[OOC] [Ranked] Four Way: Convergence of Power

[Willy Vereb]

Khan's character's entire set of apparel (which from the reference seems to cover a huge amount of his body) is nigh on indestructible at 50x the durability of Kevlar, so yeah, there is a slight issue there.

His character also has a power that literally negates water magic, that sounds like a slightly bullshit power considering this character was made post everyone elses being revealed.

@MelonHead

I believe the character was made when everybody else's, weeks in advance and in a PM to Rilla.
Unless he made edit to the character and included some new abilities but it's unlikely. Guess we may want to wait for Rilla to confirm things.
Technically the water shield seems to require at least one prep and can only last for 5 "turns" and can be broken by charging an attack as prepped up as the shield.

Also I really-really can't see why would a 10 or even 50 times kevlar durability clothing an issue when we are powered characters who semi-regularly make craters, destroy wall sections or perform similar acts of destruction. Sure, it'll be bulletproof and may help withtand indirect explosions like hand grenades but that's about it.

[GreivousKhan]

Khan's character's entire set of apparel (which from the reference seems to cover a huge amount of his body) is nigh on indestructible at 50x the durability of Kevlar, so yeah, there is a slight issue there.

His character also has a power that literally negates water magic, that sounds like a slightly bullshit power considering this character was made post everyone elses being revealed.

@MelonHead

Well to be straight, his great coat is woven of this materiel. So his head/neck, arms, chest, and legs so hardly his entire body. Also the coat offers no protection against raw blunt trauma.

Also, the latter complaint is taken out of context. It does not negate water magic, it blocks against attack of that element of equal prep...you know...like most defenses of energy would? I had this character in mind before I knew this was even up, when I posted him and looked over the other characters I thought about removing that skull for that reason. But, decided to keep it.

[GreivousKhan]

I actually notice I included clothing in the armor section. Anyway, this armor is based of a real world equivalent ( mad of spider silk), and just about every character here can power through it with ease. (I actually thought it to be among the lighter armors atm.) o.o

[MelonHead]

<Snipped quote by MelonHead>I believe the character was made when everybody else's, weeks in advance and in a PM to Rilla.
Unless he made edit to the character and included some new abilities but it's unlikely. Guess we may want to wait for Rilla to confirm things.
Technically the water shield seems to require at least one prep and can only last for 5 "turns" and can be broken by charging an attack as prepped up as the shield.

Also I really-really can't see why would a 10 or even 50 times kevlar durability clothing an issue when we are powered characters who semi-regularly make craters, destroy wall sections or perform similar acts of destruction. Sure, it'll be bulletproof and may help withtand indirect explosions like hand grenades but that's about it.

@Willy Vereb

Well, it certainly hard counters my character. The ability to completely negate her only offensive ability while also being near immune to the piercing attacks she could launch while charging makes it highly unlikely Anna could hurt him.

Not every higher tier character inherently has lazer beams or explosive attacks, many use simple piercing attacks and physical force, both of which are easily negated by something with 50x the (original? Kevlar only stops one attack but I'm guessing that's not how this works) durability of Kevlar. It's worth pointing out that Kevlar on its own is roughly five times as durable as steel, so 50x that essentially means Khan's character is as tough as someone wearing steel on his body of a rough thickness of 50x however thick his cloak is x5(say half an inch, to be generous) this means he's essentially as durable as a 125 inch thick steel wall. I don't know how strong -your- character is, but that is damn near indestructible for mine.

I'm not saying we can't bullshit our way through it in T1, but logically as it stands that armour is as strong as a 125 inch thick steel wall, I think that could probably stop a nuke.

[Rilla]

The issue, I think, when it comes to Kjan's characters is usually the way he writes them they appear, and often are, quite strong. It's why I always liken them to level bosses, it's what they are suited for. Hahah.

Also, no, his character was given to me a while after you lot did. I've actually been given three characters from Khan. Lolol.

[Willy Vereb]

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Well, it certainly hard counters my character. The ability to completely negate her only offensive ability while also being near immune to the piercing attacks she could launch while charging makes it highly unlikely Anna could hurt him.

Not every higher tier character inherently has lazer beams or explosive attacks, many use simple piercing attacks and physical force, both of which are easily negated by something with 50x the (original? Kevlar only stops one attack but I'm guessing that's not how this works) durability of Kevlar. It's worth pointing out that Kevlar on its own is roughly five times as durable as steel, so 50x that essentially means Khan's character is as tough as someone wearing steel on his body of a rough thickness of 50x however thick his cloak is x5(say half an inch, to be generous) this means he's essentially as durable as a 125 inch thick steel wall. I don't know how strong -your- character is, but that is damn near indestructible for mine.

I'm not saying we can't bullshit our way through it in T1, but logically as it stands that armour is as strong as a 125 inch thick steel wall, I think that could probably stop a nuke.

@MelonHead

Actually, Kevlar is pretty much useless against piercing attacks and perhaps more or less the same could be said about this cloth.
A knife or a sharpened blade would find the gaps between the threads and push through them.

[MelonHead]

<Snipped quote by MelonHead>Actually, Kevlar is pretty much useless against piercing attacks and perhaps more or less the same could be said about this cloth.
A knife or a sharpened blade would find the gaps between the threads and push through them.

@Willy Vereb

It only says the durability of Kevlar, it says nothing about having the same physical properties beyond durability, or like I said it would be useless after one big impact.

[GreivousKhan]

Not sure why you find the water ward a problem, it takes two entire preps to make. (the entire time of which I need one hand free) Which can still be broken through by a high prepped attack. (Which is how the prep system was designed for.)

Sorry if it seems like he was somehow made to target your character (which he wasn't), but I liked the dynamic of the Burnt one and Drown child. Anyway, as I said, only his great coat has that protection. (and piercing attacks against a corpse would hardly be effective anyway. And undead is always how I role. Heh, get it?) She controls water, make a mace or throw a tree. :K

Plus, if I wanted to use former knowledge of the character sheets to my advantage. I'd hardly have made an undead when one of the PC's uses nothing, but divine magic. (and is ironically a good hard counter to my PC.) Still hardly something I'd complain about though, just makes the fight more interesting.

[Rilla]

He isn't using kevlar, though, it was mainly an example of how strong in comparison it is to the real world substance.

This is good, you lot can sort through everything.

[GreivousKhan]

He isn't using kevlar, though, it was mainly an example of how strong in comparison it is to the real world substance.

This is good, you lot can sort through everything.

@Rilla

Lazy judge.

You planned this all along of course. Still all things considered I can't blame you for it this time. :P

[Rilla]

In part, I did. I was always gonna let you lot get a final say in the characters, in case anything was missed.

[MelonHead]

I'm not really seeing the 'why would I use undead when divine enemy in game' argument, there is literally no mention anywhere of anyone having an ability with greater effect against undead. Willy's character has magic divine in origin, but that doesn't mean anything, Hades is a 'divine' in that same respect, do you think his powers would be somehow super-effective against undead considering his sphere of influence? The only slight mention of being super effective against undead is an ability which has elements of the sun, making it super effective against 'certain enemies' presumably people with a weakness to the sun, such as Vampires.

I'm not seeing any particular 'hard counter' here, certainly not in the same level as 'uber water shield'.

[Willy Vereb]

Well, Alicia's energy attacks are searing hot first and divine second.
Even though she learned healing people before she ever managed to project energy blasts.
Or in case my barrier, it's a nondescript invisible field of force first and maybe divine second.
I doubt my normal non-charged punches are anything more than at least hundreds of kilonewtons of concentrated pain, either.

[MelonHead]

'Divine' doesn't really mean anything unless you say it is directly hostile towards a certain type of character, which is why in my sheets I specify my character is weak to 'holy' magic specifically because it feels like a better term for magic which is against the undead and demons in most fantasy.

[Willy Vereb]

'Divine' doesn't really mean anything unless you say it is directly hostile towards a certain type of character, which is why in my sheets I specify my character is weak to 'holy' magic specifically because it feels like a better term for magic which is against the undead and demons in most fantasy.

@MelonHead

Well, my energies might be harmful to unholy elements but far from being their Kryptonite.
It may hurt more for an undead or help to repel the shroud of darkness surrounding my immediate area but nothing seriously out of the ordinary.
It won't just inexplicable pass through "evil" barriers or banish demons.
If anything characters vulnerable to fire and/or searing light are more in danger.

[GreivousKhan]

Whether you see the argument is beside the point.

The point here is, does not an equal prepped defense defeat an equal prepped attack.

Anyway, I don't much care either way, if it makes you happy, I'll just give drowned child defensive capabilities similar to the Field Emitter. (Just in the shape of single directional shield/ward, but still needed the shame restrictions for use)

So it wont be specifying water now. Even though that would technically make it more flexible, seeing as before it did not block the kinetic energy within an water based attack, or any debris that would have been in it.

Oddly, The fire shields, and sonic wards were never talked about.

[MelonHead]

Whether you see the argument is beside the point.

The point here is, does not an equal prepped defense defeat an equal prepped attack.

Anyway, I don't much care either way, if it makes you happy, I'll just give drowned child defensive capabilities similar to the Field Emitter. (Just in the shape of single directional shield/ward, but still needed the shame restrictions for use)

So it wont be specifying water now. Even though that would technically make it more flexible, seeing as before it did not block the kinetic energy within an water based attack, or any debris that would have been in it.

Oddly, The fire shields, and sonic wards were never talked about.

@GreivousKhan

Having a resistance to fire and to a lesser extent sound are realistic defences for an undead, water and ice are pretty much the shittiest abilities to use on your standard undead. You're already immune to drowning and you can hardly freeze to death, so I don't really understand what you mean by 'it did not block the kinetic energy' that's ultimately all water attacks are in the majority of fantasy.

A lot of characters have resistances to fire, I don't think I can think of a single one with resistance to water that isn't a water based character, so it felt awfully convenient to me.

[GreivousKhan]

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Having a resistance to fire and to a lesser extent sound are realistic defences for an undead, water and ice are pretty much the shittiest abilities to use on your standard undead. You're already immune to drowning and you can hardly freeze to death, so I don't really understand what you mean by 'it did not block the kinetic energy' that's ultimately all water attacks are in the majority of fantasy.

@MelonHead

You lack imagination if you can't see how water reaching/breaching could mess up someone who uses a liquid to move and fight.

Anyway, it was mostly to have a skull that continued the theme I was going for. Some one died in a fire? Check, some one who died by drowning? That's to obvious not to have.

[MelonHead]

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You lack imagination if you can't see how water reaching/breaching could mess up someone who uses a liquid to move and fight.

@GreivousKhan

'Blood Bending' isn't allowed in Arena, it would fall under direct character manipulation.

That would be ridiculously OP, my character could seize control of the water in an opponent's body and drown them from the inside within a twenty foot radius if such a thing was allowed, which is why it isn't.

[Willy Vereb]

Oddly, The fire shields, and sonic wards were never talked about.

@GreivousKhan

It'd mess with my attacks for sure but I rather find the idea of Alicia's methods fail and she wacking her brains over a solution amusing.
Generally I meet adversity with anticipation. Guess we are similar on this front.