[OOC] [Ranked] Four Way: Convergence of Power

[Rilla]

Liaison would be all -looks at Skallagrim- one of yours?

Then offer him a job. ;D

[DJAtomika]

Liaison would be all -looks at Skallagrim- one of yours?

Then offer him a job. ;D

@Rilla

I like that.

[MelonHead]

I'd probably disagree, in terms of Marvel's Thor he would sit somewhere around T-7/8 so certainly in high powered, but not god tier.

Gods in this tier system are gods in a very literal sense of being able to do -anything- pretty much.

For reference sake, my character Kaelin is T9 using the old system, in that his only constraint is pretty much that he has a finite amount of energy (though in his case, it is the energy of an entire solar system, star and all.) He would be considered High powered (right on the upper edge) but not god tier.

[Willy Vereb]

I'd probably disagree, in terms of Marvel's Thor he would sit somewhere around T-7/8 so certainly in high powered, but not god tier.

Gods in this tier system are gods in a very literal sense of being able to do -anything- pretty much.

For reference sake, my character Kaelin is T9 using the old system, in that his only constraint is pretty much that he has a finite amount of energy (though in his case, it is the energy of an entire solar system, star and all.) He would be considered High powered (right on the upper edge) but not god tier.

@MelonHead

Can you break down the "current" tier system to me in a better detail?
It seems for some reason near-every character is in the high ends of street level. Also barring characters who grind on speed, apparently matching a car in velocity is considered impressive.
That...doesn't leave too much freedom in regards of matches.

[MelonHead]

<Snipped quote by MelonHead>Can you break down the "current" tier system to me in a better detail?
It seems for some reason near-every character is in the high ends of street level. Also barring characters who grind on speed, apparently matching a car in velocity is considered impressive.
That...doesn't leave too much freedom in regards of matches.

@Willy Vereb

The current system is literally

Unpowered: So anything within human capabilities (guns haven't been fit into this properly yet, as using a gun is within human capabilities, but the damage it causes is way above human capable attacks.)

Powered: This is the broad category where most characters sit, and due to the hard to categorize nature of magic etc we've broadened it to make it easier to fit a lot of different characters together. I like to think of the sub categories within powered as

Low Powered: This is where your vampiric and other super-natural entities -tend- to sit, heightened beyond human physical characteristics, fairly weak forms of magic, etc.

Mid Powered: By far the broadest category, this can range from low level destruction to street level IMO, though quantifying characters is pretty much impossible, you just have to judge each case by case.

High Powered: Street edging towards city level destruction. The category after this is somewhat unhelpfully 'God' so I consider anything up to but before a god in this category.

God

As with everything, all subjective.

The reason why most of the characters in the character challenge thread are the same is because people tend to edge up their competition or match it. After the first few characters were thrown down I dropped a relatively powerful mid-tier character and everyone from that point on matched it to ensure they wouldn't be outdone, essentially. If you were to ask people however I'm sure they have a wide range of tiered characters for you to fight at a request. I quite like to play lower tiers for example.

[Willy Vereb]

Unpowered: So anything within human capabilities (guns haven't been fit into this properly yet, as using a gun is within human capabilities, but the damage it causes is way above human capable attacks.)

@MelonHead

That's completely bullshit.
a sword or hell even an arrow does more damage than most bullets. The only difference is that guns are easier to use and their bullets are faster.
There are still countless ways you can fight a gunner, especially in a fictional setting.
At worst you have to separate this to low and high tiers.
A guy armed to the teeth AND skilled in various martial arts would be unfair against somebody who only has either of these two.

Powered: This is the broad category where most characters sit, and due to the hard to categorize nature of magic etc we've broadened it to make it easier to fit a lot of different characters together. I like to think of the sub categories within powered as

Low Powered: This is where your vampiric and other super-natural entities -tend- to sit, heightened beyond human physical characteristics, fairly weak forms of magic, etc.

Mid Powered: By far the broadest category, this can range from low level destruction to street level IMO, though quantifying characters is pretty much impossible, you just have to judge each case by case.

High Powered: Street edging towards city level destruction. The category after this is somewhat unhelpfully 'God' so I consider anything up to but before a god in this category.

Um, low and street level destruction is practically the same.
Unpowered dudes with modern weapons are already this level, the only difference is how much resources and effort is spent.
You can set up a C4 to blow up a reinforced door while the Powered dude can do the same with a lazy kick.
Also city level destruction is about 12 orders of magnitudes higher than typical street level power. Perhaps you'd rather quantify that as the broadest category here.

Anyways, your opinion seems to conflict with @Rilla's idea for "mid tier" a bit.
I like your way of explaining it more, though.

The reason why most of the characters in the character challenge thread are the same is because people tend to edge up their competition or match it. After the first few characters were thrown down I dropped a relatively powerful mid-tier character and everyone from that point on matched it to ensure they wouldn't be outdone, essentially. If you were to ask people however I'm sure they have a wide range of tiered characters for you to fight at a request. I quite like to play lower tiers for example.

That much is given.
But if the majority of the characters are "low tier" it worries me considerably because it tells something about the overall freedom and imagination in these.
Granted, I sure haven't read all matches and you can obviously have fun with low tier exchanges.
I just feel this kind of overpresentation throttles down all the other efforts.
Hearing stuff like anybody thinking that guns are OP doesn't help in my belief on this front.
Seriously, how many fiction people watched/read? I may be slightly overexposed to them because for a year I used to have nothing to do but it still doesn't take a genius figure things out.
To sum it up this is starting to bother me a bit.
On a different note I just figured out the perfect candidate for this game.

[LeeRoy]

Did you just ask him a question and then correct his answer, when you yourself didn't know the answer?

[Rilla]

It would probably be better if you had a couple fights to see how the tiers actually work. For as long as we've had them, we've had little issue with everything balancing out.

[Skallagrim]

I think everyone tries to scale fights to be fair. No one stifles creativity, it is encouraged.

[Vordak]

Freedom and imagination? Sorry, but when the hell did that become a privilege of the high-tier characters?

As for your dissatisfaction with the current tier system, it is only natural. As i see it, we have opted to much more simplified system than before in favor of actually comapring the characters themselves rather than using the tier system as a transitional unit.

[MelonHead]

Willy, you are wrong or have misinterpreted everything I've said on every one of those points, and really I don't see it as a worthwhile task to argue with you on any of them. Though I'd have thought continuously (basically shouting) THIS IS ALL SUBJECTIVE AND UP TO INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATION DON'T TAKE THIS AS GOSPEL ETC ETC, probably would have deterred you from trying to correct everything I'm saying.

I'm not sure why you seem to think a sword or a bow is a human attack, pretty sure they are tools, though if you honestly believe either is comparable to a gun there's literally no helping you.

As for how much fiction I've read, plenty, but I like to think my two years of studying history at university level are probably more useful references for the historical effectiveness of weaponry.

That's all the argument I'm allowing myself, I have a feeling it will fall on deaf ears.

Also, for the love of god choose a different form of formatting, your text is annoying.

[Willy Vereb]

@RillaIIRC you said the game has the 4 participants.
When do you plan to start this match? Or is there some other complication to prevent you?
Also this is a bit of bump. Maybe its better if we don't forget this thread.

[Rilla]

Sorting out the last issue sometime today then all shall be set.

[Willy Vereb]

@RillaEhm, wouldn't want to bug you about this but I still wonder, how's the game going?
Did somebody quit?
Who are the players who were willing to participate in this match to begin with.
Or should I consider this idea being abandoned?
Well, I am busy now and don't mind if this game is canceled.
Though I'll also keep playing if there's a chance for this to start.
I just want a bit of confirmation here.

[Rilla]

Finishing up the last bit of stuff with one of the contestants, which I suppose I can reveal now.

@Melonhead, Currently #1 on the Rankings
@GreivousKhan, new to the rankings, but not the Arena
@LeeRoy, currently #4 on the rankings
@Willy Vereb, none other than yourself.

[Alphakoka]

@Melonhead, Currently #1 on the Rankings
@GreivousKhan, new to the rankings, but not the Arena
@LeeRoy, currently #4 on the rankings
@Willy Vereb, none other than yourself.

@Rilla

I can see the arguing from here. :D

[Rilla]

You and me both.

[Skallagrim]

Yep. Should be an interesting four-way

[Willy Vereb]

Finishing up the last bit of stuff with one of the contestants, which I suppose I can reveal now.

@Melonhead, Currently #1 on the Rankings
@GreivousKhan, new to the rankings, but not the Arena
@LeeRoy, currently #4 on the rankings
@Willy Vereb, none other than yourself.

@Rilla

That's great!
Albeit I thought I'd be up against new players.
Oh well, this is actually better. I do have a lots of RP battle experience from the past, albeit I can't say the same for the style used here.
Well, not like you do something drastically differently here so hopefully I'll adapt without any issues.

[LeeRoy]

Coolio.