Of Iron and Coal - An Industrial Revolution Nation Roleplay

[The Grey Warden]

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China and Japan are uncivilized countries, I thought we weren't allowed to play as uncivs?

@duck55223

What I meant by that was that you can't play as the tribes/clans in Africa and Asia. China and Japan are fine to play.

[null123]

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What I meant by that was that you can't play as the tribes/clans in Africa and Asia. China and Japan are fine to play.

@The Grey Warden

Ah you should clarify that then, because most countries in Asia/Africa at this period that arent tribes/clans are classified as uncivilized.

[The Grey Warden]

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Ah you should clarify that then, because most countries in Asia/Africa at this period that arent tribes/clans are classified as uncivilized.

@duck55223

I think that I already have, thanks to you. :)

[The Grey Warden]

@Nerevarine, your sheet looks good. ACCEPTED. I just wished that you could of explained more about the Ottoman's development; but, it isn't a big issue to cry over.

@Vahir, you forgot to add one thing that I mentioned in the rules.

[Nerevarine]

Teşekkürler! As for their development, the Ottomans as they are now is not really that important for how I want to play them. Historically, this was a time of great reforms and changes in the military and the civil government, so I want to play them as an empire under massive reformation to compete with Europe

[Vahir]

@Vahir, you forgot to add one thing that I mentioned in the rules.

@The Grey Warden

Fixed!

[The Grey Warden]

@Vahir, your sheet is ACCEPTED.

We just need a couple more people/nations and then we can start.

[EveryMemeAKing]

NVM again, app makes no sense with Economic and Scientific areas.

[The Grey Warden]

NVM again, app makes no sense with Economic and Scientific areas.

@MetalLover

Economic: Just like it says. What ways does your country product money? Do they have more farms or factories? That kind of thing.

Science: Is your country's technology below the standard, in the standard, or above the standard.

I hope that helps and you can always ask me, if you get confused.

[EveryMemeAKing]

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Economic: Just like it says. What ways does your country product money? Do they have more farms or factories? That kind of thing.

Science: Is your country's technology below the standard, in the standard, or above the standard.

I hope that helps and you can always ask me, if you get confused.

@The Grey Warden

Its Just that I don't have enough information on those stats in 1821.

[Voltus_Ventus]

I think I might want to try this, possibly as Piedmont-Sardinia.

[Willy Vereb]

How about a Hungary which used the chaos after the Napoleonic Wars to declare their independence?
Would that be allowed?
Basically a revolution breaks out and under the rule of a new king Hungary breaks free of the Habsburgs.
Following that all other nations quit the Empire and suddenly the former Holy Roman Emperor is stripped from most of his power after the Napoleonic Wars, only keeping Austria.

Would this be okay?
I'm busy right now so I can't make an NS yet.

[null123]

How about a Hungary which used the chaos after the Napoleonic Wars to declare their independence?
Would that be allowed?
Basically a revolution breaks out and under the rule of a new king Hungary breaks free of the Habsburgs.
Following that all other nations quit the Empire and suddenly the former Holy Roman Emperor is stripped from most of his power after the Napoleonic Wars, only keeping Austria.

Would this be okay?
I'm busy right now so I can't make an NS yet.

@Willy Vereb

He already said that you can't modify history, so this is probably a no.

[Willy Vereb]

@duck55223Not quite.

Yes, we are keeping it historical with some modifications to make it not entirely historical.

@The Grey Warden

To me it seems more like that the setting is historical so no made up BS nations and especially no fantasy races.
But we can make certain alterations to history if we want to play with a slightly different nation.
Of course the GM can give us some clarification on the matter.
@The Grey Warden
I wanted to tag you in my previous post anyways. Basically, the question is this:

How about a Hungary which used the chaos after the Napoleonic Wars to declare their independence?
Would that be allowed?
Basically a revolution breaks out and under the rule of a new king Hungary breaks free of the Habsburgs.
Following that all other nations quit the Empire and suddenly the former Holy Roman Emperor is stripped from most of his power after the Napoleonic Wars, only keeping Austria.

Would this be okay?
I'm busy right now so I can't make an NS yet.

@Willy Vereb

[The Grey Warden]

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@Willy Vereb

Like what @duck55223 said, I am not allowing people to change the history at all. No matter what.

[Willy Vereb]

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Like what @duck55223 said, I am not allowing people to change the history at all. No matter what.

@The Grey Warden

Then there's no point in creating an NS here.
You just make a faction claim and that's it. Because there's no original input you practically can just link a wikipedia page.
Besides, you rather contradict your previous comment on the matter.
"Yes, we are keeping it historical with some modifications to make it not entirely historical."
- The Grey Warden

Also if I take your latest response literally then there'd be no point in RP-ing this either.
If we can't alter the history no matter what then you need to follow the events after 1821 on autopilot to the letter. Which would take away any enjoyment you could have from the NRP.

[The Grey Warden]

<Snipped quote by The Grey Warden>Then there's no point in creating an NS here. You just make a faction claim and that's it. Because there's no original input you practically can just link a wikipedia page. Besides, you rather contradict your previous comment on the matter.
"Yes, we are keeping it historical with some modifications to make it not entirely historical."
- The Grey Warden

Also if I take this comment of yours literally then there'd be no point in RP-ing this either.
If we can't alter the history no matter what then you need to follow the events after 1821 to the letter. Which would take away any enjoyment you could have.

@Willy Vereb

What I meant by that was modifications made to things like military, industry, etc. Since there isn't much information about it, they could modified it to fit the timeline.

I don't understand how you got that from that statement. Since I had said that I don't want people to change the history. And I don't understand how this is no point of roleplaying this. You aren't following events after 1821, you just followed the events before 1821. After that, you can remake history after 1821.

[Willy Vereb]

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What I meant by that was modifications made to things like military, industry, etc. Since there isn't much information about it, they could modified it to fit the timeline.

I don't understand how you got that from that statement. Since I had said that I don't want people to change the history. And I don't understand how this is no point of roleplaying this. You aren't following events after 1821, you just followed the events before 1821. After that, you can remake history after 1821.

@The Grey Warden

The latter part was just me nitpicking. Pardon me for that.

Anyways, there are sufficient historical data on military industrial and such states if you make the research for it. So it comes back to wiki-linking, again. The only issue is that giving it so much effort may be counterintuitive since we aren't historians but people who pass their time by playing this NRP.
But then if you allow people to make up their own about militar and industry then you pretty much already allow them to alter history.
So the point is moot.

Also if you can alter history after 1821 then why is it an issue if there's a slight change only a ten or so years before it?
It isn't like we talk about remaking the entire history of the setting.
The topic is an alternate history (which this already is) where Hungarians declared their independence prior to the RP's start and the various consequences resulting from it.

[The Grey Warden]

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The latter part was just me nitpicking. Pardon me for that.

Anyways, there are sufficient historical data on military industrial and such states if you make the research for it. So it comes back to wiki-linking, again. The only issue is that giving it so much effort may be counterintuitive since we aren't historians but people who pass their time by playing this NRP. But then if you allow people to make up their own about militar and industry then you pretty much already allow them to alter history. So the point is moot.

Also if you can alter history after 1821 then why is it an issue if there's a slight change only a ten or so years before it?
It isn't like we talk about remaking the entire history of the setting.
The topic is an alternate history (which this already is) where Hungarians declared their independence prior to the RP's start and the various consequences resulting from it.

@Willy Vereb

What? Since I allow people to change the country's miltiary, industry, and other thing, I have to give them the opinion to alter history. By change, I mean change just little enough to make sense. I mean, there is info on it; but, there might not be enough of it to summarize it.

And they will not 'link the wiki'. I will make such of that.

My final answer is going to be no. You can't alter history, even if it's ten years or one year before 1821. You can keep trying to change my mind, but it wouldn't work.

[ArchadianEmpire]

I'm fairly certain that Hungary enjoyed a measure of autonomy within the Austrian Empire at the time, couldn't he simply attempt to play the autonomous government of Hungary within the Empire and slowly make his attempt to break free? Although if there is going to be an Austrian player it could possibly turn them away.

On another note I am wonder if certain world events will take place that happened historically. For instance, the Mexican War of Independence ends later in 1821 and was pretty much over by this time. Will that situation be resolved along with Peru/Brazil, etc?