Super Tuesday

[Keyguyperson]

[mdk]

Internet echo chamber is finally cracking a window.

[Keyguyperson]

Internet echo chamber is finally cracking a window.

@mdk

Most of the internet hype for Bernie is/was from people who can't actually vote. Like me. We underestimated how many people were like that, and we're paying the price.

[mdk]

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Most of the internet hype for Bernie is/was from people who can't actually vote. Like me. We underestimated how many people were like that, and we're paying the price.

@Keyguyperson

I never really wondered if Bernie had a chance or not -- he was never getting it. But what I do wonder is, how many Sanders supporters will remember just how dirty the Clintons are when the general election cycle starts up. I mean you guys dug up more dirt on her than the GOP candidates -- it mattered enough to talk about in the primary, will it stick around come election time? That's the real question.

[Keyguyperson]

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I never really wondered if Bernie had a chance or not -- he was never getting it. But what I do wonder is, how many Sanders supporters will remember just how dirty the Clintons are when the general election cycle starts up. I mean you guys dug up more dirt on her than the GOP candidates -- it mattered enough to talk about in the primary, will it stick around come election time? That's the real question.

@mdk

I've heard some Sanders folks saying they'll vote for Trump. I doubt most people will do anything different though, you know how party lines are. Everyone will just go vote with what their daddy did when they were a kid, or what their hip friends say they're going to do. In the end, American elections are a bunch of really important stuff nobody cares enough about, then a bit where two people scream at each other for fun while hoping they got some independent votes.

Then again, I've also heard people mentioning voting third party. But that's less of a point to make and more a massive joke, because they actually believe a third party would have a chance and that's just funny.

[Vilageidiotx]

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I never really wondered if Bernie had a chance or not -- he was never getting it. But what I do wonder is, how many Sanders supporters will remember just how dirty the Clintons are when the general election cycle starts up. I mean you guys dug up more dirt on her than the GOP candidates -- it mattered enough to talk about in the primary, will it stick around come election time? That's the real question.

@mdk

If Sanders don't get it, I vote Green. I planned on that back when Sanders was fifty points behind. I'm a leftist certainly, but I've never considered myself a Democrat.

[mdk]

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If Sanders don't get it, I vote Green. I planned on that back when Sanders was fifty points behind. I'm a leftist certainly, but I've never considered myself a Democrat.

@Vilageidiotx

I'm in the same boat on the right. I'm not voting for Trump..... however for literally over a decade I've been waiting for a chance to vote against Hillary, so that might happen. But Cruz is the guy I would've actually voted for.

But yeah. Not a Republican, because they're really not small-government or freedom. I'd go libertarian except their foreign policy blows.

[Vilageidiotx]

Then again, I've also heard people mentioning voting third party. But that's less of a point to make and more a massive joke, because they actually believe a third party would have a chance and that's just funny.

@Keyguyperson

That's the problem though. A vote isn't a bet on who is going to win. An election isn't supposed to be a cathartic emotional thing like professional sports. Voting isn't a game; it is a civil duty. In theory, everyone is supposed to vote for the person who most closely represent their own views and values. It is supposed to be the jobs of politicians to earn our vote.

But by making it all about voting for the winner, by scaring people into voting for a "Lesser Evil", politically parties have the voters coming to them. They decide what their course of action is going to be, and if voters don't like it, they point at the other guy and say "They're worse". The voters have to do all the bending in that situation.

I am convinced that American politics is only as corrupt as you'd expect for how much money is in it, but that the real problem isn't at all corruption, but that the voters aren't responsible with their voting. The idea of voting "Against" a party by voting for the other, that's a big part of why everything is the way it is.

So yeh, I think that Clinton only really stands for Clinton; that she wouldn't do anything to forward any causes that I am interested in. What I think about the Republicans or their candidate is irrelevant. I vote for what I believe, and that's all I can do to fulfill my civic duty.

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I'm in the same boat on the right. I'm not voting for Trump..... however for literally over a decade I've been waiting for a chance to vote against Hillary, so that might happen. But Cruz is the guy I would've actually voted for.

But yeah. Not a Republican, because they're really not small-government or freedom. I'd go libertarian except their foreign policy blows.

@mdk

Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part, but I like the anti-establishment vibe in this round of primaries. That effect probably won't last into the general, but the success of Sanders and Trump does suggest people don't have much faith in the established party politic anymore, and that's nice.

[Dinh AaronMk]

When it all goes tits up let's bypass Canada and go straight to Europe. Belgium, maybe.

Hell, Germany has a free college program for foreign students, you gotta spreche Deutsche though, but I hear if you talk to a recruiter about it you can get enrolled in German classes too and some are offered in English as well.

[Vilageidiotx]

When it all goes tits up let's bypass Canada and go straight to Europe. Belgium, maybe.

Hell, Germany has a free college program for foreign students, you gotta spreche Deutsche though, but I hear if you talk to a recruiter about it you can get enrolled in German classes too and some are offered in English as well.

@Dinh AaronMk

I've been thinking about something that. Not because of politics, just a general want to change things up for myself.

[Dinh AaronMk]

I'd probably do it if my German wasn't rustier than a civil war sword found buried under wet mud for a hundred years, and if I wasn't already on an eventual road to failure here.

[Vilageidiotx]

I'd probably do it if my German wasn't rustier than a civil war sword found buried under wet mud for a hundred years, and if I wasn't already on an eventual road to failure here.

@Dinh AaronMk

Take a refresher class or two, then jump in and pick up the rest in the process of living there if that is what you really want to do.

[Shorticus]

I'll be honest: I consider myself a very liberal individual, and I am still 100% a Bernie Sanders fan... and I will not vote for Hilary under any circumstances. She's got a history of scandals that makes Littlefinger and the Lannisters look like saints. It doesn't help her case that she's really, really inconsistent about her values (the only consistent thing about her is she lies about her consistency), and her chief rallying cry to appeal to folks who are anti-establishment has been "I'M A WOMAN!"

I'm not sure precisely how I'm going to vote yet, but I'm... I actually feel very sad about this turn of events. I knew it was going to happen, but still.

I'm hoping someone with money endorses Bernie, or that enough people donate to keep him in this election even though he's not going to be the Democratic party's choice.

[Vilageidiotx]

I'll be honest: I consider myself a very liberal individual, and I am still 100% a Bernie Sanders fan... and I will not vote for Hilary under any circumstances. She's got a history of scandals that makes Littlefinger and the Lannisters look like saints. It doesn't help her case that she's really, really inconsistent about her values (the only consistent thing about her is she lies about her consistency), and her chief rallying cry to appeal to folks who are anti-establishment has been "I'M A WOMAN!"

I'm not sure precisely how I'm going to vote yet, but I'm... I actually feel very sad about this turn of events. I knew it was going to happen, but still.

I'm hoping someone with money endorses Bernie, or that enough people donate to keep him in this election even though he's not going to be the Democratic party's choice.

@Shorticus

Shits not over yet. Back at the new year, it seemed apparent he wasn't supposed to get this far, then they suddenly became neck and neck. The biggest danger right now is that the fickle millennial vote will jump ship at the first sign of trouble.

[Shorticus]

Yeah, I haven't given up entirely. I'm very worried, though, and if Bernie doesn't get the Democratic party's support, well... Again: I really hope he gets some financial backing so he can stay in the race.

[Vilageidiotx]

Yeah, I haven't given up entirely. I'm very worried, though, and if Bernie doesn't get the Democratic party's support, well... Again: I really hope he gets some financial backing so he can stay in the race.

@Shorticus

They don't seem to be doing too bad with donations right now. He'd need them in the general... but the Dems will inevitably support themselves if they end up being forced to run Sanders.

We'll see what happens. Things happen slowly in politics, the take away is that Sanders might represent which way the wind is blowing, considering his youth support, and that the millennial generation isn't exactly staring down financial success anytime soon. The brewing discontent can only get worse from here.

And if it doesn't get worse, well, that must mean the situation on the ground is actually improving, and as somebody on the ground I'd love the improvement no matter how it happens.

[Dinh AaronMk]

The thing to point out about the youth vote as a youth voter is that there's not enough of them in the off-year and lesser elections. Even if we did elect Sanders he'd have to deal with a Congress elected primarily by the old establishment farts and not individuals elected on any sort of youth or alternative vote.

So if Sanders wins or loses, or if Trump wins or loses: that entire demographic should swing all about the political pole hitting as much as it can, including even township or county offices to reshape the face of politics. Or if there's really no one representing you running: run yourself. For fuck's sakes make a youth political party out of the college campus or something to mobilize a base.

[mdk]

The thing to point out about the youth vote as a youth voter is that there's not enough of them in the off-year and lesser elections. Even if we did elect Sanders he'd have to deal with a Congress elected primarily by the old establishment farts and not individuals elected on any sort of youth or alternative vote.

So if Sanders wins or loses, or if Trump wins or loses: that entire demographic should swing all about the political pole hitting as much as it can, including even township or county offices to reshape the face of politics. Or if there's really no one representing you running: run yourself. For fuck's sakes make a youth political party out of the college campus or something to mobilize a base.

@Dinh AaronMk

The defining trait of the youth vote is that every single candidate they ever back is the most monumentally important candidate in the history of the United States -- simply because they've never paid attention until just now. If you vote 'youth party' even once, you'll be sorely disappointed in what they become by the next cycle (or else, it ceases to be the youth party and the NEW youth have to organize again).

TLDR: you're just creating a slightly younger democrat party, destined to become exactly the same thing -- a loose coalition of frangible demographics bound together by reputation and exploitation (like how lol the Clintons somehow own the 99%ers, and Obama got the gay vote, and the Hispanic vote is shamelessly purchased through federal spending). That's the inevitable destiny of any 'youth party' you could ever assemble. Organize on principles -- vote socialist if that's what you're into, at least everyone involved will be honestly on board with your platform.

[Revolutionary]

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But that's less of a point to make and more a massive joke, because they actually believe a third party would have a chance and that's just funny.

@Keyguyperson

I'm voting third party, but not because I think any of them have a chance. Two words: Spoiler role. I just want to give the major parties enough of a scare that maybe they'll wisen up.

[Dinh AaronMk]

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The defining trait of the youth vote is that every single candidate they ever back is the most monumentally important candidate in the history of the United States -- simply because they've never paid attention until just now. If you vote 'youth party' even once, you'll be sorely disappointed in what they become by the next cycle (or else, it ceases to be the youth party and the NEW youth have to organize again).

TLDR: you're just creating a slightly younger democrat party, destined to become exactly the same thing -- a loose coalition of frangible demographics bound together by reputation and exploitation (like how lol the Clintons somehow own the 99%ers, and Obama got the gay vote, and the Hispanic vote is shamelessly purchased through federal spending). That's the inevitable destiny of any 'youth party' you could ever assemble. Organize on principles -- vote socialist if that's what you're into, at least everyone involved will be honestly on board with your platform.

@mdk

I say "Youth Party" as an umbrella for whatever's trendy at the time. I don't have any other term to toss out.

Whether it be Trump for the meme value, or Bernie for being the face of a new generation of voters. Someone's going to be the epitome of the youth opinion, but not many of them will have made effective change before or after the fact at lower levels to actually make a political foundation.