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@NarcissisticPotato Hybrids are always Drakkens. They'll have both of the father's elements, or maybe, in rare cases, one of the father's elements and the mother's, if they're different.
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I think that I saw somewhere that the answer was yes, but do humans exist?
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@NarcissisticPotato Hybrids are always Drakkens. They'll have both of the father's elements, or maybe, in rare cases, one of the father's elements and the mother's, if they're different.


Are they socially treated the same as a pureblood Drakken? Actually, thinking about it, I don't think that would matter for a normal hybrid but I'm making this other Drakken girl a bastard so I imagine she'll be down on the pecking order anyways!
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@NarcissisticPotato Most drakken lords would be half-gem because they're children of other lords, the ones who take gem wives. SO I'm not sure that would matter.
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@NarcissisticPotato I think we tossed around the idea of Drakken with gem mothers being looked upon well, as their Drakken parent had to be successful to earn a Gem bride. In any case, there's no negative connotations with it because they're born full Drakken. Your bastard, however, will probably have a lower spot in the pecking order compared to the rest of the family.
@SevenStormStyle No, humans ain't a thing. The only races we deal with in this RP are the Drakken and the Gems, as I believe the Drakken wiped out all other southern races and the Gems were the only race in the north (judging by the mythology and conversations I remember having in previous incarnations).
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@Obscene Symphony wait I'm confused; the gems were to the south of the drakkens.
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@Obscene Symphony wait I'm confused; the gems were to the south of the drakkens.


Nah the Southern races were the barbarians that the Drakken protected the Gems from, I believe?

@NarcissisticPotato I think we tossed around the idea of Drakken with gem mothers being looked upon well, as their Drakken parent had to be successful to earn a Gem bride. In any case, there's no negative connotations with it because they're born full Drakken. Your bastard, however, will probably have a lower spot in the pecking order compared to the rest of the family.


Damn! Now I have to wonder if they're weak because of that shit or if they're some crazy bastardo that gives Rynek a run for his money!
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@NarcissisticPotato I think we tossed around the idea of Drakken with gem mothers being looked upon well, as their Drakken parent had to be successful to earn a Gem bride. In any case, there's no negative connotations with it because they're born full Drakken. Your bastard, however, will probably have a lower spot in the pecking order compared to the rest of the family.
@SevenStormStyle No, humans ain't a thing. The only races we deal with in this RP are the Drakken and the Gems, as I believe the Drakken wiped out all other southern races and the Gems were the only race in the north (judging by the mythology and conversations I remember having in previous incarnations).


Thank you. I thought I read something in one of the old incarnations that involved one of the Drakken lords having human servants and another being part of a human slave trade is all.
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I recall a Drakken in the last incarnation having an npc bride who was actually neither Gem nor Drakken; I think it's probably safest to assume other races/nations exist (and the Drakken probably have other nefarious, dark peace pacts with them, or just use them as punching bags) but that they are insignificant to the plot of this RP (this is about the Drakken and Gems, and in this sort of period people didn't typically migrate long distances) and won't appear.
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@NarcissisticPotato The drakken were to the north. The Gems were south of them. Then there was another race to the south of the Gems. That's what I thought, anyway
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The 20/100 analogy just seems to basically be pointing out that if 20 years is 20% of a Gems life, 20% of a Drakkens life is 100 years. It doesn't say anything about development; And surely the description of the Drakkens homeland as being a harsh, brutal place doesn't support the idea of the species having a long development time, they wouldn't have that luxury. If anything they would need to mature quicker.

As for selection, the Gems aren't actively selecting for those types of genes... The Drakken actually are. Drakken women are rare, they probably marry exclusively the high class Drakken. Gem brides are also exclusively the higher class Drakken. So how come there is a body of common Drakken at all? Surely it should be dwindling?
Well, a very sexually deprived brute just took part in a raid on a town; He decides he doesn't quite like being sexually deprived and sees a few juicy foreign females; He decides he wants to take them home to be his concubines. His commander turns a blind eye; After all, he gets to bugger beautiful Gem girls and Drakken ladies, what does it matter what his men do with foreign dogs?
Now that brute is taking these women, and another one decides he quite likes the look of them. So he basically engages in posturing and, if that fails, a fight; The strongest, fastest, most intimidating and quite possibly the most cunning would be the most likely to make the other back down and keep the women for himself.
In other words, traits of an average, successful common Drakken; Strong, Fast, Tall (intimidation) large horns (intimidation again) Sly.
Now, the biggest and strongest has won; He takes these women home and rapes them through the peace time in order to pass it by; this inadvertently results in a lot of children sharing his genes.

The advantage to defending isn't that nobody knows where your stuff is, its that you force the enemy to come to you; Its much easier to hold a hill or mountain pass than it is to take it, for example.

You actually miss an advantage the Gems have, believe it or not; They're a breadbasket by comparison. They would almost certainly have more people. Unless the Gems are absolute idiots, they at least have some laws regarding levies. Raise a peasant levy (you can even get more than a typical levy would, because its on the defensive) and you'll have soldiers to fight with. Yeah, okay, they aren't exactly trained soldiers but there would be a good number of them.
Not to mention, the Drakken are assuming an easy fight. They're going to attack very, very aggressively; with the right moves, the main army could be fractured into smaller warbands and fought individually, and armies could be goaded into overextending or marching into bad terrain.
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the Drakken may have maps but they don't know the land as well as the people who live there. Most Gems will know what is safe to eat and what isn't, while the Drakken wont all know that. They will know shortcuts, they will know where they can hide themselves, they'll know which areas they could lure the Drakken into for an ambush etc

Yeah, the Gems don't hold many cards and the deck is stacked heavily against them, but they have their own cards without having to making the Drakken into a race of total idiots who take 5 times longer to learn anything. Besides, wasn't the whole point is kind of yes, the Gems are pretty screwed if they stand alone?

IF they stand alone; you're assuming the brides are at their most useful for espionage, sabotage and assassination. While all are potentially useful (if used at the right moment, naturally) you're missing a very, very important function; Diplomacy. This is sort of medieval, feudal period is one where foreign policy is almost indistinguishable from a rulers personal desires and relations; If a Bride could convince her husband to hold back his forces or even outright switch sides, thats going to be far, far more useful.
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I recall a Drakken in the last incarnation having an npc bride who was actually neither Gem nor Drakken; I think it's probably safest to assume other races/nations exist (and the Drakken probably have other nefarious, dark peace pacts with them, or just use them as punching bags) but that they are insignificant to the plot of this RP (this is about the Drakken and Gems, and in this sort of period people didn't typically migrate long distances) and won't appear.


I remember her, I think she was just a Gem from a southern kingdom. It was kind of unclear.

Also, Jesus you guys go hard. I'm going to need a few minutes to read through all this XD I was caught up with an important project all night. Stand by!
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@NarcissisticPotato The drakken were to the north. The Gems were south of them. Then there was another race to the south of the Gems. That's what I thought, anyway


I was going by the Vivari mythology, where Vivari fled with her gentle children north of the Great Spine

(Forgive my repeated posts I'm very tired and on mobile ^_^ thanks)
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I remember her, I think she was just a Gem from a southern kingdom. It was kind of unclear.

Also, Jesus you guys go hard. I'm going to need a few minutes to read through all this XD I was caught up with an important project all night. Stand by!


The image certainly didnt look anything like a Gem though, and she was from "Delbrick" iirc.

And lol, sorry
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Oh so I've decided to just play as Kalani :)
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The image certainly didnt look anything like a Gem though, and she was from "Delbrick" iirc.

And lol, sorry


I don't remember XD I have no issue with other races existing, they're just not playable. Fair?
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Okay here I go. Forgive me if I don't make sense, it's late and I'm exhausted :/

@darkwolf687 @WilsonTurner You both raise excellent arguments. Will, I get where you're coming from, even if I don't necessarily agree. I have been siding further with the point that Wolfy brought up, that the Gems are likely screwed if they stand alone (which I believe was the idea of the first incarnation). I have no problem with the Cult, I just don't see them waging war and winning. I always liked the idea that diplomacy was a huge factor, outwitting the enemy instead of overpowering them, etc.

I'm fine with the Cultists having somewhat of an edge in skill, just maybe not in power. For example, it may take more than one cultist to take down a Drakken but they're damn efficient at it by now. Maybe they've discovered a way to use their elements in tandem for a greater effect (firestorms, for example). They know their land and how to exploit their enemy upon it. And, like Gems in general, they have numbers. They can afford to throw a lot of people at the problem. Am I making sense? It's after midnight forgive me if I'm not.

Conclusion, you both make good points and I really think that both of your views can actually work off of each other's. Your advantages and disadvantages can actually mix pretty well. It's not a balanced fight, but it wasn't supposed to be, eh?

Forgive me if I'm forgetting anything, and feel free to call me out on it. I'd really like to bring all these ideas into play, okay? ^_^
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@Obscene Symphony Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking lol.

And lol, it's alright. It's half three here in the UK so... You know, I'm not exactly awake myself
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ok so I spend forever writing this and trying to show both sides, and am now really unsure if I should post it.



Summary: meh what's it matter I was just trying to show both sides of my thinking in one post

we should combine everyone's ideas b/c honestly player collaboration in world-building and understanding the basis of the RP is what makes RPs fun, along with our characters exploring the world and interacting with it. yes the chances of the Gems surviving are slim, but that makes it all the more interesting and fun to see the fight play out. (and personally everyone's put so much thought into everything and I love all the ideas, there are so many different ways to go about it and every way is interesting, like how in a video game there's easy, normal, and hard modes.)
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