MRA Guild members

[Yog Sothoth]

Are there any members of the Guild who are Men's Rights Activists? I'm one and I'm curious to know if there's anyone else who is as well.

[Lucian]

I'm a general equality activist who doesn't push the agenda of any specific gender or minority.

[Vortex]

Lucian said
I'm a general equality activist who doesn't push the agenda of any specific gender or minority.

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[Yog Sothoth]

Lucian said
I'm a general equality activist who doesn't push the agenda of any specific gender or minority.

I was jus curious to know if there is anyone who was, there are some feminist forum posts

[Yog Sothoth]

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[Gwazi Magnum]

I'm a Gender Egalitarian, not an MRA nor a feminist.

Both movements hold the same issue with me, they focus exclusively on one sex and not the other.
Granted feminism are more in my bad books than MRA, but that's strictly because feminism constantly pulls shit like Feminist Frequency and Zoe Quinn while MRA tends to be rather quiet and civil. But I would still never identify or associate myself with either group.

[Kidd]

[Ace of Hearts]

M'lady.

[Vortex]

Kidd said

Let the battle begin

[aza]

I'm gonna endorse Kidd because I think it's funny

[Yog Sothoth]

Kidd said

If it's a meme battle you want then challenge accepted.

[Kidd]

Yog Sothoth said
If it's a meme battle you want then challenge accepted.

You literally just proved my point, lol. GG.

[Yog Sothoth]

Kidd said
You literally just proved my point, lol. GG.

So are you being serious about making fun of Men's Rights Activists? Because that's pretty misguided.

[Kidd]

Yog Sothoth said
So are you being serious about making fun of Men's Rights Activists? Because that's pretty misguided.

I'm just still waiting on the MRM to do something for men, but it spends its time bitching about how terrible feminism is instead. A majority of MRAs think the issues men deal with today are caused by women and/or feminism (hint hint, they're not). I invested time in the movement for about a week before I realized how backwards it was. And most of the issues they talk about are things feminism is trying to fix anyway.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Kidd said I'm just still waiting on the MRM to do something for men, but it spends its time bitching about how terrible feminism is instead. A majority of MRAs think the issues men deal with today are caused by women and/or feminism (hint hint, they're not). I invested time in the movement for about a week before I realized how backwards it was. And most of the issues they talk about are things feminism is trying to fix anyway.

Just swap the places you use MRA and Feminism and it would be just as true. :/
A lot of MRA is just arguing against feminist, true. But a lot of feminism is also just arguing MRA.

Where outside of where they are simply fighting one another I've tended to see the following.

MRA

You get the rare person who actually has something out for women.
But the rest tend to be people who are either:

a) Gender Egalitarian in practice, but adopted MRA in retaliation to try to counter the damage feminism causes.
b) Gender Egalitarian in practice, but in the way that they claim to be both MRA and Feminist.
c) Were generally not involved in social justice issues until feminist start something like Feministfrequency or Zoe Quinns 5 guys. Essentially attacking people with no base, arguments or proof so they essentially became MRA to defend what is being unfairly attacked (this one is basically just arguing feminism, but I felt it deserved a distinction cause it's doing so in defense of something being attacked. Not out of a pure vendetta for feminism).

Feminism

You get the rare (unless if you're on the internet, then it's common, abundant if on Tumblr) feminist who has something out for men, and any woman who doesn't fit their personal standards.
But the rest tend to be people who are either:

a) Gender Egalitarian in practice, but in the way that they claim to be both MRA and Feminist.
b) Uses the term out of some sort of loyalty to 1st and 2nd wave Feminism.
c) Are Gender Egalitarian in practice, but were tricked by a feminist into thinking that Modern Feminism actually means Gender Equality.

C I find being the most common because most of the Internet wars that feminism is involved in today is unknown to the general public upon introduction to feminism. Most people's only real point of reference at the time is feminisms history, so naturally they go "Oh wow, feminists were awesome back then! I bet there awesome now too, sign me up!" and then either simply adopt the name of feminist and then continue with their daily life. Or get more into it, but because they're first impression of feminism was gender equality they tend to react to most criticisms or disagreements with third wave feminism as simply being people "Not understanding feminism".

And note I say this as someone who when I first got involved in these issues regarded myself as a Feminist for a while. But then after a few years of noticing all the flaws with feminism, I switched to MRA briefly in an attempt to try to counteract the harm that third wave feminism is causing. But very soon after deciding that was a redundant and backwards way of thinking about and tackling the issue I decided to switch to becoming a Gender Egalitarian.

[Kidd]

Magic Magnum said
Just swap the places you use MRA and Feminism and it would be just as true. :/
A lot of MRA is just arguing against feminist, true. But a lot of feminism is also just arguing MRA.

That's not true. Feminism stands alone, whether or not MRAs are around to bitch about. The MRM is literally a counter movement to feminism. It's equivalent to "allies" demanding recognition in the LGBTAQ+ community. Or white people claiming they're oppressed because minorities are finally being given equal opportunities. It's literally, "this isn't about me for once so I'm going to throw a tantrum."

On top of that, feminism continues to push for women's rights. Men have been assaulted, murdered, raped, and denied opportunities (see Boy Scouts, Ferguson, prisons, gay rights) by other men but instead of talking about this, MRAs continue to whine about how feminism is hurting straight white men. The MRM insists too much on discussing how women are oppressing men when it's men oppressing men. I've never ONCE seen these issues breached by a MRA unless it was to somehow twist the finger back at feminism.

Magic Magnum said
And note I say this as someone who when I first got involved in these issues regarded myself as a Feminist for a while. But then after a few years of noticing all the flaws with feminism, I switched to MRA briefly in an attempt to try to counteract the harm that third wave feminism is causing. But very soon after deciding that was a redundant and backwards way of thinking about and tackling the issue I decided to switch to becoming a Gender Egalitarian.

My POV of view comes from being resistant to both sides at first. The MRM has continued to push me away, but feminism has grown to make more and more sense to me especially as I continue with my education in the academic and professional world. I've already talked about my experience in anthropology with you, and one of the things we discuss in cultural anthropology is womens' rights, so my experience goes beyond googling statistics and arguing on the internet. (The MRM isn't even worth mentioning in academia on top of this.) Modern feminism does have a lot of issues, but a lot of those issues are found primarily with what I refer to as "white feminism" in which, yeah, a lot of white feminists are toxic and apathetic toward issues that affect all women (trans, queer, minority, etc).

And I'm not going to discuss what we've "seen" from both sides or whatever nor am I going to discuss what you've seen. You're going to find a mix of extremism, moderation, hate, and tolerance no matter where you are and the mix will be different depending on who you talk to. To make my point, you earlier said that MRAs are typically more "civil," though most of my personal experience would counter that.

To reiterate my overall point, the MRM is men expressing issues with how men are treated. Men are treated in these ways primarily by other men. But feminism becomes the scapegoat even though it already has, is, and continues to take a stand against these exact issues. Example: the MRM blames feminism for false rape accusations because they think women use it to gain power over men. However, feminism takes just as much issue with false rape accusations because they affect how seriously rape victims are taken. Feminism stands by women. The MRM blames feminism instead of standing by men.

I feel ridiculous even discussing the MRM, to be honest, so I'll try to refrain from posting more. (Though I tried really, really hard not to post that meme to begin with, so lol.)

[Yog Sothoth]

Kidd said
I'm just still waiting on the MRM to do something for men, but it spends its time bitching about how terrible feminism is instead. A majority of MRAs think the issues men deal with today are caused by women and/or feminism (hint hint, they're not). I invested time in the movement for about a week before I realized how backwards it was. And most of the issues they talk about are things feminism is trying to fix anyway.

I have to disagree, most mra dislike feminism because of the hateful statements that the radicals say, hints the term feminnazi. I have been part of Men's Rights groups for a long time and almost every single complaint that we make either has to do with inequalities that men have that feminists love to say doesn't exist, or the hateful things that misandrists say, misandry is a real thing. Also we have a good number of women who are Men's Rights Activists and we treat them with great respect. If you look at MRA without biased opinions then you'll see that most of their comments against feminism has proper reasons.

[Kidd]

Yog Sothoth said
I have to disagree, most mra dislike feminism because of the hateful statements that the radicals say, hints the term feminnazi. I have been part of Men's Rights groups for a long time and almost every single complaint that we make either has to do with inequalities that men have that feminists love to say doesn't exist, or the hateful things that misandrists say, misandry is a real thing. Also we have a good number of women who are Men's Rights Activists and we treat them with great respect. If you look at MRA without biased opinions then you'll see that most of their comments against feminism has proper reasons.

"Feminazi" is not okay to term to use and the MRAs who use it instantly lose what little respect they had. It equates a fight for equal rights with the ethnocide committed during WWII. This is not only disrespectful to feminists (boo hoo, though because), it's EXTREMELY disrespectful and insensitive to people who were persecuted by the Nazis (Jews, blacks, LGBT+, disabled people, etc). Stop using it. If you have a problem with a feminist being too extreme, call him or her extreme. Not a fucking Nazi.

As for misandry, whether or not it exists, it has roots in misogyny.

As for the MRA treating women with respect...Only if their opinions align. I said it once already, but I was briefly aligned with the MRA. I was respected so long as I conformed to the opinion, but when I voiced opinions they didn't like, that respect was gone. Same applies to men who are deemed "manginas" for not aligning with the MRM.

And I'll repeat: "I feel ridiculous even discussing the MRM, to be honest, so I'll try to refrain from posting more. (Though I tried really, really hard not to post that meme to begin with, so lol.)" So peace.

[Gwazi Magnum]

There's a reason that although I disagree with the practice/concept of MRA that they are still far better in my books than feminism is. :P

[Yog Sothoth]

Kidd said
"Feminazi" is not okay to term to use and the MRAs who use it instantly lose what little respect they had. It equates a fight for equal rights with the ethnocide committed during WWII. This is not only disrespectful to feminists (boo hoo, though because), it's EXTREMELY disrespectful and insensitive to people who were persecuted by the Nazis (Jews, blacks, LGBT+, disabled people, etc). Stop using it. If you have a problem with a feminist being too extreme, call him or her extreme. Not a fucking Nazi.As for misandry, whether or not it exists, it has roots in misogyny.As for the MRA treating women with respect...Only if their opinions align. I said it once already, but I was briefly aligned with the MRA. I was respected so long as I conformed to the opinion, but when I voiced opinions they didn't like, that respect was gone. Same applies to men who are deemed "manginas" for not aligning with the MRM. And I'll repeat: "I feel ridiculous even discussing the MRM, to be honest, so I'll try to refrain from posting more. (Though I tried really, really hard not to post that meme to begin with, so lol.)" So peace.

Dude that's no excuse to hate on a group, it's like excusing bullying because most bullies are the way they are because of how they've been treated. Also if feminists are going to call the men's rights movement racist which they do a lot then calling someone who wants to control every aspect of what men can do and make threats of male genocide a feminazi is not too far off the mark.

Also if you don't see a problem with how feminists never come to aid of men when the radicals are spouting their hateful bullshit then you might as well say that bullying is okay depending on who the victim is.