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And on that note, I'll be dropping this RP. You guys write long arse post which contain only thoughts and opinions = fluff.
Later.


"I'm gonna partake in a discussion thread where people are literally asked for their thoughts in the opening post, then I'm gonna say you guys are writing too much in your arguments and leave."

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@The Executive92 I guess you're looking for something like the persistent world we currently have. If so, you should contact @Mahz or @Hank.
Like Ammo said, metagaming is a personal problem that any half decent roleplayer won't get caught up in. If it is a problem, the GM needs to step in, simple as that.


IMHO, this is correct, but I'd go further and say that not reading along with the RP is a personal problem and show of character. That way we hit both nails in one hit - you get rid of metagamers, and you make reading posts the personal responsibility of anyone involved in the RP.

That way, you also make it so that individual GM's can all have their own idea on whether people should read everything or not.. which we've been doing anyway.

I think that answers both questions - those related to metagaming (it's a personal problem) and that related to not reading problems (also a personal problem, and one that the GM can have their own approach to.. which is how it's been done as long as RPG has existed).
There's a reason why I don't like martial artists in realistic RPs. Because 80% of the time nobody knows shit about it, and writes them like a god damn Street Fighter character (but worse, because at least Capcom does some research).

And as an actual martial artist (that's been in actual fights), that offends me.


As a martial artist I just think it's funny. Especially when people try to mix styles that don't really match that well and then claim they're super synergized.
@DeadbeatWalking Posting here to make you aware I'm still here.

And also because I feel like if I don't my spot will be gone.
I'm fucking obsessed with these filters



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You should understand the framing of the whole comment rather than just nitpicking one sentence out of context from a comment. But idk.


In this case the framing doesn't change a thing about how I read and understand the comment. 'If you don't read all posts, you're not being a good roleplayer/not a roleplayer at all. You should go write solo because then you don't have to read anything.' Chose not to go into that discussion further because at that point we'd be arguing semantics and since I know a few of you, I'd rather not, and focus on the discussion at hand.

But what kind of people typically don’t read posts as expected? I think that’s what people like Nutts, Lady A, and myself are taking from that question. I’m thinking in the prospective point of the general case, not exceptions – not uncommon cases. It’s where I come to the conclusion that in a typical collaborative effort that it is not only without manners but unacceptable to not read posts. Perhaps I could’ve analyzed the question beyond how I looked at it, but understand that I was coming at it from a certain angle.


I think even in your angle there are glaring issues with requiring people to read any and all posts. Speaking from own experience and realistically, roleplayerguild GM's are not known for their people skills. So excuse me for being wary of 'requirements' in terms of having to read things. Although the sentiment behind it is understandable, I have my doubts that this requirement would be phrased in a way that didn't come off as arrogant and authoritative. Now, I don't have anything against authoritative people, I enjoy it, but fact of the matter is that most people do not.

So from that standpoint, I've got my doubts that the requirement being posed would be portrayed in a way where it wouldn't put off people - in a personality standpoint, not the requirement itself.

But that's not really an issue with the requirement itself and more with the people and is, as I stated, based on my own experiences and how I view people on RPG.

The manners I've already discussed. Yeah, it's rude, but just being rude isn't a reason to make it a priority 1 requirement. The RP can and will continue if you shirk on your duty to read all posts, especially those that don't influence you anyway. As stated before I think it's good to read all posts. But.. I fail to see the necessity.

Unacceptable? From what perspective? That's a vague way to put it. What makes it unacceptable. The idea that you can't write a good post without reading other posts? Or just the fact that is is expected and therefore unacceptable if you don't do it?
If you are not going to make the effort to read other's work, then seriously stop roleplaying and go elsewhere to write a book instead.


IDK man, I don't feel like it's such a far stretch.




DST-29-EAST: Mostly Cloudy 12C Precipitation: 2%, Humidity: 97% Wind: 5km/h
The Rowdy Wrangler, bar/club, known gang activity hub and drug-den




At the bar a lonesome man was seated, glass in hand, awkwardly spinning the drink inside of it around, whirling it like a drainage pipe whirling rain water. Before the drink could spill over the edge, he stopped swirling it, and slammed it down. The drink went straight down his throat, the burning after-sensation being nothing to an experienced drinker like this. The Rowdy Wrangler, this place was called. A shitty drug-den, but it was his shitty drug-den. A grimace crept up on the man's lips, as he thought about that. Mhm, yes, well, that's just what he told himself. My shitty drug den. The place was a notorious hangout for some of the more seedy characters in Europa, and although the club had a unique vibe, there were hundreds if not thousands of places like this one.

Coincidentally, the Rowdy Wrangler was also a known hangout for bounty hunters and mercenaries that were.. a bit more uncaring as to what job they did. Pavlov was one of them.

The door behind them opened up, and a group of five stepped in. Heads turned, assuming the people to just be a set of regulars. But the heads remained turned and, slightly confused about what they were looking at, Pavlov turned too. At the door stood four armored and armed men, bearing the official Eurocorp EDF emblems on their sleeves. The fifth and final member was one dressed in corporate garb, not military. He held out a holographical interface, this time not with the EDF emblem but with that of the Eurocorp headquarters, proving their official warranting of the following message.

“Eurocorp is hiring,” the man stated loudly, his voice emboldened by the microphone augmentation in his cheek. It overpowered even the music and, almost directly when he started speaking, the music cut out, causing the DJ to raise his hands in anger. It seemed the EDF was jamming the signal of the music temporarily. “And you're joining. We're offering a premium bounty of 500 credits for every 17DEM head you take, and 250 credits for every 17DEM civilian sympathizer. Eurocorp requested deathsquads, you're supplying. Come see me at the table over there if you're interested.” The soldiers raised their guns into a standby position as they looked around the place, before following the corporate crier to a nearby table, setting it up and clearing out the trash that was sitting on it by simply shoving it aside, onto the floor. Not like anyone was gonna complain - the place was filthy as it was, but besides that, Eurocorp didn't give a shit about places like these.

Immediately, the veteran mercenary teamleaders moved to take the job. They had entire teams, meaning that for every 3 men you could supply under one name, you got an extra raise on the premium. Some groups, as big as ten, would make big money on these 17DEM punks. Pavlov was not one of them - but 500 credits per head was a good bounty for 17DEM guys. The 250 credits for sympathizers was how you earned the rest of your monthly rent - sympathizers would mean anyone that was in the area that didn't have a gun. So.. basically, civilians. But they'd never say it like that.

Pavlov got up from his seat and headed to the table as well, to sign up for the death squads. He simply stood in line until it was his turn, then answered the questions that were barked at him. “Name?”

“Pavlov Akilov.”

“Pavlov.. Akilov.. Russian name. You Korporat affiliated?”

“Ex-Korporat operator.”

“That's not what I asked. Are you Korporat affiliated? A spy, saboteur, etcetera?”

“.. no.”

The recruiter looked up momentarily and raised an eyebrow. “Yeah, I figured. That question is just standard procedure. Legal liabilities and stuff. Ex-operator you said, so I'll just write that down as experience. You got your own weapons, ammunition and armor?”

“I've got this,” Pavlov said as he padded onto the holster that hold his Katie, the sub-machine pistol. “I've got enough ammunition for a few trips. I've also got T-2 armor.”

“Cyclops, biclops, or standard visor?”

“Cyclops.”

“Alright. I've filled it in, this is your risk assessment and the additional sign-up fee you're being granted. You're considered a high-risk hire because you only have a pistol, since the Katie is legally classified as a pistol no matter how much it acts like a chainsaw. Your armor is good, but it doesn't cover the chest well enough to account for Eurocorp standards. According to these calculations, you're going to get a 250 credit signup bonus.”

“Fine,” Pavlov answered, and he was about to turn away and get ready. The man spoke up again, though, forcing him to stop and listen.

“I'm patching your augmentation into our comms system. You'll be listen-only-no-speak for the first bit, until you're automatically placed into a squad. Listen carefully for where you're supposed to go.”

With that done, Pavlov was finally allowed to leave, exiting the shady bar and heading for his apartment where his shit was stored. The place was messy, as usual, which Pavlov was kinda used to at this point. The armor stood on a rack in the corner, so he promptly put that on while listening to the mercenary broadcasts. “First fly-out is at 12.05, any latecomers will be penalized 500 credits from their accounts...” The suit fit him perfectly, and he briefly tested the visor, seeing if the HUD was tracking his eyes. The red circle on his visor tracked his eye movements precisely, so it was all a-okay. He pulled his gloves on tighter, and reached into a satchel next to the armor stand, grabbing a set of ten magazines for the Katie. Good thing it was lightweight, so he could carry plenty of mags for it. He put them all into their respective place, before heading out again. Strangely enough, it never seemed to be the case that people stood out when wearing armor in public. It was.. simply fact of life.




“You, you, you! Move to the other VTOL!” A man with an EDF patch on his shirt guided people into the right vehicles, giant vertical-take-off-and-landing things that could take you just about everywhere. They flew over Europa often, but Pavlov never had the experience of sitting in one of the Eurocorp models himself. Until now, he'd only flown in Korporat ones, which were arguably a lot less.. comfortable.

He loaded into one of the VTOL's, with at least seven other guys, all mercs, before they were automatically assigned to their team. The comms beeped momentarily, alerting the users to the channel switch. “Beep, beep. Channel 4 Zulu-Romeo-Romeo-Alpha. Channel privileges now set to: read, write, listen, speak. Enjoy your flight, and Eurocorp thanks you for your services.” The mercenaries all looked at each other, giving a firm nod before the heavy blast of the VTOL's engines roared out and sent them into the air off of the platform. Pavlov saw the ground slowly disappear under him, before it started speeding up and they were moving towards the 7th district.
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What I was asking (partially playing devil’s advocate for the sake of discussion) was doesn’t it set a bad precedent to go into a collaborative project with the perspective of “not giving a fuck about” your peers characters and as a byproduct their posts and prose? This isn’t to suggest you are going to tell them such a thing, but rather the speculation of negatively framing your peers and having an apathetic outlook being largely unproductive and against the whole point your collaborating in the first place.


Yeah but see, I'm not a roleplayer that believes everyone should be treated equally in the roleplay. There are stronger roleplayers and there are weaker roleplayers. That is fine, but there are also those that come in from free roleplay without the willingness to learn or adapt, who seem to lack any and all awareness about what they're doing, and at that point, and that is a point that is relatively hard to reach but somehow still gets reached everytime I am in an RP, at that point I decide not to care.

I am roleplaying not to write a great story of untold epic proportions, if I were doing that I'd definitely not be in any group RP's and definitely wouldn't be finding my partners on a website where, by all intents and purposes, people are just average writers at best with a few outliers to the better side of that spectrum and a lot of outliers to the worse side of that spectrum.

Now you can be idealistic and propose that I simply bear with these people and give their objectively worse characters as much attention as other people who put much more time and energy into not only their posts but just the creation of their character as well, just to be equal and fair.

But I just don't feel like doing that.

against the whole point your collaborating in the first place.


Commenting on that further, as I explicitly stated two times, if there is a large group and no interaction between my character and theirs, then this argument is nihil, nul, zero, absolutely worthless, because I am not collaborating with their character in the first place. If I were to do so in the future, either by choice of force of the plot, yes, naturally I'd read their posts. Begrudgingly perhaps, but I'd still do so, because I want my posts to make sense and to incorporate elements of the other posts. Collaborative writing. But if my character isn't collaborating with them, them I don't really feel there is any need (logistically) to read their posts.

Perhaps out of respect. But as mentioned before, if their character just isn't qualitatively as good as the rest and is far, far below the standard of the roleplay.. eh. No. If they are willing and trying to improve, yeah, sure. But that's an if. And that's an if that personally I've stopped seeing on RPG after rebooting RPG.

Yeah, and I don’t completely disagree with you. We’ve been in those Naruto sandboxes and I understand it can be a chore to read through everything. Now this may be just me, but even when I’m not a GM (whom, in my honest opinion, has an obligation and responsibility to read those posts) I still read every post in an IC even if it may not make sense per your purview to read them. I view it as an expected respect for those I am writing with whether I am in their ‘group’ or not within the framing of an IC. I feel it’s important to do that. I do see where you are coming from on this, though. Am I obligated to read those posts? Beyond GM expectations, I’m probably not required to, no.


See, but that's the big question of this thread. The question isn't 'are you personally compelled to read every post either out of obligation or out of respect'. Rather the question was
Is it 100% needed for a RPer to read posts that don't concern your character, nor is a GM post or something that affects the story ?


The answer to that question is, rudimentarily, no. There is no 100% need to read posts that don't concern your character, or posts that don't affect the story. You can still write a good post without doing so, given the writers skill level is good enough.

Reading a post out of respect =/= 100% requirement to read any and all posts.

Is it still smart to do so? Naturally. But a 100% requirement I'd never call it.

It also raises the question, what if I read the post after a while when I have time to read their posts? The post wasn't directly important to my character and I wanted, no, needed to get a post out today. If I go back the next day or, say, in a week, does that still count? The post following that was already written. I've already missed details potentially. But I still read the post?

What about people who read posts but who are so caught up in their own world that they assume 99% of the post in their own post and their post makes no sense anymore? They read the post. They just didn't read and understand. I suppose, following the logic of this thread and the people like @NuttsnBolts we should just tell these people to fuck off because they read the post but didn't understand it correctly.

Questions, questions.
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