@Dazsos This seems as good a place as any. My sheet will be in the char tab
GM
@Dazsos
We still on?
We still on?
@Divinity
Oooh god... lemme' recover from this hangover, then we're on...
EDIT: I like Corban, I kind of want to have him face Myron, but having Myron in two fights at once will feel weird, and I may fail to play him accordingly.
I may match Daos against Corban, Daos or Terra'ma, whose profile I really need to bring in. Daos can be found in my character sheet thread.
Still recovering from that hangover... hnnng.
Oooh god... lemme' recover from this hangover, then we're on...
EDIT: I like Corban, I kind of want to have him face Myron, but having Myron in two fights at once will feel weird, and I may fail to play him accordingly.
I may match Daos against Corban, Daos or Terra'ma, whose profile I really need to bring in. Daos can be found in my character sheet thread.
Still recovering from that hangover... hnnng.
GM
@Dazsos
Fumny, I had friends and family over last night for a weekend party and ended up having to call off today from work because my head was so destroyed. Good thing my boss is absolutely amazing.
Caution!: Do not mix sushi with coconut Tequila and gummy worms.
Fumny, I had friends and family over last night for a weekend party and ended up having to call off today from work because my head was so destroyed. Good thing my boss is absolutely amazing.
Caution!: Do not mix sushi with coconut Tequila and gummy worms.
@Divinity Oh gosh no, the sushi would absorb all the alcohol, and gummies are the worst for nutrients! I only got drunk cause I bought an extra pitcher assuming everyone would drink it, and nobody did... T_T (In this scenario, I'm nobody.)
I've concluded I'd like to use my main character, Myron Owyn against Corban. His sheet is in the character bin. If you dislike any of his abilities (he has an extensive array) tell me, and I may nerf them or argue their weaknesses.
EDIT: I'm actually still considering using an entirely different character, one who would be a bit more fair. I'm seeing a power gap between Corban and Myron with his current sheet.
I've concluded I'd like to use my main character, Myron Owyn against Corban. His sheet is in the character bin. If you dislike any of his abilities (he has an extensive array) tell me, and I may nerf them or argue their weaknesses.
EDIT: I'm actually still considering using an entirely different character, one who would be a bit more fair. I'm seeing a power gap between Corban and Myron with his current sheet.
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@Dazsos
I almost never complain about sheets. Corban is more than capable of scaling upward almost indefinitely. However when time, space, gravity, alchemy, geomancy, etc are all plastered on a single sheet, things tend to get contentious with me. I am capable of dealing with it all on a surface level, but it rarely remains very civil for long when I dont roll over and die.
I'll face Myron unranked without any issues. But if you insist on ranked, I could suck it up and prepare accordingly, or you can change your character. I won't make the decision for you, just give you some info that may help you decide.
I almost never complain about sheets. Corban is more than capable of scaling upward almost indefinitely. However when time, space, gravity, alchemy, geomancy, etc are all plastered on a single sheet, things tend to get contentious with me. I am capable of dealing with it all on a surface level, but it rarely remains very civil for long when I dont roll over and die.
I'll face Myron unranked without any issues. But if you insist on ranked, I could suck it up and prepare accordingly, or you can change your character. I won't make the decision for you, just give you some info that may help you decide.
@Divinity
I've locked his control over Gravity & Space/Time. I was pretty sure I did already, because those are mainly there so he can keep up with high power tiers. I also cut out and copied his sheet back in like twice, because I was unsure of playing him, but I think he should be a fair opponent with those three runes locked? The rest of his spellset isn't as impressive. His Geomancy is low-class, and alchemy's only benefit to this fight is in the form of wisdom. If you're still having doubts, I can continue to work on the character I had in mind to fight you at first?
EDIT: I was mainly in a rush, and Myron was a completed character. He's definitely at the high end of mid-level combat, even with those runes taken out. If you're interested in facing him, I'll keep him as is - maybe take out the rift portals? Otherwise the option is up to you... I'm going to continue trying to make a roster of characters for myself to use, instead of relying on the only up-to-date ones I have.
There was a vagueness in Corban's profile, which lead me to believe Ishtalle could transform in to a magitech gun? Just the conversation earlier about it, and the broadness of her skillset. I added Myron because he's one of my only mages I see capable of handling gunfire. Although squishy, he still has a huge array of capabilities.
EDIT X2: If I finish Illiam's profile in time, I'll fight you with the elf instead.
I've locked his control over Gravity & Space/Time. I was pretty sure I did already, because those are mainly there so he can keep up with high power tiers. I also cut out and copied his sheet back in like twice, because I was unsure of playing him, but I think he should be a fair opponent with those three runes locked? The rest of his spellset isn't as impressive. His Geomancy is low-class, and alchemy's only benefit to this fight is in the form of wisdom. If you're still having doubts, I can continue to work on the character I had in mind to fight you at first?
EDIT: I was mainly in a rush, and Myron was a completed character. He's definitely at the high end of mid-level combat, even with those runes taken out. If you're interested in facing him, I'll keep him as is - maybe take out the rift portals? Otherwise the option is up to you... I'm going to continue trying to make a roster of characters for myself to use, instead of relying on the only up-to-date ones I have.
There was a vagueness in Corban's profile, which lead me to believe Ishtalle could transform in to a magitech gun? Just the conversation earlier about it, and the broadness of her skillset. I added Myron because he's one of my only mages I see capable of handling gunfire. Although squishy, he still has a huge array of capabilities.
EDIT X2: If I finish Illiam's profile in time, I'll fight you with the elf instead.
GM
She can become just short of anything, guns pretty low on the list, though it is an option. However if she is a gun, I almost never actually have my bullets move at bullet-speeds, and 9/10 she's firing spell cartridges instead of mundane ammo. As a rule, as long as a character is at least 15-30 feet away from me when firing a firearm, and utilize some form of believable defense/speed, I have no real issue with others dodging bullets.
My sheet is also not particularly all-inclusive. In that I do not document every single thing he is capable of, but everything he is capable of is done using what is on his sheet, hence the 'vagueness'.
With the locks in place I feel we shouldn't have any major hiccups regarding powers and their scale, so you're fine. My intro is already posted, so respond whenever ready!
My sheet is also not particularly all-inclusive. In that I do not document every single thing he is capable of, but everything he is capable of is done using what is on his sheet, hence the 'vagueness'.
With the locks in place I feel we shouldn't have any major hiccups regarding powers and their scale, so you're fine. My intro is already posted, so respond whenever ready!
@Divinity
Vagueness is good for certain things, however I avoided it for Myron's profile only because there's so much he can do, I don't want people suddenly turning on me saying 'oh that wasn't mentioned!' Just because I had some sneaky hybrid spells up my sleeves.
Also, before we start - shall I lock the rift runes as well? Usually in my books, teleportation has always been a high-tier ability, so I'd understand if you want that spell gone. I prepared his sheet to fight someone more powerful initially. Rift is one of his first canon spells, however. Decision is yours!
I'll post when everything is cleared up.
Vagueness is good for certain things, however I avoided it for Myron's profile only because there's so much he can do, I don't want people suddenly turning on me saying 'oh that wasn't mentioned!' Just because I had some sneaky hybrid spells up my sleeves.
Also, before we start - shall I lock the rift runes as well? Usually in my books, teleportation has always been a high-tier ability, so I'd understand if you want that spell gone. I prepared his sheet to fight someone more powerful initially. Rift is one of his first canon spells, however. Decision is yours!
I'll post when everything is cleared up.
GM
Even if it seems unorthodox, so long as everything you're doing is possible based on what is present on a sheet, I see no issue with not being all-inclusive. Especially to limit metagaming.
And clearly porting is generally frowned upon in combat, but to me it depends on how it is done. Some people explain it away as moving through a coterminous plane instead of outright sidestepping time and space. I dont particularly mind it because I have ways of dealing with it, but I do believe its something best left reserved to high-tier. The smoother this can go the better.
And clearly porting is generally frowned upon in combat, but to me it depends on how it is done. Some people explain it away as moving through a coterminous plane instead of outright sidestepping time and space. I dont particularly mind it because I have ways of dealing with it, but I do believe its something best left reserved to high-tier. The smoother this can go the better.
I'm leaving some idioms that require the gravity rune untouched, only because they can still fall in to mid-tier. One is just a laser beam, which is one of Myron's only offensive spells, the second being a deathtrap rune that is difficult to create regardless. Gravity rune is practically just a vaccuum, the same effects could be produced by wind pressure, but I'll leave it out to save mind.
Now comes the real issue... making a neutral good character have a reason to kill another random neutral character. Luckily I have a good imagination, and Myron's canon story can send him off with a touch of information that might have been metagaming under any other circumstance. Hope that doesn't have you worried, he won't know anything about Corban upon their meeting.
Now comes the real issue... making a neutral good character have a reason to kill another random neutral character. Luckily I have a good imagination, and Myron's canon story can send him off with a touch of information that might have been metagaming under any other circumstance. Hope that doesn't have you worried, he won't know anything about Corban upon their meeting.
GM
That's fine. I'm not against gravity manipulation. And there are many reasons two men of the same alignment would want to kill one another.
Most wars are not fought between good and evil, but one good versus another good.
Most wars are not fought between good and evil, but one good versus another good.
Canonically, Myron's headmaster possesses an artifact that depicts destiny. So I'm just weaving in how Myron is being sent to kill Corban because Corby accidentally would have destroyed the entire world otherwise. I know it's a bit much, ey! But it's the best darn reason I can think of to make a passive character of mine commit to battle.
A powerful archer and a rift rune is used in Myron's intro, but Corban won't see any more of that throughout the battle, I assure you.
A powerful archer and a rift rune is used in Myron's intro, but Corban won't see any more of that throughout the battle, I assure you.
GM
I notice you keep editing your posts, @Divinity, sometimes even over a day after they're made. I'm guessing that's just to fix typos...? Please do state what's edited in a battle post, since I may have read it wrong the first time, and it was more than a grammatical error. Normally editing posts is fine, but not in a competitive fight.
GM
Majority of the edits are simply grammar correction or alterations to flow. In my experience, even in ranked combat edits are allowed so long as it is before an opponent posts, or has a certain hour limit. But I will detail exact edits from now on.
Bookmarking for later.
@DivinityOkay, given our bouts of disagreement on things, which is carrying on a tad much in private message... I figure it'd be best if we resume our debate publicly so that the judges may witness our claims.
So far, my argument has been that I don't see the logic in the clone bomb. In PM and IC you've described it as a powerful cryogenic explosion, which I'm interpreting as a huge drop in temperature. Now you've stated that because kinetic force is expelled, and it's cryogenic, Myron won't be able to control his ice any more... but I don't see any reason whatsoever that entails Myron shouldn't have control over his ice, just because it's now extra cold. By using cryogenic magic, Corban is mostly stepping out of the boundaries of his skillset and in to Myron's, whereas simple 'conjuration' in a basic form shouldn't allow him to overpower another mage's control over something they've dedicated their life to... when Corban only has a single word explanation on his own control over ice; '[Conjuration]?' It states he dislikes this domain of magic, so I'm unsure how the 'likes' and 'dislikes' terms have any sway over his control, if he's able to use such advanced spells such as this.
So somehow he obtained the powers of cryogenic freezing, made them in to a bomb inside a clone, created the clone in his image with absolute perfect features (without illusonry, as you said), and controlled the clone perfectly whilst travelling underground at the same time... all in a 1-2 second timeframe in-between shooting a gem, and dashing/digging underground. Although I figure this might be possible, it's the reason I've complained that I should be allowed to use Myron's high-tier fighting set. (And why I've unlocked his rift and gravity runes for this fight, which I generally save for higher tiers.) Now I'm honestly accepting of most of the things here, but all at once, and the effect nulling my magic? Now that I don't see.
Corban's bracketed skills are still much of a mystery to me, as well, and I assume your cryogenic magic stems from one of them. If I need a judge's ruling on one thing, it's to see a full list of what Corban is capable of within those bracketed spells. Honestly from the beginning of the match, I had assumed those spells meant he simply understood how the magics worked, not that he had adept control over each of them. So now that I'm stuck with them, I'd like a synopsis to work with. You stated much of his spells are inspired by d&d, but even d&d requires individual spells be shown. Also you mentioned that Ishtalle is capable of spells not written in Corban or her own sheet... I must be able to see them all, please.
So far, my argument has been that I don't see the logic in the clone bomb. In PM and IC you've described it as a powerful cryogenic explosion, which I'm interpreting as a huge drop in temperature. Now you've stated that because kinetic force is expelled, and it's cryogenic, Myron won't be able to control his ice any more... but I don't see any reason whatsoever that entails Myron shouldn't have control over his ice, just because it's now extra cold. By using cryogenic magic, Corban is mostly stepping out of the boundaries of his skillset and in to Myron's, whereas simple 'conjuration' in a basic form shouldn't allow him to overpower another mage's control over something they've dedicated their life to... when Corban only has a single word explanation on his own control over ice; '[Conjuration]?' It states he dislikes this domain of magic, so I'm unsure how the 'likes' and 'dislikes' terms have any sway over his control, if he's able to use such advanced spells such as this.
So somehow he obtained the powers of cryogenic freezing, made them in to a bomb inside a clone, created the clone in his image with absolute perfect features (without illusonry, as you said), and controlled the clone perfectly whilst travelling underground at the same time... all in a 1-2 second timeframe in-between shooting a gem, and dashing/digging underground. Although I figure this might be possible, it's the reason I've complained that I should be allowed to use Myron's high-tier fighting set. (And why I've unlocked his rift and gravity runes for this fight, which I generally save for higher tiers.) Now I'm honestly accepting of most of the things here, but all at once, and the effect nulling my magic? Now that I don't see.
Corban's bracketed skills are still much of a mystery to me, as well, and I assume your cryogenic magic stems from one of them. If I need a judge's ruling on one thing, it's to see a full list of what Corban is capable of within those bracketed spells. Honestly from the beginning of the match, I had assumed those spells meant he simply understood how the magics worked, not that he had adept control over each of them. So now that I'm stuck with them, I'd like a synopsis to work with. You stated much of his spells are inspired by d&d, but even d&d requires individual spells be shown. Also you mentioned that Ishtalle is capable of spells not written in Corban or her own sheet... I must be able to see them all, please.
GM
@Dazsos
If you want your argument to be seen without cluttering up the OOC, I can simply add her to pm's where she can read every argument previously made by us and decipher there. Its for that reason I took our disagreements to pm's, so that we wouldn't need to repeat ourselves, and id personally rather not rewrite everything I've already explained to you. For the sake of the argument I've prepared a small synopsis:
1. I have already said to you multiple times in pm's that Corban has no definitive list of spells.
2. I have already explained his magic to you as well, even going as far to give you short paragraphs of his skill in every other area of magic, and you still insist on your own personal, convenient definitions for my magic. The cryogenic liquid is not conjuration, it would count as evocation, a primary component of his class. Ice magic would also be well within his area of expertise. Ice is a type of crystal. It isnt 'conjuration', and it isn't illusion. So again stop assuming convenient things about my character for your argument.
3. About your liquid, youre still not understanding the physics behind the defense. It draws away kinetic energy. If something cannot amass any kinetic energy, it can't move, even if you exert force on it. Its a derivative of his kinetic barrier spell I mentioned in pm's. That's why your character can't simply control it anyway even though water is a specialty for him.
4. I already explained this to you in pm's as well, about the clones appearance. All of that would be possible without 'illusory' magic. He applied illusory principles in that he's fooling your characters visual senses, but not through magical tampering. It's through clever use of his other vocations, particularly transmutation and earth magic. I also explain he can only control the clone if its feet are on the ground, which is a fair trade. You keep trying to label me high-powered, and have been for some time, yet fail to see your characters own power threshold, while ignoring all of my concessions. My first spell couldnt even effect physical materials and was useless as a practical weapon, yet you still had an issue with it being able to stop your unprepped attack that could, by your definition disintegrate magic and physical objects with ease. my clone could only be controlled while on the ground. My original spell only applied to magic and magic-like forces. I let you just eat the rail gun attack as well with no complaints from my end. Your chatacter can eat a rail gunned diamond to the chest, he can fire disintegrative rays over 100 feet with no preps, and can conjure multiple defenses and summons within very short times of each other. A defense I might add, that is absolute and can't be destroyed by anything conceivable since it isn't energy, physical, or even metaphysical. Its a phase of space. I am not convinced you couldn't deal with Corban with everything currently at your disposal in terms of raw power. At every turn, you want more access to your high powered abilities, and I've granted them. You can control gravity, and teleport. And now you want more based on the small amount of perfectly reasonable things I've done?
Yeah, this will have to come down to judge intervention.
@Innue You are needed. I'll add you to our PM conversation so you can see our full, comprehensive arguments. I am on mobile so id rather not rewrite it all
Edit: Turns out I can't add others to Pm's. Not sure if there is any way around this. If required I can quote our messages from PM's and send them to @Innue so she can read the Director's Cut version of our arguments. If not, then id hope I've explained enough here for her.
If you want your argument to be seen without cluttering up the OOC, I can simply add her to pm's where she can read every argument previously made by us and decipher there. Its for that reason I took our disagreements to pm's, so that we wouldn't need to repeat ourselves, and id personally rather not rewrite everything I've already explained to you. For the sake of the argument I've prepared a small synopsis:
1. I have already said to you multiple times in pm's that Corban has no definitive list of spells.
2. I have already explained his magic to you as well, even going as far to give you short paragraphs of his skill in every other area of magic, and you still insist on your own personal, convenient definitions for my magic. The cryogenic liquid is not conjuration, it would count as evocation, a primary component of his class. Ice magic would also be well within his area of expertise. Ice is a type of crystal. It isnt 'conjuration', and it isn't illusion. So again stop assuming convenient things about my character for your argument.
3. About your liquid, youre still not understanding the physics behind the defense. It draws away kinetic energy. If something cannot amass any kinetic energy, it can't move, even if you exert force on it. Its a derivative of his kinetic barrier spell I mentioned in pm's. That's why your character can't simply control it anyway even though water is a specialty for him.
4. I already explained this to you in pm's as well, about the clones appearance. All of that would be possible without 'illusory' magic. He applied illusory principles in that he's fooling your characters visual senses, but not through magical tampering. It's through clever use of his other vocations, particularly transmutation and earth magic. I also explain he can only control the clone if its feet are on the ground, which is a fair trade. You keep trying to label me high-powered, and have been for some time, yet fail to see your characters own power threshold, while ignoring all of my concessions. My first spell couldnt even effect physical materials and was useless as a practical weapon, yet you still had an issue with it being able to stop your unprepped attack that could, by your definition disintegrate magic and physical objects with ease. my clone could only be controlled while on the ground. My original spell only applied to magic and magic-like forces. I let you just eat the rail gun attack as well with no complaints from my end. Your chatacter can eat a rail gunned diamond to the chest, he can fire disintegrative rays over 100 feet with no preps, and can conjure multiple defenses and summons within very short times of each other. A defense I might add, that is absolute and can't be destroyed by anything conceivable since it isn't energy, physical, or even metaphysical. Its a phase of space. I am not convinced you couldn't deal with Corban with everything currently at your disposal in terms of raw power. At every turn, you want more access to your high powered abilities, and I've granted them. You can control gravity, and teleport. And now you want more based on the small amount of perfectly reasonable things I've done?
Yeah, this will have to come down to judge intervention.
@Innue You are needed. I'll add you to our PM conversation so you can see our full, comprehensive arguments. I am on mobile so id rather not rewrite it all
Edit: Turns out I can't add others to Pm's. Not sure if there is any way around this. If required I can quote our messages from PM's and send them to @Innue so she can read the Director's Cut version of our arguments. If not, then id hope I've explained enough here for her.
You'd have to quote it to send it to me I think. But it'd be helpful in making a ruling.
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