[OOC] Skyrim: Dragonsbane

[ManoftheNorth]

Draugr/Falmer places aren't specifically excluded. There are a million & one places to encounter both. If you are concerned though, I will speak with Roze and Leos on it though.

[Leos Klien]

Yeah, North hit the nail on the head, since; Draugr ruins especially are linked in with the dragons then it's likely a few escapades will be made into ruins that have them in, as for falmer, they will probably have a bigger show once the dawnguard quest line is started.

[Leos Klien]

I'll probably get a post up tonight guys, also, Lord Pie hasn't been seen or quite some time now, something must have came up but we won't sentence him to the gallows just yet :P

[Taka]

I am very interested. I see you are all still active.

[ManoftheNorth]

I am not sure what the Gm's decision will be, as I haven't been talked with lately, but as a few of our members are still quiet at the moment you are welcome to apply. No guarantees though my fellow writer.

[MiddleEarthRoze]

As North said, my friend: give us a completed CS and you'll have our verdict. :)

[Leos Klien]

I'll try and get my post up tonight guys, if not then tomorrow morning as I'm off college then ^.^

[Pirouette]

Stuck marching to the college drum at the moment. Will probably post when dragon arrives.

[Taka]

Name:
Tyrion Frostbane

Age:
27

Race:
Imperial/Nord

Class:
Tyrion is a Assassin that provides his services against criminals, and supernatural beings. He has made a name for himself though he is willing to undertake more devious assignments in secret

Personality:
Tyrion is a quiet man, a personality tempered from years as an assassin trained to be as silent as possible and say only what's necessary. As such, Tyrion is a man of few words causing people to forget he's even in the room until he makes his presence known. Though Tyrion will go out of his way to associate with individuals who have proven themselves an ally. Despite his silent nature, Tyrion courts women on his downtime simply for the pleasures of the flesh. A complex man indeed, the assassin just lives life in the company of those that he can consider friend.

Bio:
Not much is known about Tyrion's past life. What little facts are known or rumored is that he was adopted b th head of the Dark Brotherhood as an experiment if one could raise the ultimate assassin. For many years the man committed many murders stealthily and once engaged in open combat with a bandit orc leader known as Urg-Dash the Duelist. Reasons unknown lead to his departure from the Dark Brotherhood and an entire sect going silent. He turned up in Skyrim over three years ago, working under the guise as an assassin seeking to do good. From working with many different factions, the Imperials, and even the Stormcloaks under the table. He has joined the Dovahfeyn under contract from Jarl Balgruff and his own personal reasons.

Equipment:
Tyrion carries two silver shortswords which he acquired from his past with the Dark Brotherhood. He is devastatingly skilled in close combat with said shortswords. For range, Tyrion has a set of throwing knives, and a longbow with a quiver of 20 steel arrows. For stealth purposes, Tyrion has learned the spell known as Muffled.

Other:
Tyrion owns a horse he has trained exclusively known as Epona.

[Leos Klien]

Hmm, I'm loathe to accept anyone who was defected from the Darkbrotherhood as in reality one can't leave it, they only do once they die, merely vanishing one day would have them send their own assassins after you to ensure silence of anything you have learned.
However, since he technically didn't join the brotherhood but was trained since birth, much like the shadowscales then I suppose it might be a special circumstance.
On that note, since you were brought up from birth in the Darkbrotherhood, and that is the only life he has ever known it begs the question of why he left?
As well as that if they were trying to make the ultimate assassin, he'd be celibate, what use does he have for sex when he was designed only to take life?
He'd be more like a machine than he would be a man.

Anyway, they're just my thoughts on it, the other gm's will clear up any of their own points and we will convene if anything needs changing, other than that, it's a fairly decent sign up.
It'll be good to have another stealthy person In the group.

[ManoftheNorth]

On topic of TDB: One, even a Shadowscale, does not leave The Dark Brotherhood without first greeting Sithis as they enter the Void. One of the many reasons the Last Shadowscale is in Skyrim is because for one: The Dark Brotherhood is all bet dead with the Dragonborn intervening as a Member, and secondly because with the fall of this Infamous collection the people who gave up their Hatchlings or wished to join the Order began to decide against it, due to the "Stay or Die" rule. Shadowscales became less popular because while in the old ages they were FORCED to be given up, in the later ages Parents could prevent them from being made to join The Dark Brotherhood.

Ultimately, even in it's decline, if he an assassin as you want him to be, he would be killed upon attempt at leaving. Shadowscales were the best of their kind, the most natural form of assassin trained as the ultimate assassins from birth, and even they could not escape the Wrath of Sithis.

On the topic of Carnal Relations: I must also agree with Leos on this, as it would be possible for him to develop desires, and moods towards certain sensations, he wouldn't just courting women as he goes, for the company of flesh without a reason. That fits more of a literature stereotype and character Archetype in other forms of stories, but with this, it would be rather out of place. He would need a reason to court, as in a time-period like that courting was a series matter and done right by men to honor what a woman truly was, especially in Skyrim when it comes to it's hardy lassies and stout Shield Maidens. Over all, a man trained from birth similarly to a Shadowscale would likely follow many of the same methods, including the renouncing of need for such petty desires and wills, and would be trained out of needing carnal relations. It would take him a few long decades to get the will, desire, and thoughts of such thing back properly.

This is just my set of points from my own knowledge and experience, not a full verdict. Roze gets that honor, as the Gm. ^^

[Pirouette]

I don't really know anything about the lore but I do know some psychology and I am going to have to side against the both of you for that flesh thing.

I can totally see a guy being born in a cult where he kills all the time, eventually giving himself up to sex and other primal, selfish desires. Think about it. Being forced to become an perfect assassin would be taxing for a youth. A lot of do this or do that. Tyrion would only experience the selfish desires of his master and surrogate father. Meanwhile those desires that Tyrion is fulfilling are killing and essentially "dehumanizing" people by killing them in droves.

This means Tyrion only knows fulfilling the self and dehumanizing killing. I imagine shortly after being free of his cult, Tyrion would probably discover sex somehow, because it is a psychological instinct of man. That feeling of sex would feel positive, just like how fulfilling his old master's desires provided positive reinforcement. So women just become faceless things to have sex with because it feels good. Given enough time, Tyrion could probably develop a solid foundation for his seduction tactics.

Edit: But Tyrion would totally be a rapist if a women refused.

[MiddleEarthRoze]

In terms of the sex, I would agree with Pirouette on that matter. After all, killing for him would be a form of passion; it would then make sense for him to partake in other forms of passion, such as debauchery. Not only that, but to force someone into celibacy and then make them retain that for the rest of their life - without your influence on them - Would be pretty much impossible. It is a carnal, physical thing that you can't evolve someone out of - so the sex - and rape - I do agree with.
However, in terms of him leaving the Dark Brotherhood, I doubt he would just be allowed to leave. A more likely thing to occur would be that he was presumed dead by the last member of the last DB sanctuary in Cyrodiil (Bravil, I think it was) - ergo, Cicero. With the rest of the group definitely dead, and Cicero definitely assuming that Tyrion was dead, that would make him dead in the eyes of the last santctuary. Also, what with the Dark Brotherhood falling, that could give him cause to leave. If he's the 'perfect assassin', he'd be able to work out when his group was going under.

[Leos Klien]

In terms of the sex, I would agree with Pirouette on that matter. After all, killing for him would be a form of passion; it would then make sense for him to partake in other forms of passion, such as debauchery. Not only that, but to force someone into celibacy and then make them retain that for the rest of their life - without your influence on them - Would be pretty much impossible. It is a carnal, physical thing that you can't evolve someone out of - so the sex - and rape - I do agree with.
However, in terms of him leaving the Dark Brotherhood, I doubt he would just be allowed to leave. A more likely thing to occur would be that he was presumed dead by the last member of the last DB sanctuary in Cyrodiil (Bravil, I think it was) - ergo, Cicero. With the rest of the group definitely dead, and Cicero definitely assuming that Tyrion was dead, that would make him dead in the eyes of the last santctuary. Also, what with the Dark Brotherhood falling, that could give him cause to leave. If he's the 'perfect assassin', he'd be able to work out when his group was going under.

@MiddleEarthRoze

I disagree, remember what happened If you broke one of the tenents then the Wraith of sithis hunted you down in your sleep and attacked, I imagine a similar occurrence would happen here, every night.
There's only such you can deal with, constantly staying half awake at the threat of being killed in your sleep, entually itd drive you into madness, or exhaustion would take hold and your fate sealed.
So, unless he has some ties remaining with the dark brotherhood and this being a special assignment or something, I can't agree with it.

[Taka]

Hmm, I'm loathe to accept anyone who was defected from the Darkbrotherhood as in reality one can't leave it, they only do once they die, merely vanishing one day would have them send their own assassins after you to ensure silence of anything you have learned.
However, since he technically didn't join the brotherhood but was trained since birth, much like the shadowscales then I suppose it might be a special circumstance.
On that note, since you were brought up from birth in the Darkbrotherhood, and that is the only life he has ever known it begs the question of why he left?
As well as that if they were trying to make the ultimate assassin, he'd be celibate, what use does he have for sex when he was designed only to take life?
He'd be more like a machine than he would be a man.

Anyway, they're just my thoughts on it, the other gm's will clear up any of their own points and we will convene if anything needs changing, other than that, it's a fairly decent sign up.
It'll be good to have another stealthy person In the group.

@Leos Klien

I haven't revealed his fully history so there is context missing. Especially on his escape. I never stated how long it has been since he broke free of the Brotherhood but his "leave" happened around the same time as that sects fall. There is meant to be spaces to be filled through actions and discussions throughout the rp itself. Also what says he has to be celibate? I don't see that. Plus in lore the Dark Brotherhood never blocked away sex, love or anything of that nature. Sithis himself had children and was "married" to the Night Mother, though not his own words. The Skyrim sect had a married couple. His training was purely to create the ultimate assassin but you mistake that he must be an emotionless void when the Brotherhood never was about that. Their tenets do not state and members openly throw their emotions around.

On topic of TDB: One, even a Shadowscale, does not leave The Dark Brotherhood without first greeting Sithis as they enter the Void. One of the many reasons the Last Shadowscale is in Skyrim is because for one: The Dark Brotherhood is all bet dead with the Dragonborn intervening as a Member, and secondly because with the fall of this Infamous collection the people who gave up their Hatchlings or wished to join the Order began to decide against it, due to the "Stay or Die" rule. Shadowscales became less popular because while in the old ages they were FORCED to be given up, in the later ages Parents could prevent them from being made to join The Dark Brotherhood.

Ultimately, even in it's decline, if he an assassin as you want him to be, he would be killed upon attempt at leaving. Shadowscales were the best of their kind, the most natural form of assassin trained as the ultimate assassins from birth, and even they could not escape the Wrath of Sithis.

On the topic of Carnal Relations: I must also agree with Leos on this, as it would be possible for him to develop desires, and moods towards certain sensations, he wouldn't just courting women as he goes, for the company of flesh without a reason. That fits more of a literature stereotype and character Archetype in other forms of stories, but with this, it would be rather out of place. He would need a reason to court, as in a time-period like that courting was a series matter and done right by men to honor what a woman truly was, especially in Skyrim when it comes to it's hardy lassies and stout Shield Maidens. Over all, a man trained from birth similarly to a Shadowscale would likely follow many of the same methods, including the renouncing of need for such petty desires and wills, and would be trained out of needing carnal relations. It would take him a few long decades to get the will, desire, and thoughts of such thing back properly.

This is just my set of points from my own knowledge and experience, not a full verdict. Roze gets that honor, as the Gm. ^^

@ManoftheNorth

Most of my points are up above but, Wrath of Sithis is never stated to be directly from the Sithis. Plus the Night Mother and the First Listener believed they heard his voice. When do Shadowscales enter the Void? I don't remember such a thing. Sithis has never actually made an appearance or spoke. No one enters the Void as it is what existed before Oblivion and everything but supposed to be where you go when you die as worshippers believe.

[Taka]

In terms of the sex, I would agree with Pirouette on that matter. After all, killing for him would be a form of passion; it would then make sense for him to partake in other forms of passion, such as debauchery. Not only that, but to force someone into celibacy and then make them retain that for the rest of their life - without your influence on them - Would be pretty much impossible. It is a carnal, physical thing that you can't evolve someone out of - so the sex - and rape - I do agree with.
However, in terms of him leaving the Dark Brotherhood, I doubt he would just be allowed to leave. A more likely thing to occur would be that he was presumed dead by the last member of the last DB sanctuary in Cyrodiil (Bravil, I think it was) - ergo, Cicero. With the rest of the group definitely dead, and Cicero definitely assuming that Tyrion was dead, that would make him dead in the eyes of the last santctuary. Also, what with the Dark Brotherhood falling, that could give him cause to leave. If he's the 'perfect assassin', he'd be able to work out when his group was going under.

@MiddleEarthRoze

That bolded part though

[Pirouette]

<Snipped quote by MiddleEarthRoze>

I disagree, remember what happened If you broke one of the tenents then the Wraith of sithis hunted you down in your sleep and attacked, I imagine a similar occurrence would happen here, every night.
There's only such you can deal with, constantly staying half awake at the threat of being killed in your sleep, entually itd drive you into madness, or exhaustion would take hold and your fate sealed.
So, unless he has some ties remaining with the dark brotherhood and this being a special assignment or something, I can't agree with it.

@Leos Klien

But wouldn't that threat weaken by the waning of strength the DB?

I mean if Sithis can't ensure the guild's survival, who's to say it can't track and torment one individual.

[MiddleEarthRoze]

Also, I'll be wanting a written description of Tyrion's appearance. Average height, facial features, etc. The pic is good, but somehat vague.

[Taka]

Also, I'll be wanting a written description of Tyrion's appearance. Average height, facial features, etc. The pic is good, but somehat vague.

@MiddleEarthRoze

Alright. I can give the details lacking. Not a problem.

[Leos Klien]

In terms of the sex, I would agree with Pirouette on that matter. After all, killing for him would be a form of passion; it would then make sense for him to partake in other forms of passion, such as debauchery. Not only that, but to force someone into celibacy and then make them retain that for the rest of their life - without your influence on them - Would be pretty much impossible. It is a carnal, physical thing that you can't evolve someone out of - so the sex - and rape - I do agree with.
However, in terms of him leaving the Dark Brotherhood, I doubt he would just be allowed to leave. A more likely thing to occur would be that he was presumed dead by the last member of the last DB sanctuary in Cyrodiil (Bravil, I think it was) - ergo, Cicero. With the rest of the group definitely dead, and Cicero definitely assuming that Tyrion was dead, that would make him dead in the eyes of the last santctuary. Also, what with the Dark Brotherhood falling, that could give him cause to leave. If he's the 'perfect assassin', he'd be able to work out when his group was going under.

@MiddleEarthRoze

It's not as simple as that, they can always detect and determine where their members are, as many Instances both in Skyrim and Oblivion have determined.
Their pact with Sithis and the night mother is eternal up until expiration of life, and Sithis, as well as the spectre of him would likely not wane, he is not like the Dawdric princes where the strength of the DB matches his own, he simply is, as well as this he doesn't prevent the dissolution of the DB, even though the Skyrim faction is remaining strong, irregardless of Ciceros plans; if the listener ever arises that is.
Sithis will still punish his own when they disobey, and whilst there is no evidence to suggest that the wraith if Sithis is aligned to him, even though it's name should suggest that it is, there is no proof to disprove that fact either.

In the end, I recommend that the Bio be modified to a more agreeable basis, one can be an assassian that is unaligned to the DB and still be as equally efficient, the Morang Tong are a perfect example, although, I do believe that one must be a Dunmer to be apart of that, I'm unsure of the specifics.