[OOC] World in Revolution: 1861 Mk II

[Pepperm1nts]

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[The Nexerus]

I'm on the IRC, if anyone capable of joining it is around.

[Ab]

Rare said
You're fighting over nothing but status and how 'realism' and 'unrealism' this game is. That isn't very 'adult' like and I say that you should stop before Ab ban hammers you both.

Stop using me as a weapon, they're fine.

[So Boerd]

Ab said
Stop using me as a weapon, they're fine.

Thoughts on the issue?

[Pepperm1nts]

If that thing about Austria's population being low is true, I wouldn't mind an increase too (for pop.). I looked it up but couldn't find anything, except that the Austrian Empire's population in 1800 was about 20 million.

I didn't continue the argument on Prussia's equipment level yesterday because I was afraid we'd flood the thread with it and get ban-hammered for it - but I did some research and am more willing to support a slight increase. I don't think Prussia's equipment should be the highest, or even second best. But maybe a slight increase might be acceptable. I do still believe equipment goes beyond just a good rifle, and I have more reason to believe the UK and France are more able to better equip their soldiers with all the necessities (ie: not just rifles) than Prussia. They simply have more resources to do it with.

[So Boerd]

Pepperm1nts said
If that thing about Austria's population being low is true, I wouldn't mind an increase too (for pop.). I looked it up but couldn't find anything, except that the Austrian Empire's population in 1800 was about 20 million.I didn't continue the argument on Prussia's equipment level yesterday because I was afraid we'd flood the thread with it and get ban-hammered for it - but I did some research and am more willing to support a slight increase. I don't think Prussia's equipment should be the highest, or even second best. But maybe a slight increase might be acceptable. I do still believe equipment goes beyond just a good rifle, and I have more reason to believe the UK and France are more able to better equip their soldiers with all the necessities (ie: not just rifles) than Prussia. They simply have more resources to do it with.

But they didn't. If they want to, they can use orders. Prussia already has. (improved equip)

[Pepperm1nts]

wut

[So Boerd]

Pepperm1nts said
wut

Having the resources=/=using them.

[Pepperm1nts]

But we are arguing for an increase before the first update is released. So.. like, a revision. An increase to the starting stats. We know they have a lot of resources because they have colonial empires. The same way you are arguing we should know Prussia has good equipment because we know they have the needle gun.

What I am saying is, sure, maybe we should give a slight equip. increase to Prussia. But because we know for a fact the UK and France have more resources, Prussia's equipment rating should still be lower than theirs.

[Dedonus]

I feel some tension between Austria and Prussia. Too bad this is OOC and not IC. :(

[KarneeKarnay]

Going to have to pull out. Work is demanding a lot more than usual and I just don't have the time. Have fun guys.

[Pepperm1nts]

That's too bad. See ya', and good luck.

I guess Rare's coming back in, then.

[So Boerd]

Pepperm1nts said
But we are arguing for an increase before the first update is released. So.. like, a revision. An increase to the starting stats. We know they have a lot of resources because they have colonial empires. The same way you are arguing we should know Prussia has good equipment because we know they have the needle gun. What I am saying is, sure, maybe we should give a slight equip. increase to Prussia. But because we know for a fact the UK and France have more resources, Prussia's equipment rating should still be lower than theirs.

You can't kill someone with a hunk of rubber. Have to make it into something and that takes orders.

[Pepperm1nts]

Equipment is not just things that kill. Soldiers need more than things that kill to survive. Things that they can be more easily supplied with if their governments have colonial empires.

[salamimike]

Pepperm1nts said
That's too bad. See ya', and good luck.I guess Rare's coming back in, then.

I though he was still banned?

[So Boerd]

Pepperm1nts said
Equipment is not just things that kill. Soldiers need more than things that kill to survive. Things that they can be more easily supplied with if their governments have colonial empires.

Such as...

[So Boerd]

Also, French colonial empire is pretty much a non-factor.

[salamimike]

So Boerd said
Such as...

I would guess he is talking of horses, food, water, uniforms, boots, ammunition, etc.

(Whoops ninja'd pep)

[Pepperm1nts]

Do I really have to go over all the things a military needs, besides guns? There's literally hundreds of things that soldiers need to help them survive on the long march. I purposely left it as a broad statement because I really can't be bothered to give you a giant list. Hell, even winter clothes, or just durable clothes in general, can be said to fall under the category of 'equipment'. Tools, shelter, things to cook with, materials to build with, medical equipment, ect. There are literally hundreds of things you could list before you even get to 'rifles' and 'artillery'.

@Sol: He asked to rejoin and Ab didn't seem to mind. He just said he'd have to wait until someone dropped out.

[So Boerd]

Prussia just buys those things in trade if it can't produce enough of them, which overwhelmingly it can. And it keeps quantities in strategic reserve. Meanwhile, French empire is a non-factor. Besides, Franco-Prussian war saw Prussia better supplied.