[OOC] Mid/High Casual - Divinus: The Deity Roleplay Mk.II

[Kangutso]

Ding. Dong. Wing. Wong.

More random words.

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[Kho]

[LokiLeo789]

Any idea on a currency? Was thinking snickers bars but...nah. I wanted to use a combination of Ancient Greek and Roman Currency:

(6.3 by 3.5 in) coins mad out of bronze, minted by the Roacik. I call it AMATS:

6 AM = 1 AMATS

100 AMATS = 1 AMATIS

600 AMATIS = 1 AMATISE

A worker in Amerstris could earn about two AMATS a day. Sculptors and doctors were able to make up to six AMATS daily. An unskilled worker would make around half of a AMATS for one day’s work.

loaf of bread 1 AM

lamb 8 AMATS

gallon of olive oil 5 AMATS

shoes 8 to 12 AMATS

houses 400 to 1000 AMATS or 1 AMATISE/4 AMATIS

[Muttonhawk]

@LokiLeo789 I would suggest for all our sakes that you give easier-to-distinguish names to the different deductions. Apart from that, it seems alright.

If you wanted to go through historical progression rather than burning free points for currency, you might start out with clay tablets that are a small contracts promising service, like IOUs. That's how currency started out in RL history if I remember correctly. Of course, no one has explicitly declared discovering and using writing yet.

As for Toun's temple, it would probably be like a monastery of self-improvement. Lots of white clay. Plenty of scribes. His insignia around the place. Also, a lot of anti-chaos rhetoric and proselytising, especially aimed to anyone who wants to be left alone by white giants.

[Kho]

We already at the currency stage?

[Rtron]

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Well, Astarte has actually given away more of her essence than anyone else, I believe xD

@Frettzo

But Vestec has the most children. Astarte is the Divine Blood Donor.

[Vec]

@Muttonhawk@Kho Right from wikipedia, so take with a grain of salt...

My Hider

"....In this first stage of currency, metals were used as symbols to represent value stored in the form of commodities. This formed the basis of trade in the Fertile Crescent for over 1500 years. However, the collapse of the Near Eastern trading system pointed to a flaw: in an era where there was no place that was safe to store value, the value of a circulating medium could only be as sound as the forces that defended that store. Trade could only reach as far as the credibility of that military. By the late Bronze Age, however, a series of treaties had established safe passage for merchants around the Eastern Mediterranean, spreading from Minoan Crete and Mycenae in the northwest to Elam and Bahrain in the southeast. It is not known what was used as a currency for these exchanges, but it is thought that ox-hide shaped ingots of copper, produced in Cyprus, may have functioned as a currency.

It is thought that the increase in piracy and raiding associated with the Bronze Age collapse, possibly produced by the Peoples of the Sea, brought the trading system of oxhide ingots to an end. It was only with the recovery of Phoenician trade in the 10th and 9th centuries BC that saw a return to prosperity, and the appearance of real coinage, possibly first in Anatolia with Croesus of Lydia and subsequently with the Greeks and Persians. In Africa many forms of value store have been used, including beads, ingots, ivory, various forms of weapons, livestock, the manilla currency, and ochre and other earth oxides. The manilla rings of West Africa were one of the currencies used from the 15th century onwards to sell slaves. African currency is still notable for its variety, and in many places various forms of barter still apply...."

So as I see it, we are almost there.

[Double Capybara]

@Kho Apparently. I'm not caught up with the latest Xerxes post, but the last one I read was already mentioning the need for currency.

What do you think about this whole business? Is it okay or is he reaching the Atlantis mark?

[LokiLeo789]

@LokiLeo789 I would suggest for all our sakes that you give easier-to-distinguish names to the different deductions. Apart from that, it seems alright.

If you wanted to go through historical progression rather than burning free points for currency, you might start out with clay tablets that are a small contracts promising service, like IOUs. That's how currency started out in RL history if I remember correctly. Of course, no one has explicitly declared discovering and using writing yet.

As for Toun's temple, it would probably be like a monastery of self-improvement. Lots of white clay. Plenty of scribes. His insignia around the place. Also, a lot of anti-chaos rhetoric and proselytising, especially aimed to anyone who wants to be left alone by white giants.

@Muttonhawk

The clay tablets would work, if im not mistaken that is combination of Commodity money and Representative Money. But an Iou won't work when trading it for food, especially when one cant offer the services another wants. Why it didn't last long. We will have a progressive currency like that, but as time goes on, it will fall out of favor.

We already at the currency stage?

@Kho

A city state that brings many together can't rely upon the barter system and free labor for long. Goblins and Tedar may work for food, and human and hain for shelter, but they will find that working to only eat and sleep will leave them will little to trade in the end. People get angry. Currency would actually give Xerxes an economy. And allow for monetary exchange between villages outside Xerxes.

[BBeast]

@LokiLeo789, On one hand, Teknall would be glad to contribute to a budding new civilisation. On the other hand, Teknall has a rather strong sense of morality and will be very much opposed to Amartia. That is, if he finds out that Amartia is the sin-ridden spawn of Vestec who simply wants everything for himself. So when you call upon Teknall, tread carefully.

Also, not sure how ready the world is for currency. Metal hasn't been invented yet (give me a post or two, though. It's coming up soon). Numeracy is as basic as possible, for we don't even have mathematics. Writing hasn't been invented among the mortals as far as I'm aware, although we do have communication via pictures (thanks to Phantasmogoria) (Tounic calligraphy doesn't count).

I believe that, before promissory notes or formal currency, wealth was traded in commodities. So rather than having, say, 50 dollars, you would have 50 grams of silver. Lacking precious metals, you can trade in grain or meat or hides or wood etc, or in precious gems (although that might be a bit valuable for commoners). Currency needs to be worked up to.
EDIT: This is confirmed by the Wikipedia entry Vec found above.

[Kho]

BBeast presents my concerns rather well. It's more that I didn't think we had yet developed the necessary prerequisites for money, rather than me being opposed to it being developed

And I haven't read the most recent posts, so don't know if anyone has reached the Atlantis point yet xD

[LokiLeo789]

BBeast presents my concerns rather well. It's more that I didn't think we had yet developed the necessary prerequisites for money, rather than me being opposed to it being developed

And I haven't read the most recent posts, so don't know if anyone has reached the Atlantis point yet xD

@Kho

Atlantis. Maybe once day. But a bater system won't last long. This world we created my be filled with magical creatures, but reality will have to kick on at some point. The Capital is a city of heros and hain, they may not need a currency. But Ventos and Xerxes will be in need of one soon.

Also, we have buildings and boats but no units of measurement? Everything thats been built so far is just a bunch of slapdash. We have knowledge gods and forge gods but none of them has come up with math?

On an unrelated note.

Can you imagine if we lived on the barter system now?

[BBeast]

In terms of architecture, our two cities are already reaching the Atlantis point. However, this was due to direct divine intervention (Illunabar and her Muses designed and built the Capital. Jvan space-dropped fancy buildings into Xerxes). Otherwise, I think we're okay.

A corollary to what I said earlier about metal: the High Lifprasillians seem to already have metal, but they've spent their existence heavily influenced by divinity, so it makes sense that they're a little more advanced than the rest.

@Kangutso, short and to the point. I like it. I'll get a PM out. @Kho, you said you wanted in on the battle?

[Kho]

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Can you imagine if we lived on the barter system now?

@LokiLeo789

It would work pretty well, methinks. But we'd need to overthrow the capitalist pigs first. Muhahahaha

@BBeast yup, link me up

@Antarctic Termite your recent technique of keeping record of MP/FP usage is confusing me a bit ^^' as a consequence I'm not entirely sure how much MP/FP concealment etc. you have. Help?

[BBeast]

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Atlantis. Maybe once day. But a bater system won't last long. This world we created my be filled with magical creatures, but reality will have to kick on at some point. The Capital is a city of heros and hain, they may not need a currency. But Ventos and Xerxes will be in need of one soon.

Also, we have buildings and boats but no units of measurement? Everything thats been built so far is just a bunch of slapdash. We have knowledge gods and forge gods but none of them has come up with math?

On an unrelated note.

Can you imagine if we lived on the barter system now?

@LokiLeo789

We've barely invented agriculture. People live in huts and tents (or caves, if you're a Rovaick). Boats are rafts or hollowed out tree trunks. Our civilisation god has been stuck dealing with other business and is only just catching up, our knowledge goddess is MIA, and our physics god is in the furthest reaches of the Universe. The High Lifprasillians probably have units of measurement, otherwise building the Capital would have been impossible, but besides that yes, everything built thus far by mortals has been just a bunch of slapdash. Some of it is very good slapdash, though.

[Double Capybara]

@BBeast Well, the thing is that I thought the Capital was far too much, thus why I made sure to keep it under fog, so the whole trade thing doesn't take place inside the city. Because it was supposedly far too neat for the average village of the world back then. And even then, it was the work of a goddess, a demi-god, three avatars and two-three heroes.

Now Xerxes, is not only very advanced, but has been basically making trade and all, and was originally going to be outright an empire until people said "its a bit too early for that, city state please"

@LokiLeo789 I just want you to understand that we have just got into the bronze age, your city, even with the pyramid, should ideally not go much beyond what Ur was. A place with something between 10 thousand to 50 thousand people.

Idk, it just feels jarring to have so much going on when a while ago I was setting up the very first trade. Maybe it's just me taking Loki's descriptions for something grander than what they actually are, but it all feels a bit too much.

This has put me on a very odd spot where I feel Ilunabar could possibly want to act a bit in the region, but since I, as a player, also feel like there is a bit too much going on in Xerxes, I feel like I could be metagaming or something.

[Kho]

I haven't yet read the Xerxes post/s, but generally:

1) A divine being's presence can help create things which may be slightly more advanced than normal for the civilisational stage, i.e. Lifprasil and his city, army, advanced armours, weaponry etc.
2) A divine being's presence can't cause the above to occur overnight. Even quick growing empires (i.e. Alexander's empire) took a good decade to establish militarily, and we're not even at that stage yet.

[LokiLeo789]

I haven't yet read the Xerxes post/s, but generally:

1) A divine being's presence can help create things which may be slightly more advanced than normal for the civilisational stage, i.e. Lifprasil and his city, army, advanced armours, weaponry etc.
2) A divine being's presence can't cause the above to occur overnight. Even quick growing empires (i.e. Alexander's empire) took a good decade to establish militarily, and we're not even at that stage yet.

@Kho

But Amartía isn't exactly considered a divine being is he? What exactly is Amartía at this point? I was told he was something inbetween and Demi-god and a mortal. So...what is he capable of? Heroic feets like Ialu from Mk.1? Or his he inbetween a god and a demigod? A goddemi?

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We've barely invented agriculture. People live in huts and tents (or caves, if you're a Rovaick). Boats are rafts or hollowed out tree trunks. Our civilisation god has been stuck dealing with other business and is only just catching up, our knowledge goddess is MIA, and our physics god is in the furthest reaches of the Universe. The High Lifprasillians probably have units of measurement, otherwise building the Capital would have been impossible, but besides that yes, everything built thus far by mortals has been just a bunch of slapdash. Some of it is very good slapdash, though.

@BBeast

This would have been a gret time to bring out Arguis, but I cant talk, Arguis created warmongering bugg and plant people. And libraries.

[Kho]

Guys, stats are currently a bit of a mess, so I'm putting this here and hoping that you guys can correct me if you see anything that is wrong:

Current Stats

God Name - God Level - God Might - God Freepoints

Astarte - L4 - 27 MP - 5 FP

Belruarc [NPC] - L2 - 1 MP - 6 FP

Illunabar - L5 - 1 MP - 1 FP

Julkolfyr [NPC] - L2 - 27 MP - 4 FP

Jvan - L4 - 2 MP - 2 FP

Kyre - L3 - 22.25 MP - 5 FP

Logos - L2 - 28 MP - 3 FP

Niciel - L4 - 0 MP - 1 FP

Mammon - L4 - 26 MP - 2 FP

Reathos [NPC] - L4 - 19 MP - 1 FP

Slough - L4 - 20 MP - 2 FP

Teknall - L4 - 16 MP - 0 FP

Toun - L4 - 21 MP - 0 FP

Ull'Yang - L4 - 31.5 MP - 4 FP

Vakarlon [NPC] - L3 - 30 MP - 6 FP

Vestec - L4 - 11 MP - 2 FP

Vowzra - L3 - 0.5 MP - 5 FP

Vulamera [NPC] - L3 - 21 MP - 6 FP

Zephyrion - L3 - 30.5 MP - 4 FP

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Demigod Name - Demigod Level - Demigod Might - Demigod Worshippers

Belvast - L3 - 6 MP - 0 W

Lifprasil - L1 - 8 MP - 0 W

The Bard [NPC] - L4 - 2 MP - 0 W

Amartía - L2 - 0 MP - 0 W

Keriss - L1 - 4 MP - 0 W

[Kho]

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But Amartía isn't exactly considered a divine being is he? What exactly is Amartía at this point? I was told he was something inbetween and Demi-god and a mortal. So...what is he capable of? Heroic feets like Ialu from Mk.1? Or his he inbetween a god and a demigod? A goddemi?

@LokiLeo789

Amartía is currently something between a demigod and a hero, yes. So, at the moment, he is at the power level of early Ialu when he started the Strong Tribe