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alright, i'm sick of my dad giving me shit. i'm getting a new job and moving the hell out. I cant stand this bullshit he puts me through.

I understand he wants the best of me, but I don't have the sort of drive he wants me to have. that's something I have to learn on my own.
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alright, i'm sick of my dad giving me shit. i'm getting a new job and moving the hell out. I cant stand this bullshit he puts me through.

I understand he wants the best of me, but I don't have the sort of drive he wants me to have. that's something I have to learn on my own.


He means well, and one should respect their father and mother.
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Threads of Fate hasn't responded to all the stuff Spirit and David said.


I was away from internet yesterday and until today. Sorry.
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alright, i'm sick of my dad giving me shit. i'm getting a new job and moving the hell out. I cant stand this bullshit he puts me through.

I understand he wants the best of me, but I don't have the sort of drive he wants me to have. that's something I have to learn on my own.


Relax for a moment and don't make any decisions while angry. Anger clouds judgement more than almost anything.
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alright, i'm sick of my dad giving me shit. i'm getting a new job and moving the hell out. I cant stand this bullshit he puts me through.

I understand he wants the best of me, but I don't have the sort of drive he wants me to have. that's something I have to learn on my own.


You should really have a heart to heart talk with him about that very subject before you jump to moving out.

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He means well, and one should respect their father and mother.


That's highly relative.
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You should really have a heart to heart talk with him about that very subject before you jump to moving out.

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That's highly relative.


Technically it's binary and objective. If we assume morals to be legitimate and to exist, then one is to always respect his parents. If morals do not exist then one never technically "should" respect them; it would just be something he could do if he so chose.
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Technically it's binary and objective. If we assume morals to be legitimate and to exist, then one is to always respect his parents. If morals do not exist then one never technically "should" respect them; it would just be something he could do if he so chose.


No? Even if we assume that morals do exist, "always respect your parents" wouldn't be one. "Respect your parents so long as they remain worthy of respect" could be, but that's why it's highly relative. Not all parents deserve respect and some deserve it more than others.
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No? Even if we assume that morals do exist, "always respect your parents" wouldn't be one. "Respect your parents so long as they remain worthy of respect" could be, but that's why it's highly relative. Not all parents deserve respect and some deserve it more than others.


For the sake of simplicity, we'll assume Christian morals being the "moral" side of things, because it allows us to weigh an objective standard.

Deuteronomy 5:16

“Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you."

Leviticus 19:3

"Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and you shall keep my Sabbaths: I am the Lord your God."

Or if you don't like OT

Ephesians 6:1-2

"Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise),"

No qualifications are ever put on honoring (respecting) one's parents. Obeying, on the other hand, has qualifications (see above), because they must obey God first, and then parents. But at no point does it say to respect/honor them if they have earned it. It's an all-encompassing command that does not fade. The humanistic view, on the other hand, claims relative morals, which might as well be no morals at all because it means nothing; without a static structure to create morality around, it will shift eventually anyway, so there's no room to call something absolutely morally right.
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No? Even if we assume that morals do exist, "always respect your parents" wouldn't be one. "Respect your parents so long as they remain worthy of respect" could be, but that's why it's highly relative. Not all parents deserve respect and some deserve it more than others.


Well, I was referring to the specific rule in the Bible.
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@Techspert
I dont care what he wants, its not his life to control, im the one living it. He wants me out anyways, so its better for both of us.
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I respect him, but i dont agree with him. He thinks he knows what is best for me, but in the end only i can decide that. Its my life, not his.
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I dont care what he wants, its not his life to control, im the one living it. He wants me out anyways, so its better for both of us.


Can you explain the situation as a whole? What do you mean "control"?
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I dont care what he wants, its not his life to control, im the one living it. He wants me out anyways, so its better for both of us.


That doesn't change anything. Calm down first.
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He feels that i am not capable of doing a damn thing in my life and seeks absolute control over it.
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I am calm. Im just annoyed.
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I am calm. Im just annoyed.


Then wait until you're not annoyed.
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On your big post, if your parent orders you to punch someone who is ill in the face, would you do it? You arent breaking gods law in doing so, yet it is morally absurd.
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Also, ive found out that i am deathly afraid of parasites.

Burn them.

With fire.

Cleanse them.
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Im never not annoyed around him, its impossible to be.
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On your big post, if your parent orders you to punch someone who is ill in the face, would you do it? You arent breaking gods law in doing so, yet it is morally absurd.


Did you read what I sent to Dark? I answered that question exactly.

No qualifications are ever put on honoring (respecting) one's parents. Obeying, on the other hand, has qualifications (see above), because they must obey God first, and then parents. But at no point does it say to respect/honor them if they have earned it. It's an all-encompassing command that does not fade. The humanistic view, on the other hand, claims relative morals, which might as well be no morals at all because it means nothing; without a static structure to create morality around, it will shift eventually anyway, so there's no room to call something absolutely morally right.

Acts 5:29 "Peter and the other apostles replied: 'We must obey God rather than human beings!'"
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