[OOC] Of Steam and Ambition -

[Hidarii]

Was trying to figure out what is open and what's not, made this ugly monstrosity of blob filling.

DISCLAIMER: This is no Official in any way, colored tiles could still be open, and Kilo has the final say in everything, As far as i'm concerned. Just trying to be helpful and figure out where to settle down.

Note: 75 is black because I know someone here with a nation claimed it but I don't know what color that nation was.

Uglyblobs

[Monkeypants]

Hey, nice updated map. Although light blue/teal also has 46 91 and 92

And some of those nations are super massive.. like. Ultra massive.

[Slamurai]

So many 100 million+ populations

[Monkeypants]

Nations on this map are huge. If this is earth sized planet that is.

[Tatsua Aiisen]

This was mentioned before, but a lot of these claims are excessively large. This should probably be addressed...

[SyrianHamster]

Tatsua Aiisen said
This was mentioned before, but a lot of these claims are excessively large. This should probably be addressed...

I felt bad taking more than 1 region lol.

End of the day, I guess it's down to the sort of game we want. Player vs player expansion always works out and never results in rage quits, so taking huge countries should work out a treat.

But nah seriously, nation RPs need room for NPNs because otherwise you'll all murder each other IRL. I've seen it happen time and time again.

Would recommend settling a 3 region limit, but then that's me. Democracy might be a better road to walk down; asking the masses for a general consensus on what's reasonable. That way they only got themselves to blame when it comes crashing down.

[Senor Herp]

THE CHINABLOB

IT'S

IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL

PROBABLY LOOKS EVEN MORE FUCKED ON THE PANGAEA WRAPAROUND

I think 75 was some territory or protectorate of Durstweall in light green (not continental lime) and 95/94 was coast de jure belong to me but under administration and occupation from Durstweall, Shanghai-style with less economic rape and more semiconsensual modernization. And also economic rape. Map's otherwise good and illustrates that things are fairly blobby, might be because the scale of this pangaea is not set or not understood, might be that people want large blocs. I imagine the remainder of territory, assuming no further joining, is the obligatory smattering of neutrals. Not sure what ideas you might have, Hidarii, but I imagine that those middle hills, plains and woods at the mouth of the Cronemoor River would be a highway, nexus and graveyard of empires, a hotbed of world events. That Polynesia looking bit in the bottom-right is also presently unoccupied, but I think Shadow wanted it and is presently disputing his smaller size. Not sure of any others besides a 52-53-55 snake, but it'd look a bit odd. Something to work with.

[Skylar]

Dropping Nordamark's claim to 64. We do kinda need to make space of NPN's.

By the way, can we make up our own NPN's? I got a few ideas.

[Alfhedil]

SyrianHamster said
Would recommend settling a 3 region limit, but then that's me. Democracy might be a better road to walk down; asking the masses for a general consensus on what's reasonable. That way they only got themselves to blame when it comes crashing down.

This guy. Right here. I agree with this proposition, though I understand that some people may want to play larger nations. However, that being said, massive claims of more than 6 regions should be seriously looked at.

[SyrianHamster]

Alfhedil said
This guy. Right here. I agree with this proposition, though I understand that some people may want to play larger nations. However, that being said, massive claims of more than 6 regions should be seriously looked at.

I have waited thirteen years for someone on the internet to quote me and say "This guy. Right here." You have made my day. I can finally die happy.

Well, looking at the map, I thought I heard Kilo say it was supposed to represent the whole world, right? If so, then some of these nations are not countries, but rather geographical empires. I don't even know if those two words put together make sense, but ima run with it. I mean, each region theoretically is a large real world country. I've no problem with people playing gigantic political rofl bodies, but we just need to be sure that everyone is happy with that. No one seems to be, so we best get it resolved.

[Alfhedil]

Aristo said
So many 100 million+ populations

While we are also looking at the geographical size of nations, perhaps this should be addressed as well. According to the setting, the world is still sorta emerging from a devastating disease that wiped out 80% of the world's population. Perhaps a bit of perspective needs to be gained here ._.

[The Captain]

75 is green. As are 95/95.

[Serpentine88]

Alfhedil said
While we are also looking at the geographical size of nations, perhaps this should be addressed as well. According to the setting, the world is still sorta emerging from a devastating disease that wiped out 80% of the world's population. Perhaps a bit of perspective needs to be gained here ._.

First off, on the matter of massive states: I was aiming for a Russian Empire-esque state, so I purposely went large, however seeing as this is against the playerbases liking, I guess I am forced to downsize. I'll cut 54, 36 and nameless unnumbered region from my empire, leaving the still sizable 40, 39, 38, 37 and 35.

On population: The super plague wiped out 80% of the population 500+ years ago (Assuming the Golden age was not 1 year ago or less, it could have been more than 500 years, even 1000 years). The Black Death killed 1/4 of every person in Europe some 600 years ago and Europe recovered pretty damn well. Still, the mass of 100+ millions is alarming, however I can't say anything as a Russia-expy I am one.

[Alfhedil]

Serpentine88 said
First off, on the matter of massive states: I was aiming for a Russian Empire-esque state, so I purposely went large, however seeing as this is against the playerbases liking, I guess I am forced to downsize. I'll cut 54, 36 and nameless unnumbered region from my empire, leaving the still sizable 40, 39, 38, 37 and 35.

Well, I wasn't advocating for everyone to cut their claims, as I did in fact say in my post that some people do like to play the large nations. I was merely agreeing with Syrian and proposing that a more serious look be taken at claims.

Serpentine88 said
On population: The super plague wiped out 80% of the population 500+ years ago (Assuming the Golden age was not 1 year ago or less, it could have been more than 500 years, even 1000 years). The Black Death killed 1/4 of every person in Europe some 600 years ago and Europe recovered pretty damn well. Still, the mass of 100+ millions is alarming, however I can't say anything as a Russia-expy I am one.

25% =! 80% Just saying.

[SyrianHamster]

Serpentine88 said
First off, on the matter of massive states: I was aiming for a Russian Empire-esque state, so I purposely went large, however seeing as this is against the playerbases liking, I guess I am forced to downsize. I'll cut 54, 36 and nameless unnumbered region from my empire, leaving the still sizable 40, 39, 38, 37 and 35.On population: The super plague wiped out 80% of the population 500+ years ago (Assuming the Golden age was not 1 year ago or less, it could have been more than 500 years, even 1000 years). The Black Death killed 1/4 of every person in Europe some 600 years ago and Europe recovered pretty damn well. Still, the mass of 100+ millions is alarming, however I can't say anything as a Russia-expy I am one.

"My intents are proportional to their surroundings." - To quote some drunk guy one night before being brutally mauled to death by a herd of buffaloes.

I don't know what point I was trying to make, I forget these things. Just gonna keep typing though because I can, and there's almost nothing you can do to

OH, oh yeah I remember now. Looking at this map, these countries are not countries, they're continents. It's all well and good for a few people to play a Chinese/Russian super sized giant, but it looks like everyone wants to. Everyone realises that you can't actually "win" a nation RP right? It's been tried, rage quits ensue before things reach their conclusion.

It'll be best to play a nation that's just fun to play, rather than trying to alpha dominate other players with your ability to put together numbered territories into the bestest country there ever was.

But anyway, let's see what Kilo has to say. She's the captain.

[Serpentine88]

I am willing to cut my size, my statement was less complaint and more recognition... although cutting physical size doesn't seem to affect all that much anyway (Considering the GM has 120 million people crammed into a single region country, I am assuming these regions are indeed gigantic).

Although if each region is the size of a large country, this world is going to either have a lot of NPC's or a lot of blank colonization land (Though why there would still be empty land after 500+ years on a single continent is beyond me).

[Raptorman]

A substantial part of Viria is desert and a geographic region that makes sense for it to control. IF necessary I can cut 59 and 74 but the rest is important.

[SyrianHamster]

Serpentine88 said
I am willing to cut my size, my statement was less complaint and more recognition... although cutting physical size doesn't seem to affect all that much anyway (Considering the GM has 120 million people crammed into a single region country, I am assuming these regions are indeed gigantic).Although if each region is the size of a large country, this world is going to either have a lot of NPC's or a lot of blank colonization land (Though why there would still be empty land after 500+ years on a single continent is beyond me).

North America wasn't empty before it got colonized up the ying yang. Blank territories are just territories that haven't got a regional political system, you'd find people out there, just no el presidente's or kings. You'd be able to go in there, give them freedom from their heathen ways, and then get hated for it five hundred years later. That's my take on it anyways.

[Rhymer]

Wow. So many new countries. I have no idea who is what now. What's the deadline for finishing Nation Sheets?

I'm up for dropping everyone down to 1 region. The population thing seems largely arbitrary because this is a numbers-less RP. Also, welcome to all the new players

[Serpentine88]

Rhymer said
Wow. So many new countries. I have no idea who is what now. What's the deadline for finishing Nation Sheets? I'm up for dropping everyone down to 1 region. The population thing seems largely arbitrary because this is a numbers-less RP. Also, welcome to all the new players

The problem (In my opinion, since obviously there is a significant group who disagree) with dropping everyone to a single region is that it'll get really weird when nations that have 10-20 million people are the exact same size as nations with 100-120 million people. This can be solved by forcing everyone to have the same population size, but then the game's war mechanics become extremely unbalanced because numerical superiority focused factions or factions with inferior technology but superior numbers become meaningless.

Another problem with forcing everyone to be 1-region states is that everyone will be way too far from each other, nearly everyone's neighbours will be NPC's or no-mans-land. The military, trade and diplomatic problems with this are obvious.