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You know, I never looked into Van Buren all too deeply until I read your article, Aaron, and I have to say that it seems like a perfect opportunity for some nation to come in and try to tame many dogs/breed them and use their pups for a special K9 military unit. Lunar Guard members could have gone in and set up baited cages with which to lure and abduct dogs, then the cages could have been retrieved and brought to a special containment area where a handler would see what they could do with them.

Another option could be to say that the slaver band moved in after the Legion fell and had the means to secure the town and turn it into a base of operations, and they had been there all the time up to the point Solarians moved in and took the city for themselves.

Either one works, I'm just looking for feedback
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In the course of my research on British political heritage, I've just learned from reputable and well-reasoned sources that today there are thousands of frankly ordinary blokes (to say nothing of the hundreds of unimportant nobles higher up) in the line of succession. Therefore, it is not only posssible, but probable that the Dominion found in its early years a legitimate king to exercise monarchial powers, to say nothing of any charlatans showing up with vellum proving descent from Sophia of Hannover.


I wouldn't say 'probable', but I guess it's possible. You do need to consider the Great War wiping out not only a lot of people, but a lot of information too. Most people don't even know what the old United States was like, let alone what some foreign nation may have been like. Hell, most people outside of NCR may not even really understand the concept of nations, or governments beyond simple chieftains and the like. So the average wastelander wouldn't even know a place called the 'United Kingdom' existed, and that it had a monarchy. They wouldn't know of any distant claims, or have any proof to back it. On top of all the widespread destruction and loss of records, you need to add in the fact that a lot of time has passed since the bombs. Enough time for distant claims to have been forgotten, or lost when those making them perished. This is if they survive the bombs at all.

Not to mention the average person isn't dwelling on some super-distant claim they may or may not have, especially considering that no one (besides House, I guess) truly foresaw the bombs. The 'ordinary blokes', as you said, probably weren't expecting to ever become anything more than ordinary people. They weren't sitting around dwelling on these extremely distant claims they may or may not have had, because even if they did had the claim, it would be so distant their chances of ascending to royalty were zero. This stuff probably wasn't in their minds. It'd be a story that, at best, gets told at family reunions and no one takes seriously. Pretty much grandma saying "Did you know our family is in line for the throne?" and everyone giggling because she's grandma and her mind is frail. This makes the likelihood that these 'ordinary blokes' survived the war to make good on their claim very small, since most of them probably wouldn't even know about it, or may have not even taken it serious. Especially if these ordinary people lived in pre-war America, where these claims would have meant even less to their families.

If you were to say that a noble was serving with the Royal Navy and ended up surviving the war, though, then yeah, sure. Everyone on the ship would have known him. His claim would be indisputable and certainly in the noble's mind. It's possible the ship crews supported him and he became king of some radioactive ashes shortly after the ships made landfall. But some ordinary, American wastelander being found, or showing up, to claim some distant claim that his pre-war American family somehow knew about, and for whatever reason saved records of - records which then somehow survived the Great War and were passed down to surviving members of the family - is.. well, not very likely.

So either a noble was aboard one of the ships and was proclaimed king early on because everyone knew of his descent, or some ghoul who used to be royalty/nobility ended up saving up proof of his claim and somehow ended up cashing it in with the sailors stranded in the Americas. If the latter, then he'd either still be king, or died without a biological heir since ghouls can't breed. He may have named someone else king, though, I guess.
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That's why I said in the immediate aftermath of the war. Once basic survival was taken care of in the West Indies, a task requiring a year, tops, our intrepid British sailors had 14-24 years of nuclear fuel to sail around the world looking for useful things like HMS Victory, USS Texas, and records which prove the rightful reign of the king they crowned on the boat. The political stability, morale and legitimacy that a proven monarch would provide would be invaluable. To say nothing of the help he could provide in using royal prerogatives (essentially unlimited at this point, as all the apparatuses of administering statute law are gone) to restructure and adapt the West Indies government to its new, sovereign level.
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Nexerus - You're good. Although as a warning I have received a personal complaint, but I don't want to treat it as grounds of refusal.

Boerd - Frankly after the events of Nuclear Armageddon it doesn't matter what the lineage of someone is. The ultimate decider of titles such as kings or Emperor - in a practical sense at least - is whether or not people are willing to recognize him as that. So he doesn't really *need* the records, nor does he *need* to claim the UK.

In the interests of imposing post-Feudal politics and 19th century romantic idealism you could try to go out of your way to say they're willing to take over stuff if there was a British flag planted there. But post-bombs the old monarchy would be so far removed from the new reality it wouldn't matter. They'd just want a leader at that point. So no use in trying to say he's a descendant of William the Conqueror.
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To be sure, the monarchy doesn't matter anymore, but to our gents in the Royal Navy a year after the calamity, returning to normal is of paramount importance. Having a king 200+ years after is irrelevant. I'm just explaining why and what thought went through their heads 2078 such that there is still a king. Rightly or wrongly, in 2078 they thought they needed a king for the reasons described.
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Finding any proof of succession amid radioactive ruins and scorched earth would be pretty much impossible, even with a decade to do it. Most things were destroyed during the Great War. Records like the ones you'd need need would be pretty much gone. It's more likely these people crowned a king with very limited "proof" of his lineage, and that it was an act of necessity more than anything. With the unlikelihood of finding any of the information they'd need (since said proof would be destroyed along with most of everything not in a vault), using up their limited supply of fuel to search for it would be a massive waste, to say the least. If you want this to happen mostly out of necessity for order and someone to guide them in the early days, as you said, then it's more likely they'd just pick the very first person that looked fit and had as much as a rumor backing their claim. They wouldn't spend resources on something they may not find if their intention really is to get someone up and in charge for the sake of guidance.
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I think i'm just gonna redo my sheet entirely, and go with what Pep said. A army of slaves who have nowhere to go.
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Need for proof obviated. Well-known royal was crowned.
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CourierSix said
You know, I never looked into Van Buren all too deeply until I read your article, Aaron, and I have to say that it seems like a perfect opportunity for some nation to come in and try to tame many dogs/breed them and use their pups for a special K9 military unit. Lunar Guard members could have gone in and set up baited cages with which to lure and abduct dogs, then the cages could have been retrieved and brought to a special containment area where a handler would see what they could do with them.Another option could be to say that the slaver band moved in after the Legion fell and had the means to secure the town and turn it into a base of operations, and they had been there all the time up to the point Solarians moved in and took the city for themselves.Either one works, I'm just looking for feedback


Sorry for the delay, and K-9 Units look badass!
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Also, sheet updated
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K-9 Units look badass!


I agree. Not only that, but they have excellent law enforcement applications and can even be used on government-funded salvaging parties to detect any hostile entity lurking nearby. I think they would serve as a great plot device for the Solarian law enforcement, which I plan to make very efficient, and they would also provide more diveristy to the nation's military, which I intentionally made diverse solely for the fact that having so many military divisions can create interesting scenarios.
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Agreed with you on that. SIgh, if only Chris Avellone did not decide to make Horses extinct.
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Letter Bee said
Agreed with you on that. SIgh, if only Chris Avellone did not decide to make Horses extinct.


He never said anything about donkeys.
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Sorry for the delay, and, he did imply that donkeys survived for a while, but then went extinct later.
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Dawww... Why does Avellone hate equestrian species so much????
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Avellone hates the idea of civilization rebuilding, and wanted things to be worse; he even thought the NCR was a mistake, and the Wasteland should have stayed a wasteland.
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*Le sigh*

Oh well. Nothing we can do about that. Anyways, I'm dying to already get involved with another nation, but the RP is still starting up, and I'm not exactly close to anyone. I'm pretty impatient when it comes to anything roleplay.
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Me too; sorry for the delay.
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You don't need to keep apologizing for late replies, it's perfectly fine. I've introduced the fact that the Solarians love to send scouts long distances away, so maybe we can come up with a reason for some to head up towards Klamath.
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Squee! That would be awesome!
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