[OOC] The Sun Will Never Set (Reboot)

[Sigma]

Well, could be in a more smaller amount for me if that helps, mixing his stuff with my majority cheap crap :P

[Skepic]

@Skepic

Would you mind if I copied your Strike Witches to put into my own nation?

@ClocktowerEchos

Sure! I will PM an idea to you on how that exactly will go down. I mean, they are the elite of the aviators. But I have a few ideas on how you could have them.

[Cyclone]

@Cyclone Well I can certainly provide the Oil( I do recall saying that) :) And help in the fight against the PRK.

@Sigma

Nothing wrong with importing oil and/or fossil fuels from several countries, especially when it is in massive demand.

@Cyclone

Wait, would you be supplying arms to both sides? I can't imagine that would bode well for either of the leaders :P

EDIT: How would you choose on which side to support in this little war between the Empire and the Dominion? We basically have the same resources up for grabs since we aren't all that far apart.

@ClocktowerEchos

Wait, you two are at war? I was confused and thought that the Dominions was a semi-autonomous region of Fuso...or something...I'm not really sure what I thought

Well in this case, I don't know very much about which side the Commonwealth of Moravia would favor. You mentioned that you would copy designs for Moravian weaponry and such, not that you would trade oil/be an ally/offer much in return. You could probably create your own modified versions of slightly outdated Moravian stuff without their cooperation.

How long has this fighting between your nations been going on? If the split happened recently IC, we could RP it out and have both sides negotiate with the Moravia and let the one that offers better terms get Moravia's support.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Cyclone

The split has been around since the crowning of the Golden Emperor which was some 200 years ago. Fighting is on and off but its basically a constant state of war with varying shades of escalation. The entire IC reason the Dominion exists is because its original leader didn't accept the new emperor of Fuso as a rightful heir or something like that and allied/annex his nieghbors to try and make his own.

@SigmaDoes that seem right to you?

[Sigma]

Yup, that's about right :) The Izuno Clan wants to claim the throne for themselves.

[Cyclone]

@Cyclone

The split has been around since the crowning of the Golden Emperor which was some 200 years ago. Fighting is on and off but its basically a constant state of war with varying shades of escalation. The entire IC reason the Dominion exists is because its original leader didn't accept the new emperor of Fuso as a rightful heir or something like that and allied/annex his nieghbors to try and make his own.

@SigmaDoes that seem right to you?

@ClocktowerEchos

Barring other factors then, it would come down to three factors, in order of importance:

1.Which nation is more powerful/offers us more value?
2.Which nation most shares our views towards Communism and the PRK and democracy?
3.Which nation is closer?

I'd imagine number 2 to be roughly the same since your governments (and presumably cultures) are similar.

Actually, I think it might be interesting if we just said that Moravia has supported the Dominion for a while now and one of their enemies (most likely the PRK) is now supporting Fuso, which would lead to a big proxy war. Anybody else like this idea?

[ClocktowerEchos]

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Barring other factors then, it would come down to three factors, in order of importance:

1.Which nation is more powerful/offers us more value?
2.Which nation most shares our views towards Communism and the PRK and democracy?
3.Which nation is closer?

I'd imagine number 2 to be roughly the same since your governments (and presumably cultures) are similar.

Actually, I think it might be interesting if we just said that Moravia has supported the Dominion for a while now and one of their enemies (most likely the PRK) is now supporting Fuso, which would lead to a big proxy war. Anybody else like this idea?

@Cyclone

I'd find the idea interesting, but its most likely not the PRK who'd help Fuso since Fuso won't want their help. They have a socialism-esque economy with the government planning quotas and such but its otherwise a free market. They'd also suspect the PRK as trying to sew seeds for a Communist revolution.

As for you're questions, Fuso is the stronger one at least in terms of land and its resources, I just answred the other question and the Dominion is closer but not by much.

Although, how would a proxy war like this work? The two sides nudge the empire and the dominion enough to the point its total war all over again?

[Voltus_Ventus]

@Skepic You are accepted, post your sheet in the Char section.

So far it's only him, there are a fair few nation sheets that aren't finished, including mine, *sniffles*.

[Voltus_Ventus]

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I'd find the idea interesting, but its most likely not the PRK who'd help Fuso since Fuso won't want their help. They have a socialism-esque economy with the government planning quotas and such but its otherwise a free market. They'd also suspect the PRK as trying to sew seeds for a Communist revolution.

As for you're questions, Fuso is the stronger one at least in terms of land and its resources, I just answred the other question and the Dominion is closer but not by much.

Although, how would a proxy war like this work? The two sides nudge the empire and the dominion enough to the point its total war all over again?

@ClocktowerEchos

Do what I did and use a bomb or shoot an archduke.

[Sigma]

@Voltus_Ventus Question, what is your policy on dieselpunk VTOL aircraft?

[Isotope]

Interesting, but the post demand is... Demanding.

Oh well.

[Cyclone]

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I'd find the idea interesting, but its most likely not the PRK who'd help Fuso since Fuso won't want their help. They have a socialism-esque economy with the government planning quotas and such but its otherwise a free market. They'd also suspect the PRK as trying to sew seeds for a Communist revolution.

As for you're questions, Fuso is the stronger one at least in terms of land and its resources, I just answred the other question and the Dominion is closer but not by much.

Although, how would a proxy war like this work? The two sides nudge the empire and the dominion enough to the point its total war all over again?

@ClocktowerEchos

The classical definition of a proxy war was Vietnam. Both China and the United States threw tons of support towards one side and really fought one another using the original conflict as just a pretext.

In this case it'd be more than just Moravia trying to undermine an enemy or make them look weak, since they have a vested interest in getting resources from the region. They would thus want to protect their trade partner and unify the region under a friendly government to get access to even more stuff.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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Do what I did and use a bomb or shoot an archduke.

@Voltus_Ventus

Emperor ain't that dumb mate, Zensen are derpy, not stupid :P

[ClocktowerEchos]

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The classical definition of a proxy war was Vietnam. Both China and the United States threw tons of support towards one side and really fought one another using the original conflict as just a pretext.

In this case it'd be more than just Moravia trying to undermine an enemy or make them look weak, since they have a vested interest in getting resources from the region. They would thus want to protect their trade partner and unify the region under a friendly government to get access to even more stuff.

@Cyclone

Ahh, alrighty then.
Who would you support though?

[Voltus_Ventus]

@ClocktowerEchos Alright bud, I'm just saying that if you want to spark people up, you should use those two.

[Gig]

I am thinking about increasing the size of Fay individuals from 1.6 - 2 inches to 4 - 6 inches or as I envision it around the same size as someone's hand. That would be body size not including the wings which would increase there size even more.

I feel this size increase allows them to keep the feel I originally intended while making them less ridicules against firearms since if you include wingspan they become far more reasonable targets.

What do people think.?

[Voltus_Ventus]

I am thinking about increasing the size of Fay individuals from 1.6 - 2 inches to 4 - 6 inches or as I envision it around the same size as someone's hand. That would be body size not including the wings which would increase there size even more.

I feel this size increase allows them to keep the feel I originally intended while making them less ridicules against firearms since if you include wingspan they become far more reasonable targets.

What do people think.?

@Gig

That's fine but I just have one bone to pick, you're airships are just unreasonable, 2,000,000 faeries?! The planes I can let you keep, since they are crewed like warships but we are going to need to talk about the airships.

[Cyclone]

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Ahh, alrighty then.
Who would you support though?

@ClocktowerEchos

The Dominion. As in for who would support you, I'd consider the PRK again more carefully. Sure some people will say better dead than red, but if it comes down to being crushed by the Dominion and the tanks and guns that the Commonwealth gave them, versus taking the risk of getting a bit too close to the PRK for comfort, the choice seems clear. The PRK has motive to help you anyways, since they'd see it as both a chance to weaken Moravia and possibly spread the revolution.

[Voltus_Ventus]

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The Dominion. As in for who would support you, I'd consider the PRK again more carefully. Sure some people will say better dead than red, but if it comes down to being crushed by the Dominion and the tanks and guns that the Commonwealth gave them, versus taking the risk of getting a bit too close to the PRK for comfort, the choice seems clear. The PRK has motive to help you anyways, since they'd see it as both a chance to weaken Moravia and possibly spread the revolution.

@Cyclone

Well you should keep in mind that I'm Fuso's immediate neighbor, and though I'm not done with my military section it will be very professional. And with the Reds just across the water, I'd be trying to decrease their influence near me at an convenience. Though I'm sure my people wouldn't rebel, welfare state and all.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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Well you should keep in mind that I'm Fuso's immediate neighbor, and though I'm not done with my military section it will be very professional. And with the Reds just across the water, I'd be trying to decrease their influence near me at an convenience. Though I'm sure my people wouldn't rebel, welfare state and all.

@Voltus_Ventus

Would you be willing to provide some sort of assistance then?
No offense to the PRK, but I'm fairly certain the Emperor doesn't see you as quite as much of a destabilizing threat lol