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I don't think you thought I was white, but I'll exchange shots with you all day. But I can do it without referring to racist insults, see if you can do the same.

@Dynamo Frokane

I never thought you were white. I also didn't think you were black. Like I said, I know you're lightskin. But uh, since I'm an antinerd, I just thought coon was short for raccoon. Why you on my dick for that. Honest mistake. I swear. But thanks for educating me, like the white man I am.

The 'Explain The Appeal Of......' Thread

@Dynamo Frokane I don't actually know what race you are. I just know you lightskin, but I guess you see yourself as black, so that's ok. And no, it wasn't an accident, I stand by what I said. I don't appreciate your meme jabs. I would appreciate them if you could take hits back, but every single past experience I've had with you has shown otherwise.

Unless you wanna start exchanging shots now, because I can do that too?

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@Buddha That's fair enough, that verse calling out to other rappers was an important thing to his career. And maybe that helped give him some hype, in a similar way Hopsin doing a similar thing garnered him a bunch of popularity. The reason I say metal is the most expansive because it has tons of genres and influences many more genres on top of that. And has more concept albums that just push the bounds of "a collection of songs" that a lot of albums are. But I will say, I probably listen to as much rap as I do metal now...

@SleepingSilence

I mean that really just depends. I'm not a big fan of Hopsin personally because he's just doing the same shtick over and over ('oh these new rappers suck, blabla, look how deep I am'). He's just a rapper that poses as something else, something different, to get that attention. Which is a good business move but after the first few tracks where he repeated that shtick over and over, it just got boring to me.

As much as I'd freaking love a rap equivalent of Diablo Swing Orchestra or Haggard or Eluveitie, I don't think it exists. :c

@SleepingSilence

Err, can't think of anything right away. I know there's probably 'rap groups' that do something like that but I wouldn't really know who that is specifically.

Both genres honestly have a lot of similarities at least in public perception. They do probably have the most ways to vocalize the lyrics at hand. Metal incorporating all genres for vocalists and rap having a bunch of different flow methods and such. Often mostly criticized by people unaware of the genre, media saying it has connections to bad actions when most the music is harmless. When people claim to listen to everything, put on "the talky noise" "or the screaming" and suddenly want you to turn it off. Also rap metal is always a glorious guilty pleasure.

Also MF Doom is fun. :3

@SleepingSilence

I think metal is just very limited by the instruments. There's not a lot of options available, like yeah you got these different riffs and shit and yeah there's a lot of things you can do with that, but in the end, you will find a lot of songs have a similar structure. With rap I feel that's less the case. Or less often perhaps.

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@Dynamo Frokane your thinly veiled trolling attempts really are either lazy at best and just stupid at worst. Given our past interactions, I'd have thought you would have the social awareness to avoid interacting with me much less crack """"jokes"""" at my expense, so when I returned the favor your response is 'lel dude lighten up.' Shows how cheery and bright you are yourself.

And evidently, I just heard the word in a rap song. So, I mean, can you really blame me, 'homie'? Cause that's the type of person I am.

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@Dynamo Frokane judging from the meme I guess I must've heard it in a rap song, right?

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@Buddha

My only problem with your post is that I cannot constructively argue anything against it because I do not fundamentally disagree. You’re pretty much spot on about every point you’ve made.

also I would've mentioned MF Doom if I actually listed artists I appreciate from the genre.

@Inkarnate

You would've had more to say if we didn't discuss it on Discord already

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Yes. His third album [To Pimp a Butterfly] is not only one of the most important hip hop records of the last twenty years, it is also so mindfully produced and composed. I'm almost tempted to revoke your hip hop card here; anybody worth their salt within the genre would tear apart this idea. What're you going to say next? Danny Brown is wack? Please. Listen to the man's words and rhymes, really listen, don't just hear it.

I don’t even worship at the altar of Kendrick Lamar but I can recognize he is a technically proficient MC, a prolific storyteller, and great rapper overall.

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@Inkarnate

Now hold on.

I Stan Kendrick just as hard as I Stan literally any other fucking rapper. K.dot is my fucking man. He's my motherfucking homie, okay. I live, breathe, eat and drink K.dot. That track DNA? Fire.

But I'm not gonna pretend TPAB was anything more than an essay over a beat. Because that's what it was. It was social commentary composed on rhyme and beat and flow, but it wasn't fiya. It wasn't none of the hot shit we're used to from Kendrick, and you know what, that's okay, because it's a piece of art in the same way that Donald Glover's Kauai album was a piece of art but it was nowhere close to being a banger. It's the same as Kanye diversifying himself because of artistry. It's the same as Tyler the Creator making fashion because of artistry. They do shit in their own way and so does Kendrick.

TPAB is important because it has social commentary mixed with a good ass set of beats and relatable subjects (for his target audience) and frankly it's worth it's weight in gold 200x over for that. But I'm not really sure I'd classify it as 'a classic' just because of that. It's a classic in what it brought to the table and how it reworked the entire scene. But to say TPAB itself is a musical masterpiece or 'it is also so mindfully produced and composed' is something I don't necessarily agree with (music is subjective and what sounds like good production and composition to you sounds less like that to me, compared to the previous/later albums which I know we both like).

Perhaps most importantly, what I personally think made him into an all time legend was this verse;



You remember this god damn verse when it dropped? The moment all the rappers he sent shots to responded saying they loved it and felt enervated to respond to him? How even motherfucking Eminem acknowledged it? And he did it with a devilish flow and some bomb ass rhymes. You trynna tell me this wasn't the moment he became a legend? I think it most definitely is the most important moment for him.

Also, @Fabricant451 @SleepingSilence, I am kind of eternally saddened by the fact that neither you, nor Inkarnate mentioned MF Doom.



Rap is such a wide genre. While metal is certainly a wide genre, it all begins sounding kinda samey after some time (I can say that, I used to be a metalhead). The same goes for pop. Especially for pop. But rap? Rap is endless. Timeless even. You can see that because even now we're hitting new flows, new beats, new speeds of rap, new genres to talk about, rap is internationalizing, we have rappers out in the UK that sound entirely different from rappers in the US that sound entirely different from rappers in China, Japan, Vietnam, I have Dutch rappers in my country that do things entirely different and make it work and that's so good to listen to because I can explore rap endlessly and find new things all the time.

So when you ask 'why do people like rap? It's only about guns drugs and women' then you are doing yourself a disservice by 1) generalizing it like that. I listen to rap about guns drugs and women. I listen to $uicideboy$ or Pouya, or Migos and Future, Young Thug or Chief Keef. I love that shit. But I get it's not for everyone, you know. But 2) you're also just blocking out an entire genre that is soooooo much wider than that.

Not even to talk about the cross-genre steps we've made with rap. It's amazing and I hope we can continue getting more and more of that shit.

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