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@Muttonhawk While I'm no biologist, panting should be adequate for providing a hain's cooling needs. It works as a primary cooling mechanism for most animals (humans are a notable exception, who use sweating as a primary cooling mechanism). This has the drawback that hain would not be able to run long distances without stopping to pant every so often, but this is a minor drawback.

What I haven't wrapped my head around is how a hain's internal organs are supported for a creature that size without an endoskeleton, or how their muscular system is wired. There's probably a plausible explanation; I just don't know it.


I don't mind about the long distance thing. If I wanted them to have comparable running endurance of humans, they would probably sweat, have longer legs, have butts, have more forward vision etc. Basically, humans are pretty good endurance hunters. Hain are not. Hain are workers.

As for the internal organs, that can be mostly hand-waved, but my thoughts were that the exoskeleton is reinforced by a bone-like or cartilage-like frame that works as a pseudo-skeleton nearer to the surface of their exoskeleton than a proper endoskeleton. This would allow a flexible-ish structure to be maintained between the plates as well as providing points for organs to run along.

As for the muscles, I'm not sure how it would need to be different if the end points are still attached to the exoskeleton. To that question, I sort-of wiggle my hands and hold up a picture of a praying mantis.

Then again, I'm no expert. All this internal stuff can be safely ignored unless it becomes IC-relevant.

But before I give up...I also had another thought! Many creatures have a cluster of blood vessels around the nasal cavity as a means to cool down, right? Well, hain beaks have a lot of extra space in them. Maybe they have a larger version of that cavity than normal so it can provide better cooling?

Wow, am I thinking about this too hard. This is a mistake.
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If I wanted them to have comparable running endurance of humans, they would probably...have butts


H-hain don't have butts?

Kho: *walks into an alley and looks around carefully* hey, I've got a top secret job for you
Detekhtive: *emergin from the darkness* I'm all ears. And eyes.
Kho: you might need a nose for this one too
Detekhtive: *shocked* impossible! What fiendish job could require a nose too
Kho: It's...it's those hain. I don't think they have...have...
Detekhtive: have what?
Kho: POOPERS! They don't have poopers!
Detekhtive: i-inconceivable!
Kho: your job is this: find out how those damn weirdos poop
Detekhtive: m-maybe they sweat it out!
Kho: *shakes head* they don't even sweat!
Detekhtive:
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@Kho Kho, it's okay, they poop. I just meant they don't have shock-absorbing butt cheeks like humans do.

It just means that hain can't twerk. This is probably not an issue for you. Probably.

Edit: Before anyone asks how I know that human butt cheeks are evolved as shock absorbers for running long distances, just know that I watch too many documentaries.
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@Muttonhawk So...those mighty, powerful, glorious human butt-cheeks, evolved over eons to perfect the art of the long-distance run...have today been relegated to Jvanic organs of twerking? Toun would faint.
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It just means that hain can't twerk. This is probably not an issue for you. Probably.


That's a huge problem...
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But before I give up...I also had another thought! Many creatures have a cluster of blood vessels around the nasal cavity as a means to cool down, right? Well, hain beaks have a lot of extra space in them. Maybe they have a larger version of that cavity than normal so it can provide better cooling?

Wow, am I thinking about this too hard. This is a mistake.


Ah, yes, nasal cavities. Hain have plenty of space for those.

I had another idea for hain cooling. Hain probably have a few joints and stuff where the soft flesh is relatively exposed. These would be good places to put dense networks of blood vessels near the surface to allow for extra cooling. Cooling would be driven by sweat glands and/or manually licking the skin (like kangaroos do for their elbows).
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@Muttonhawk So...those mighty, powerful, glorious human butt-cheeks, evolved over eons to perfect the art of the long-distance run...have today been relegated to Jvanic organs of twerking? Toun would faint.


Well, yeah, if you plot the population of hip hop dancers with endurance hunters in the human race, you'll see a strong negative correlation.

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Ah, yes, nasal cavities. Hain have plenty of space for those.

I had another idea for hain cooling. Hain probably have a few joints and stuff where the soft flesh is relatively exposed. These would be good places to put dense networks of blood vessels near the surface to allow for extra cooling. Cooling would be driven by sweat glands and/or manually licking the skin (like kangaroos do for their elbows).


Makes sense to me. As funny an image as that provides, I imagine more civilised hain in warmer climates will make salves to put on their joints during the day that provide better cooling than their saliva.

Like I said before, I'll take the first things incorporated into IC as canon.
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After due consultation amongst ourselves - surprisingly calm and composed, nearly civilised - we have come to the conclusion that our IC production has far outpaced our creation sheet production. Therefore, we highly encourage everybody to get onto the the newly created wiki and to get to writing up all those due creation sheets forthwith!


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I don't want to fuss over this Conata post anymore, so I stopped short of adding music.

Here, this is a track I wanted to include. It kind of encapsulates the first two thrids, but doesn't quite line up with the post's size, so bleh. Enjoy:



I might use it for another post.
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Speaking of biology, the status of mortal minds is quite obscure right now. Very little attention or might was sort in the brain, less than the last one, apparently.

Of course, mortals still kinda do have a good mortal mind. But it is unclear how much like ours it is. Dreaming for example, is an entirely different beast than how it truly is.

For example, if someone somehow managed to cut off the mortal connection with Raka, what would the feasible results be? Yes. It happened once in the distant past, but that was before modern mortality and actual complex dreams.
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Christ, I feel like I'm going to screw Conata up one of these days. Gettin' kinda dangerous with these fanpeople.

Speaking of biology, the status of mortal minds is quite obscure right now. Very little attention or might was sort in the brain, less than the last one, apparently.

Of course, mortals still kinda do have a good mortal mind. But it is unclear how much like ours it is. Dreaming for example, is an entirely different beast than how it truly is.

For example, if someone somehow managed to cut off the mortal connection with Raka, what would the feasible results be? Yes. It happened once in the distant past, but that was before modern mortality and actual complex dreams.


Given the psychological differences in hain, I've had to keep their mental propensities in mind when writing them. Granted, that's just part of the whole thing that is their creation -- additions to their brains in particular have mostly been at the hands of Teknall, Jvan, and Vowzra.

As for the rest of the situation, I thought mortals had similar minds to how we would conventionally see them in this universe. Apart from Vowzra making everyone adverse to Jvan and Ilunabar inventing and monopolising dreams. Not sure what's exactly obscure. Maybe there are things I missed from the last version of Divinus that provide more context? What kind of stuff happened before?
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@Muttonhawk Oh, it's nothing. Just that the invention guides of the OP feature a lot of mental aspects as unique creations. But in this interation they were taken for granted.

Either way, my whole point is that I'm trying to evaluate how important dreaming is to sentient life. Loki's post about influencing the subconscious made me curious.
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Ah, yeah, fair enough.

I have a feeling that more mental and philosophical stuff will come up once civilisation becomes just a tad more ubiquitous. Not many places on the planet are both peaceful and prosperous right now.
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I think things like 'soul', 'emotions', 'happiness', 'community' etc. that Vowzra created in the last iteration have emerged naturally in this iteration. Philosophies and religions etc. have not really been developed much - Vetros is said to have a tradition, and so too do the Eskandars. But other than that small tract on the levels of faith I've not delved into philosophy-religion as much as I plan to
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Bastard! I'm still working on a post with him. Whatever will I do now?


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