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Why I am against the criminalization of the KKK - and why you should be too.

@Vilageidiotx My one problem with the whole 'punching a nazi is now ok!' was because of the fucking hypocrisy. Advocates of equal rights suddenly running out to punch people purely for disagreeing with them.

I wouldn't even have a problem with that if the guy that punched him was a real tough guy like he tried to be and a) didn't wrap his face to hide it and b) didn't run away like a fucking pussy.

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Why I am against the criminalization of the KKK - and why you should be too.

@cpldingo In my country and, I dare say, most countries, this task falls on the law enforcement agencies. It's their job to protect legal protests.

That said, I am pro-violence, so I don't think you're putting forth a bad proposal here. The thing is that I am against hypocrisy, and 'violent opposition' and 'democracy' sadly do not go hand in hand.

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@Kingfisher

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Why I am against the criminalization of the KKK - and why you should be too.

@Vilageidiotx Doesn't cost shit here except some evidence that, like, there's actually people gonna show up. If it's a small protest (1-10 people?) you don't even need a permit, lol.

Why I am against the criminalization of the KKK - and why you should be too.

@Vilageidiotx Even neo-nazi groups aren't enough to warrant this all because the same principles I just proposed in the OP also apply to neonazi groups. Repression = faster and heavier radicalization. It's a timebomb.

Ban on masks has already been imposed in Europe. Specifically motorcycle helmets and balaclavas. Wearing them anywhere other than on a motorcycle will get you arrested. Not hard to hold up, and it's not arbitrary since they are 2 well defined clothing articles. So far it has worked. Somewhat.

And since protests typically need permits (here in the Netherlands, unsure about US, can't imagine it's different there though) it'd be pretty easy to just have oversight, and pick out those people wearing clothing that is too concealing. I suppose a warning could be given first, but really, they'd just re-enter the crowd and put it back on.

I remember the G20 in Toronto had heavy problems with this type of shit, where people would conceal themselves, break down Starbucks and other 'capitalist' symbols, and then disperse and undress and rejoin the regular protesters. It was hard to deal with.

Why I am against the criminalization of the KKK - and why you should be too.

1st Amendment frees you from the persecution from government or its affiliates.

Your 1st amendment does not protect you from the consequence of your "speech"

Yes, I believe you should not be arrested for spouting idiocy, however, don't be surprised when someone who doesn't want to listen to your BS hauls off and knocks you out, at his own risk of litigation.

I always back my 1st with my 2nd...RAH?

@cpldingo

I suppose this means I should start assaulting people I disagree with, because I'm a twat, right?

That said, you are correct somewhat, as it doesn't free you from the consequence of their speech, but lets be fair, what does the KKK care about that? Or Hamas sympathizers? Not a single fuck. So this is a pointless argument I think.

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Why I am against the criminalization of the KKK - and why you should be too.

On a somewhat related note, I am all for the criminalization of masks. There is no constitutional right to clothing choices. From protesters to luchadors, you have no rights to your own identity. There will be no identity fuckery.

And perhaps finally I can find out who that goddamn Spiderman is!

@j8cob

Given that these cunts exist and show up everywhere I am not wholly against the criminalization of masks at protest. If you are peacefully protesting something you don't need to hide your identity.

And besides that, we don't typically ban organizations because... you can't. In the United States (where the KKK are) we are constitutionally guaranteed freedom of assembly (in the first amendment). You must have legit evidence of criminal conspiracy to bust them up. That's why the federal government, when they seriously wanted to expend the effort on breaking up groups, had to use shady methods to get away with it, bending the law a bit.

@Vilageidiotx

Like said, theoretically the rights can be changed (and they have in Europe in some cases, as have the constitutions) but for America I don't see it happening, considering the US has not changed their constitution much as far as I am aware. So you're not wrong, but just because something is a right doesn't mean you have unequivocal access to it at all times.

As for monitoring known members, this shouldn't be hard but so far the US has failed tremendously as the KKK is very prominent in rural areas in terms of obtaining seats of power in the police department for example.