws at you because you're strong.