Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Dinh AaronMk
Raw
Avatar of Dinh AaronMk

Dinh AaronMk my beloved (french coded)

Member Seen 9 days ago

@Dinh AaronMk
Can you think of a better name for your civilization, though?
Officially calling them just as "Humanity" is so bland there's a reason why no sci-fi does that. It just doesn't work.


Versus calling it something long, convoluted, and trite within the genre like the "Holy Republican Consortium of Terra-Earth"? No, I don't think so.

I see it no different than the Avars calling themselves the Avars because they're all Avars. It's a self-given identity among a people who are not totally aware of the entire breadth of the galaxy, but know it's larger than they assumed given the Precursors.

It's not to say they refer to themselves as such on a regular basis and would most likely refer to other synonyms, Earth, or Sol. But that's just as bad.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Arawak
Raw
Avatar of Arawak

Arawak oZode's ghost

Member Seen 3 mos ago

I think the name's appropriate given the context of the faction's origins.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Darkspleen
Raw
Avatar of Darkspleen

Darkspleen I am Spartacus

Member Seen 1 day ago

I'm very much interested in joining.

Right now I'm considering playing as a "developing" civilization that been at war with a zerg/tyranid-like entity for a long time and is on the verge of losing the war.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Arawak
Raw
Avatar of Arawak

Arawak oZode's ghost

Member Seen 3 mos ago

I should warn Duck's not a fan of monolithic "imma eat you" aliens.
Hidden 9 yrs ago 9 yrs ago Post by Willy Vereb
Raw
Avatar of Willy Vereb

Willy Vereb The Wordy Engineer

Member Seen 7 days ago

<Snipped quote by Willy Vereb>

Versus calling it something long, convoluted, and trite within the genre like the "Holy Republican Consortium of Terra-Earth"? No, I don't think so.

I see it no different than the Avars calling themselves the Avars because they're all Avars. It's a self-given identity among a people who are not totally aware of the entire breadth of the galaxy, but know it's larger than they assumed given the Precursors.

It's not to say they refer to themselves as such on a regular basis and would most likely refer to other synonyms, Earth, or Sol. But that's just as bad.
Um, you don't make much sense here. Avars is a national identity and they certainly didn't just call their empire as that.
People leaving in England may call themselves British but their nation is called United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
People may commonly refer to you as "Humanity" but that's not what your civilization should be officially called but something along the lines of "The Star Republic of Sol and Alpha Centaury" or something.
You may try to invent an abbreviated version and don't even care about the long and convoluted name which is the truly official form.
But that's still not "Humanity".

Hidden 9 yrs ago 9 yrs ago Post by Arawak
Raw
Avatar of Arawak

Arawak oZode's ghost

Member Seen 3 mos ago

And now the popcorn eater takes center stage.

The name is not really important, all that matters is that it can be remembered easily and Republic of Humanity is pretty easy to remember.

The real issue is the martian invasion thing and the paradoxes it causes.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Alfhedil
Raw
coGM
Avatar of Alfhedil

Alfhedil What do you see Kaneda?

Member Seen 5 hrs ago

<Snipped quote by Dinh AaronMk>Um, you don't make much sense here. Avars is a national identity and they certainly didn't just call their empire as that.
People leaving in England may call themselves British but their nation is called United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
People may commonly refer to you as "Humanity" but that's not what your civilization should be officially called but something along the lines of "The Star Republic of Sol and Alpha Centaury" or something.
You may try to invent an abbreviated version and don't even care about the long and convoluted name which is the truly official form.
But that's still not "Humanity".


This is all irrelevant and has no actual bearing on the RP. He can call his nation what he wants, so long as Duck and myself approve of it. Seeing as how the nation has been approved, there's really no point to complaining about the name.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Darkspleen
Raw
Avatar of Darkspleen

Darkspleen I am Spartacus

Member Seen 1 day ago

I should warn Duck's not a fan of monolithic "imma eat you" aliens.


Yea I gathered as much. I'm hoping that he'll let it pass as I'm only using them as an antagonist for my civilization and to set the stage so to speak.
Hidden 9 yrs ago 9 yrs ago Post by null123
Raw
GM

null123

Member Seen 9 mos ago

@duck55223@Dinh AaronMkMy only issue is that his nation's history and how they came to be would not mesh well with what kind of history I had for the Glorph at all.
His nation became enlightened after they realized they aren't alone.
In my version Martians invaded Earth as early as in the 19th century, just like in the original War of the Worlds.
Their defeat at the hands of these primitives was one of the gradually piling up reasons why the Glorph Empire hates humans with passion.
Similarly:

<Snipped quote by Arawak>
Can we reconcile these?
On the other hand given how huge impact the Precursor artifacts had on humans the fact they had massive amount of alien contact would be contradictory. which is why I brought this up.
Besides, we have a damn FtL network, not meeting bunch of sentient races after a few years or even decades after a gate's discovery is practically impossible.
That and the Glorph used to have a Mars colony and almost made Humanity into one, too (well, their attack only extended to Britain).

@Dinh AaronMk
Can you think of a better name for your civilization, though?
Officially calling them just as "Humanity" is so bland there's a reason why no sci-fi does that. It just doesn't work.


Considering you have not even posted a app yet, what does not mesh well with your history is not taken into consideration, considering I do not allow someone to tell someone else that they have to have a certain history. Aaron is in control of the Humans, he gets to decide what their history was. You have to get him to agree to what you want for the Glorph's history.

Sauru'u matter is irrelevant at the moment, as I have not had a chance to review it and the Human Player has free reign over human history anyways.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by null123
Raw
GM

null123

Member Seen 9 mos ago

<Snipped quote by Arawak>

Yea I gathered as much. I'm hoping that he'll let it pass as I'm only using them as an antagonist for my civilization and to set the stage so to speak.


I am not against them so much as I just dislike the ideas of Players controlling them. If it's just an NPC antagonist that I could potentially use in the future for some other plot line, then you have greenlight.
Hidden 9 yrs ago 9 yrs ago Post by Willy Vereb
Raw
Avatar of Willy Vereb

Willy Vereb The Wordy Engineer

Member Seen 7 days ago

And now the popcorn eater takes center stage.

Though really I think the real issue is the martian invasion thing. Republic of Humanity works for what he's got going on thematically with them.
eah, Human Republic, Free Republic of Mankind, Earth Republic, Solarian League, there are lots of names.
That's why I am so appalled at it.

But yeah, that's a fairly minor issue which shouldn't be a detriment for the RP-ing experience (much).
The problem is how to reconcile a civilization which up until recently firmly beleived they're the sole sentient species with the Glorph's extensive history with humans dating back to first as far as the 19th century.
Forgotten history? Incidents were covered up by the government?
It's quite difficult to manage both of these concepts together.

<Snipped quote by Willy Vereb>

This is all irrelevant and has no actual bearing on the RP. He can call his nation what he wants, so long as Duck and myself approve of it. Seeing as how the nation has been approved, there's really no point to complaining about the name.
Appealing to authority is not a solution, either.
Unless we settle this you relying on authorative argument would only serve to alienate players.
Just an advice.

Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Darkspleen
Raw
Avatar of Darkspleen

Darkspleen I am Spartacus

Member Seen 1 day ago

<Snipped quote by Darkspleen>

I am not against them so much as I just dislike the ideas of Players controlling them. If it's just an NPC antagonist that I could potentially use in the future for some other plot line, then you have greenlight.


Great! My idea for the zerg/tyranid-like entity's backstory is that it was created by a civilization to wipe out other civilizations so that the creator civilization could colonize those worlds. This creator civilization may or may not still be around. Whatever works for story.

Though if you'd want this entity's backstory to be something else I'd be cool with that as well.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by null123
Raw
GM

null123

Member Seen 9 mos ago

<Snipped quote by duck55223>

Great! My idea for the zerg/tyranid-like entity's backstory is that it was created by a civilization to wipe out other civilizations so that the creator civilization could colonize those worlds. This creator civilization may or may not still be around. Whatever works for story.

Though if you'd want this entity's backstory to be something else I'd be cool with that as well.


Send me a PM with some of the entity's details. I need to find a way to fit that in with the whole Precursor backstory.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Alfhedil
Raw
coGM
Avatar of Alfhedil

Alfhedil What do you see Kaneda?

Member Seen 5 hrs ago

<Snipped quote by Arawak>eah, Human Republic, Free Republic of Mankind, Earth Republic, Solarian League, there are lots of names.
That's why I am so appalled at it.

But yeah, that's a fairly minor issue which shouldn't be a detriment for the RP-ing experience (much).
The problem is how to reconcile a civilization which up until recently firmly beleived they're the sole sentient species with the Glorph's extensive history with humans dating back to first as far as the 19th century.
Forgotten history? Incidents were covered up by the government?
It's quite difficult to manage both of these concepts together.

<Snipped quote by Alfhedil>Appealing to authority is not a solution, either.
Unless we settle this you relying on authorative argument would only serve to alienate players.
Just an advice.


It's. A. Name. You're the one in the wrong here and starting something over nothing. Why is his faction's name so much of an issue for you, that you have to demand it be changed? It's literally one of the smallest details to obsess over.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Darkspleen
Raw
Avatar of Darkspleen

Darkspleen I am Spartacus

Member Seen 1 day ago

I will when I've got some details.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Arawak
Raw
Avatar of Arawak

Arawak oZode's ghost

Member Seen 3 mos ago

Dark, consider having your NPCs love everyone.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Darkspleen
Raw
Avatar of Darkspleen

Darkspleen I am Spartacus

Member Seen 1 day ago

What? Why?
Hidden 9 yrs ago 9 yrs ago Post by Dinh AaronMk
Raw
Avatar of Dinh AaronMk

Dinh AaronMk my beloved (french coded)

Member Seen 9 days ago

What Willy seems to be talking is that I should be speaking of humans from the perspective they still retain the notion of a nation/sovereign state as the modern-era knows it: as in a collective group sharing a language, ideology, and history against their fellow humans, reinforced by local laws the idea of borders, and on and on.

What humanity has done in the past [arbitrary] number of years is evolve past nation. The last generation that knew what a nation was first-hand died during the era of Nous, so there's no one left to idealize the idea of a common heritage of countrymen. What's left now is a common heritage of race. In much the same way pre-nation state identities such as the Avars, Picts, Iroquois, or any other ethnic group would have considered themselves.

What humanity is in this case is a centralized race, and not a centralized nation. They're not really beholden to a territory that they have a bond with through their history (in the same way the Greek identify Greece as their home because the Greeks have always lived and spoken their language there). Humanity in this RP has had that concept long removed, even with their new-wave of Romanticsm that occurred when they came across evidence of alien like; the precursors.

So it wouldn't work to call them anything but a national epithet (Kingdom of X, Republic of X, Commune of X) when the facsimiles that made a nation were removed by Nous. Even if they haven't totally removed from themselves the trappings of a state (central government, centralized army (sorta), administration); but even pre-nationstate identities had some sort of guiding power.

As per the proposal that your aliens would have fought with the humans: no app, no authority on the manner. I will allow it though, but NOT in the Sol system.
Hidden 9 yrs ago 9 yrs ago Post by Arawak
Raw
Avatar of Arawak

Arawak oZode's ghost

Member Seen 3 mos ago

What? Why?


Because they love everyone, they love them to pieces.

It's just that their idea of physical contact involves people being devoured.

Well, that's just how I envision a hivemind. Given the backstory of your NPCs they probably won't be like that. Perhaps their relationship to their creators may be more conflicted than it looks?

I guess what I'm saying is I hope they're a bit more unique than just some hungry bugs programmed to eat everyone.
Hidden 9 yrs ago Post by Darkspleen
Raw
Avatar of Darkspleen

Darkspleen I am Spartacus

Member Seen 1 day ago

While I find the idea quite amusing, why they do what they do isn't really relevant. I'll never write out their internal though processes or anything. And they themselves are important only in how they affect the civilization I'll be playing as.
↑ Top
© 2007-2024
BBCode Cheatsheet