B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

[Weird Tales]

The SJWs have done it again

[Weird Tales]

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Actually, the idea that Hitler rose to power peacefully isn't quite true. He used a hell of a lot of violence, even trying for a full-out violent take over as early as '23. Even after that failed, he used his SS paramilitary to eliminate political threats and bullied his way into office.

Moralistic forces can only take over a society if they have broad appeal. Religion tends to be the winner because it comes packaged with cosmological urgency. Fascism was only upheld with a certain amount of bullying. But tumblr's brand of extreme feminism? A movement that can't spread beyond teenage girls and sociology professors isn't going to become a real problem. It's just an easy target that means nothing.

@Vilageidiotx

I find that false rape accusation says otherwise. Again you seem to not care about the damage that these people do. I wonder how you would respond if MRA did the same, would just tell feminists to not be bothered? Or would you get up in arms screaming about misogyny

[Vilageidiotx]

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I find that false rape accusation says otherwise. Again you seem to not care about the damage that these people do. I wonder how you would respond if MRA did the same, would just tell feminists to not be bothered? Or would you get up in arms screaming about misogyny

@Weird Tales

You're personalizing this. That's not healthy. If a person rapes another person, I would be opposed to it. If a person falsely accuses another person of rape, I am opposed to that too. As are everyone else except a few unbalanced people. I'm not going to check up with any movements to see which side I am supposed to be on.

In the trenches of the real world, shit gets muddled. Rape is especially difficult because you have to walk that fine line between false accusation and the complexities of proving rape. I can't pretend to be capable of answering that problem because it's way too muddled in the details. I'll leave that to the courts.

But what you're doing, and where you are going wrong here, is that you are taking these individual cases and framing them in the context of some epic battle between MRA and Feminism. Humanity is lost, and every actor in a rape case becomes symbolic of this larger struggle. Don't do that. It'll create a weird dichotomy where every rape or accusation thereof is a conflict between MRA and Feminism, not as it really is, a crime committed between individuals.

And for the record, I've never screamed misogyny in my entire life. I can't even spell it without double checking.

[Dinh AaronMk]

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You're personalizing this. That's not healthy. If a person rapes another person, I would be opposed to it. If a person falsely accuses another person of rape, I am opposed to that too. As are everyone else except a few unbalanced people. I'm not going to check up with any movements to see which side I am supposed to be on.

In the trenches of the real world, shit gets muddled. Rape is especially difficult because you have to walk that fine line between false accusation and the complexities of proving rape. I can't pretend to be capable of answering that problem because it's way too muddled in the details. I'll leave that to the courts.

But what you're doing, and where you are going wrong here, is that you are taking these individual cases and framing them in the context of some epic battle between MRA and Feminism. Humanity is lost, and every actor in a rape case becomes symbolic of this larger struggle. Don't do that. It'll create a weird dichotomy where every rape or accusation thereof is a conflict between MRA and Feminism, not as it really is, a crime committed between individuals.

And for the record, I've never screamed misogyny in my entire life. I can't even spell it without double checking.

@Vilageidiotx

And in the end no amount of calling it out will fix anything. It's really an issue to be settled by way of the courts and proper criminal investigation procedures, argued on the public stage there when the entire case set-up is established and a group of peers is drawn up from the community to pass the ultimate judgement.

If anything, being dramatic about it outside of the court or before it even hits the court may make it more difficult than need be. Either because the chances of an impartial jury becomes slimmer or it might even terrify legitimate victims with the threat of unwanted publicity; taking a rape kit is a lot harder than it needs to be for most individuals as far as these stories go.

[Frizan]

I personally hate repetitive questions. Prime example: "What's up?"

The same question from the same person, day after day and maybe even MORE frequently than that.

Despite what narcissistic self-help gurus tell you, not every day is a new adventure. Most days experienced by people are fairly mundane and do not change in any significant manner.

I understand that such a phrase is an ice breaker, something to get into actual conversation, but it only works so many times before it becomes grating. At the very least rephrase the question every once in a while.

Aside from that, the question is so...vague. What's up? I dunno, do you want a total retelling of my experiences from the past day? Highlights? Or are you literally inquiring about the content of the space above us?

[Shorticus]

I personally hate repetitive questions. Prime example: "What's up?"

The same question from the same person, day after day and maybe even MORE frequently than that.

Despite what narcissistic self-help gurus tell you, not every day is a new adventure. Most days experienced by people are fairly mundane and do not change in any significant manner.

I understand that such a phrase is an ice breaker, something to get into actual conversation, but it only works so many times before it becomes grating. At the very least rephrase the question every once in a while.

Aside from that, the question is so...vague. What's up? I dunno, do you want a total retelling of my experiences from the past day? Highlights? Or are you literally inquiring about the content of the space above us?

@Frizan

This isn't a complaint on my own behalf so much as a complaint on the behalf of people that know me:

I think they hate it when I answer "How are you?" honestly and go into detail about my week.

...So, my actual complaint here is "THEN WHY DID YOU ASK ME IN THE FIRST PLACE?!"

[ASTA]

Feminism probably wouldn't have propagated very far without the propelling dynamism of the industrial revolution that pushed women into the workforce en-masse, the invention of female contraceptives that bestowed women with an unprecedented order of dominion over their futures, and the creation of various revolutionary household appliances that aided in compressing chores that would have normally taken a full day or more to complete into a couple hours or less.

All of these novel and wondrous cultural, economical, and technological shifts and innovations cumulated in the unforeseen but much maligned obsolescence of marriage: the foundational bedrock and binding tether of every reasonably successful civilization in recorded human chronology.

Unfortunately, these changes have engendered a generation of apathetic, caddish dudes whom largely have no reason to aspire to their fullest potential. A lot of marriage hungry and marriage weary women ignorantly (but perhaps understandably) deride and castigate these undependable men at every given chance, but there is absolutely no incentive for these guys to invest heavily in a martial union let alone toss a ring on a wanting fiancée's finger.

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I'm not sure feminism is the boogeyman you're looking for here. Men don't talk about their problems because of the "manly" ideals that have been instilled in them over hundreds of years, before Feminism even existed. You don't see men in ads because women are the ones addressing this, because no one has spent generations building a social construct that tells women not to tell people about their shit and only deal with everything themselves.

@Sombrero

Where do manly ideals come from?

[Vilageidiotx]

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Where do manly ideals come from?

@ASTA

John Wayne

Actually, there was historically an obvious reason for manly ideals. The traditional house hold was the norm for so long because it worked. That's where those people who misrepresent patriarchy as something men did to women are getting it wrong. When all labor is almost entirely manual, when the ownership of land so directly correlates with somebodies position in life that simplified but unequal inheritance codes are the difference between peace and feuding, when the lack of machinery makes the biological inequality of strength between men and women more noticeable and important, a division of the sexes is the best way to do things. Capitalism and industrialism made that division an impediment, and feminism naturally followed. But there are still echoes left over from those old values, in the same way the severely outdated Abrahamic religions still stay around. People don't change quickly - we're drawn to traditions that make us feel comfortable and right. And that is fine. There isn't anything wrong with masculinity as a concept. But occasionally, just like any social force, it can create problems. Male rape victims being seen as weak is an example. The same way femininity will occasionally convince a woman to stay with an abusive man.

[Sombrero]

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Where do manly ideals come from?

@ASTA

I dunno, history. They've always been around. There's bs from the medieval times that still carries over just because it was there, it wasn't broken, and nobody fixed it.

Why do we shake hands? Romans, probably.

Why is pointing rude? It has something to do with implying dominance or some shit.

The only theory I can really come up with is that, since males tend to get easier dopamine fixes establishing dominance and doing dangerous things, that the social constructs formed naturally over the generations so that all men could act like/establish themselves as the ultimate badass, because that's the guy who gets to survive and breed all the kids. Eventually this becomes the unhealthy notion that every man has to be the ultimate badass at all times, which leads to them refusing to talk about shit and denying their pain, even if it tears them apart. 'Because the movie cowboys can do it, why can't I?' Nobody informs the subconscious that the ultimate badass you're supposed to be isn't particularly human...

[FantasyChic]

Gonna go on talking about something that isn't feminism..again (damn women are annoying, huh?)

So I said on here that I am a server and have bitched about various aspects on my job. So before I go to my specific bitch, let me lay the groundwork.

At my job, we have a system set up for when people are "phased" or for those who don't know the service industry, it's when a server is taken off the floor and can finish up and go home (usually when the restaurant is slow or when its near closing time).

The system we have is, we have a DT, or district trainer (a server who is able to train new servers/runners and does the checking out), they are responsible for making sure a servers sidework is done, their section is clean, and then give them a purple sheet (a purple sheet is a sheet of paper we need to check out our section, and go home).

Well they decided to try something new. Instead of the DTs checking people out, it would be the closing foodrunner. Here is where the problem comes in. For one thing, the closing foodrunner is usually someone who doesn't know the sidework, because they've never had to do it. Second, they are usually the only foodrunner at the end of the night when servers are phased, so they need to continue to run food AND check people out.

Also, if you work the morning shift, you need to be checked out by your relief (if they get there when you are still there, because you could be phased earlier depending on business). However, your relief doesn't have a purple handy with them, so you need to seek one out. I worked a busy Saturday morning shift and after my relief saw my sidework, I asked two managers for a purple sheet, only to be told that they were too busy to get one for me. I mean, its not like I wanted to go home or anything, I was seriously about to leave with nothing.

So be that as it may, this system is not working out. No server or foodrunner is happy with it, but if your District Manager says jump, we say "how high". This is my biggest issue, they seem to think we need to constantly make changes even though the system that was set in place worked well. If it's not broken, don't fix it!

And yeah, corporate is corporate. It's just such a headache because my focus should be on my work, and then when its time to go home they should have it where it's easy to get out of there so I could be taken off the clock and they keep more money. But nope, they decide that it has to be this way to make it that much harder on the servers. I swear, I think they keep punishing us because of all the issues that have been happening, yet it's usually the kitchen's fault 9/10 times with slow ticket times and wrongly prepared food. But are they punished? Nope.

Ok, rant over.

[Vilageidiotx]

The service industry is the worse thing. I've phased between service jobs, physical labor jobs, and dead-end office jobs quite a few times, and the former are the worst thing. When I was a kid, I used to think people doing the same repetitive movements like in a factory had it worst off, but in my experience that isn't true - those jobs you can improve 200% with a pair of headphones or somebody next door who is interesting to talk to. But there is nothing more painful, more tedious, then having to deal with the public. And that all of those service jobs are ran by people who hate their jobs... that doesn't help at all.

[tsukune]

The service industry is the worse thing. I've phased between service jobs, physical labor jobs, and dead-end office jobs quite a few times, and the former are the worst thing. When I was a kid, I used to think people doing the same repetitive movements like in a factory had it worst off, but in my experience that isn't true - those jobs you can improve 200% with a pair of headphones or somebody next door who is interesting to talk to. But there is nothing more painful, more tedious, then having to deal with the public. And that all of those service jobs are ran by people who hate their jobs... that doesn't help at all.

@Vilageidiotx

I'm not sure about others, but personally I despise working in the service industry (what's more, it was the first sector I went into to gain some working experience while earning pocket money over the school hols).

Especially customer service.

The pressure overload from obnoxiously demanding customers who paid so little but have the shameless cheeks to expect you to give them VIP treatment is simply ridiculous.

[cpldingo]

Lol, I have too much to say. Half the time I feel like a live wire.
The other half I am constantly slapping my forhead in disbelief. Everything, everyone finds a way under my skin.

Main reason why I only leave my apartment only to go to work.

[Dolerman]

1) Contrary to PUA teachings, attraction is not a skill, and is not something that, once perfected can be successfully replicated over and over again. Take for example a real skill, learning how to play the guitar, assuming you understand the concepts of music and musical theory, your guitar is both in tune and serviceable, and you place your fingers on the right place on the neck of the guitar, it will make whatever sound you want it to make.You see, the guitar is a neutral object, and it's not going to say "get lost, I am not going to play that C chord, or that B -flat note, it doesn't care either way whether you succeed or fail.

A woman on the other hand is a human being (yeah, Captain Obvious I know), with a mind of its own, and irrespective of how well you present yourself to her, she can work with, or against you, and there's nothing you can do about it

2) You could say hypothetically, approach a woman and get lucky the first time, but what if the next 50,100,150, 200 etc women all tell you to get lost, does it mean your "game" is not tight enough?, or more accurately you are just not good looking enough in order to be preselected by women, I'd say it's the latter.

The point I am trying to make here is, when you are interacting with a woman that you have a romantic interest in, regardless of how well you present yourself to her, you have no control over the outcome.

When the PUA's teach men to approach women like crazy in the hope that they can get "better" with them, they are really doing their students a great disservice, as what will end up happening is that these PUA students will approach hundreds, in some cases thousands of women, and get rejected every single time, thus destroying what little self confidence and dignity they may have had.

[Sombrero]

Pick-up artists are kind of like martial artists, in a sense. Except with way more bullshit and placebo built around it.

In martial arts, you learn skills, you have to get into a certain state of mind, and you have to practice, but they're trying to prepare you for something with a billion variables that nothing short of experience will ever be able to properly prepare you for. All those highly specific fight-ending maneuvers you learn you will probably never get the opportunity to perform, and when you do, it probably won't end the way you predict, because f*#ping nothing will. They do give you one thing that always helps your chances, though, and that's physical conditioning.

That's what pick-up artists are, basically, but, as I said, with all the potentially useful teachings stripped away for plain bull, among other, more destructive lessons. They give the less skeptical student the courage and willingness to ask the girl out, which is the most important aspect. They don't have chances if they never tried to begin with. Of course, it'll probably never work for someone *aherm* aesthetically disabled, but a guy with no eyes and only one of each limb just isn't boxer material, is he?

Invariably, there will be at least one woman in a million that would accept his proposal, (And the unfortunate boxer may be able to beat the crap out of one in a million guys, but I'm done with this entertaining analogy) but he has neither the time nor resources to meet literally a million women. That's what dating sites are for, the ability to ask one million women out at once.

[Weird Tales]

Pick-up artists are kind of like martial artists, in a sense. Except with way more bullshit and placebo built around it.

In martial arts, you learn skills, you have to get into a certain state of mind, and you have to practice, but they're trying to prepare you for something with a billion variables that nothing short of experience will ever be able to properly prepare you for. All those highly specific fight-ending maneuvers you learn you will probably never get the opportunity to perform, and when you do, it probably won't end the way you predict, because f*#ping nothing will. They do give you one thing that always helps your chances, though, and that's physical conditioning.

That's what pick-up artists are, basically, but, as I said, with all the potentially useful teachings stripped away for plain bull, among other, more destructive lessons. They give the less skeptical student the courage and willingness to ask the girl out, which is the most important aspect. They don't have chances if they never tried to begin with. Of course, it'll probably never work for someone *aherm* aesthetically disabled, but a guy with no eyes and only one of each limb just isn't boxer material, is he?

Invariably, there will be at least one woman in a million that would accept his proposal, (And the unfortunate boxer may be able to beat the crap out of one in a million guys, but I'm done with this entertaining analogy) but he has neither the time nor resources to meet literally a million women. That's what dating sites are for, the ability to ask one million women out at once.

@Sombrero

I don't like dating sites, it just doesn't seem natural

[Vilageidiotx]

Pick-up artists are kind of like martial artists, in a sense. Except with way more bullshit and placebo built around it.

In martial arts, you learn skills, you have to get into a certain state of mind, and you have to practice, but they're trying to prepare you for something with a billion variables that nothing short of experience will ever be able to properly prepare you for. All those highly specific fight-ending maneuvers you learn you will probably never get the opportunity to perform, and when you do, it probably won't end the way you predict, because f*#ping nothing will. They do give you one thing that always helps your chances, though, and that's physical conditioning.

That's what pick-up artists are, basically, but, as I said, with all the potentially useful teachings stripped away for plain bull, among other, more destructive lessons. They give the less skeptical student the courage and willingness to ask the girl out, which is the most important aspect. They don't have chances if they never tried to begin with. Of course, it'll probably never work for someone *aherm* aesthetically disabled, but a guy with no eyes and only one of each limb just isn't boxer material, is he?

Invariably, there will be at least one woman in a million that would accept his proposal, (And the unfortunate boxer may be able to beat the crap out of one in a million guys, but I'm done with this entertaining analogy) but he has neither the time nor resources to meet literally a million women. That's what dating sites are for, the ability to ask one million women out at once.

@Sombrero

Basically, it's like the twist-ending of a Saturday morning cartoon where the hero was given a supposedly magical item that is actually just junk. "The power was inside of you all along."

I like it. This is going to be my mental image of the dating advice industry from now on.

[Dolerman]

I love how everyone in this thread knows what dating websites are and how they are used but would swear theyve never used one.

"I made a Tinder profile for a joke, but I didn't take it seriously"

[SleepingSilence]

@Dynamo Frokane I have an excuse for that, many of my friends are horndogs. :P

My one friend I swear as has been on all the dating sites, I joined like one or two random sites when I was a teennager and stopped in less than a few days for both finding them pretty hollow just browsing through profile descriptions. I'm generally really not interested in relationships. Had to deal enough with my friends relationships and how shallow I find most of them.

[Sombrero]

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I don't like dating sites, it just doesn't seem natural

@Weird Tales

As Hitler-y a thing it is to say, some people just aren't in a position where relationships come naturally. People have to find their niche, and when that niche isn't in real life, you don't just give up when alternatives are available. I mean, you can try to pretend you're above it, but if you're getting rejected or can't bring yourself to do things any other way, you're probably the only person who thinks that.

I love how everyone in this thread knows what dating websites are and how they are used but would swear theyve never used one.

"I made a Tinder profile for a joke, but I didn't take it seriously"

@Dynamo Frokane

I'm very familiar with the idea of dating sites, from the media, but I'm not exactly sure how they work. Kind of been assuming they're forums with amazon-style suggestions on the side until now. I guess Tinder is some sort of profile-browser, based on what I've heard on Game Grumps... I can't help but feel like that undermines my credibility somehow, even though I haven't said too much about dating sites.