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What is your opinion on "school/academy" RPs?

@Mr Allen J I agree that for me to be interested they need a gimmick.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. What does my opinion change?

If people like school RP's then let them have their school RP's, damn. Let the children have their sandbox, let the adults have their murderous smut RP's, let the Koreans have their advertisements.

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiet.

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@Dinh AaronMk You would get away with here too if your avatar wasn't a damn pony, man.

Do you join RPs because people you like are interested in it?

The roleplay itself decides if I am interested, if there's a friend in it it's just more likely I'll join it. I mean, depending on the friend. If the person is trill as fuck but a bad writer I might just pass.

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@Dinh AaronMk Also, while I feel you're onto something with the manga reading stuff (god I fucking hate weebs) I feel like you'll have a hard time coming up with any concrete evidence.

I believe there's a small link, but I don't think you can prove anything more than 'look it's possible'

What happened to you RP? You used to be cool!

I haven't been here the past year but things do seem different.

It feels like There are less interest checks being posted, and way more variations on the same idea (post-apocolyptic military survival, anyone?), fewer fandom-based rps, and...what happened to the friend system? I can't find my friends list.

@Silver Carrot

No, they just changed.

Used to be there were 300 MLP RP's. I'm kinda glad we moved past that.

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Counting high-population centers and listing them as just simply how much rapes happen there will be a given since there's so many more people compared to the rural south. You would really need to do this by per-capita but even then it may be hard to discern if education or the lack there-of is really the problem since cities will naturally have higher per-capita for everything due to the richness of targets in high-population environments.

But, whatever.

In semi-related open thinking, I'm going to point out that the legal existence of rape in Japan is relatively new compared to the rest of the world. But in the rape stats page I was using on Wikipedia Japan is omitted and is only evoked twice as a comparison to Australia (1.2 per 100,000 reported cases in Japan versus Australia's 28.6 per 100,000) and in a large table of general rape stats. My only source on the "recent" introduction of rape law in Japan and the concept of its "culture" comes from all places a novel: Death by Water by Kenziboru Oe.

As a general over-view one of the major plots after the advertised plot basically takes a shit and dies some five chapters in is one of the character's experiences with having been raped when she was seventeen and being forced to get an abortion because of it.

That in hand in mind I can be very, very cheeky and suggest the anime-watching, manga-reading alt-right MRA crowd adopts their attitudes of rape ("Rapu", as it's creatively called in Japan) directly from a culture that has a bit of catching up to come to grips with what the fuck a modern western rape is. But that's something I should keep on hand if I feel like shitposting on /pol/ or something.

@Dinh AaronMk

Hm, well, yes. Naturally it's gonna happen more in more densely populated areas. I don't really have stats to back anything up in that department, so like I said, I was gonna go on a limb.

Even per capita it'd be widely inaccurate because rape is context based and needs nuance, it needs facts on what happened and it's up to the beholder to decide whether they think it's rape.

If two adults get drunk together and have (at that time, consensual but drunk) sex and the woman then claims it was rape that's not rape in my eyes if the man wasn't feeding her drinks to get her drunk for the sole purpose of having sex with her. That's just two people getting drunk and an accident happening.

I'm glad I don't read manga though, and that I'm not alt-right. I don't think we even have an alt-right here...

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Thats nice, not sure what that has to do with my argument about consent....

@Dynamo Frokane

Nothing, it has to do with you proclaiming 'playing devils advocate' as you can clearly read.

Oh so you aren't an MRA? You don't advocate for men's rights? Because I do. I must've been mistaken about you.

@Dynamo Frokane

No, I'm not an MRA, in the same way I'm not a feminist. I advocate rights for both sides to equalize the law rather than focus on either of the two groups exclusively.

Men are severely debilitated in many areas of legality such as divorce laws, childrens visitation rights, alimony, abortion, as well as being severely over-represented in many negative statistics such as combat deaths, work accidents, suicide statistics.

There's also a worrying trend of men not receiving the care they need when they struggle with mental illness, men not being taken seriously when they are reporting rape/sexual abuse, or abuse within marital situations.

But no, I'd rather not associate myself with MRA's, even if my ideas sound like theirs sometimes. I like to think it's possible to work on both the issues of females and males without having to go through the trouble of adding a label to myself. It's easier to present myself without having to worry about the thoughts of some MRA group/feminism group and what they think about what I want to say. I say what I want to say, and if that happens to align with what an MRA group thinks then great, otherwise, I don't care.

Also, most MRA's are really cringy. 'MGTOW' groups are kinda aids too.

1. I'm not american, I'm not sure what USA has to do with my post.

2. I learned about sex education in school when I was about 10 too, so this isn't an argument, moving on....

@Dynamo Frokane

1. It has to do with your post that when we talk about rape, we have an American-centric view. Most cases that we can talk about happen in the US, other 'rape stories' don't make it big internationally and so it shapes our perception of rape even if this isn't necessarily the case elsewhere.

2. Good, and as you can see, you're a healthy individual who knows not to rape women.

;)

Maybe there's a link.

So I see a google search with a few articles talking about consent classes. I think we both agree that consent is important. I can say that if any school is saying "Dont snatch a woman from the bushes" then they are stupid. If you could provide me a source of a direct quote where any school, american or otherwise has said that, then I will call them stupid too. If not there isn't really an arguement.

@Dynamo Frokane

If you genuinely think consent classes are about consent then .. well, it's pretty clear they're just meant for some teacher to wag their finger at males and go 'damn rapists'. That has been my experience anyway. Maybe if the consent class was held by some rational person, but as we know people who study gender studies aren't really rational people most of the time.

Introducing mandatory lessons on the correct way for students to have sex, whatever their gender, is also a gross overstepping of individual boundaries on the part of the university authorities. The people arriving in halls may be young, many of them fresh out of school, but they are nonetheless autonomous adults, responsible for their own choices in life and answerable for the consequences of their actions.

irishtimes.com/opinion/sexual-consent-..

I am in college to learn a trade and obtain information, not for school to mandatorily tell me how to have sex, how to get consent and how to forge a relationship with someone. As I've said before; I am not against consent classes, I am against the fact that they are mandatory and that they brand all men as potential rapists and all women as potential victims.

Honestly, I'm quite sure that a college telling students how to have sex is not even within their educational scope. Focus on teaching kids what they need to learn. Sexual education is for highschool or primary school.

The prevalence of sexual assaults on campus – and elsewhere – will not be remedied by this neo-puritan preaching to students. As well as being inappropriate, it is simply too late by then. The time for teaching and exploring the nature of consent is when people really are children. The absence of thorough, open and honest sex education in schools may be one of the real reasons that Irish universities are struggling to deal with an excess of lairy behaviour now.

irishtimes.com/opinion/sexual-consent-..

Moving on from that; even if you are correct, even if consent classes were classes about consent - there's zero evidence they work. There's not been a single rape prevented by these classes, I am sure of that. But we can't prove a negative so it's rather hard for me to back up that claim.

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@Dinh AaronMk I'm gonna go on a limb and say that most rapes in the US happen in either the rural south, or the high-population cities like NY, NJ, LA, etc.

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@Dinh AaronMk Your quote on the Dutch law is correct but interpreted wrongly.

Volgens de wet is verkrachting iemand dwingen tot het ondergaan van handelingen die (mede) bestaan uit het seksueel binnendringen van het lichaam door middel van (bedreiging met) geweld of door middel van (bedreiging met) een andere feitelijkheid. Kortom: er moet sprake zijn van dwang, door (bedreiging met) geweld of een andere feitelijkheid. Die dwang moet tot seksuele handelingen leiden waarbij het lichaam wordt binnengedrongen. Is dat het geval, dan is een veroordeling voor verkrachting mogelijk.

'.. through (threat of) violence and/or through (threat of) another factuality..'

This other factuality can be anything. It can be drugs, it can be alcohol, it can be a large number of things depending on what the judge makes of it. There has to be 'force' not in the sense of violence but 'force' in the sense of incapacity to decline.

So yes, actually, it does get reported. But the English translation doesn't translate as well. Mostly because you removed the brackets. So in fact the laws in the US and NL are, pretty much, equal.

Marital rape was included in 1991 actually and it was only in 1991 that we also made it legally possible for a man to get raped.

Groping isn't considered rape here but rather 'sexual assault' or 'aanranding' as we call it. It's a different class and basically relates to sexual acts that do not include penetration.

In any case, since the laws are pretty much equal, I wonder what's wrong in the US so much that we have 2 entirely different situations. Probably not relating to the legal system then, but rather, the education of children when it comes to what is acceptable and what isn't.

I've also learned that many American schools don't offer sexual education.

Maybe that's a start.

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@Vilageidiotx Again, I'm not American, the whole 'raping a girl who is unconscious at a party' has never happened here in my lifetime. I've not seen it in the news once.

Rapes here happen at night, in quiet places, or happen by a relative/friend of the family. There's just a totally different culture here - which to a feminist doesn't matter because the world is all based off of the USA anyway - and sad to say but rape is a non-issue here in the sense that it occurs so little and in such controlled areas that it's hard to blame men for it.

But yeah obviously fucking chicks that are passed out at a party, and obviously a woman saying no and continuing to have sex with her, those are bad. But like I said, you have to be pretty fucking stupid not to realize that you should at least stop and ask her 'do you really mean no?'

And honestly if you have sex with a passed out girl then what the fuck you deserve to get jailed.

Recent case being Brock Turner. Guy should be in jail for life.

Either way, I still disagree with what you're saying. But that's because I'm Dutch, not American, so I know that we teach children from a very very young age not to do things like that.

In the USA you lot just need a better sexual education system from 10-12 years old, not at college campuses. It's just demeaning and insulting at that point.