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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

`Most people are born with five fingers on either hand, therefore, that is normal, because normal refers to the norm, ergo, the average of the entire sum.`

`Lol no it's not, six fingers is totally normal except there's bias against those people hehehe xd`

`Okay... having two uteruses is not normal for humans however... so that would also not be normal.`

`HEH BUT ANIMALS DO AND WE'RE BASICALLY ANIMALS TOUCHÉ INTELLECTUALLY SPAR ME HARDER DADDY`

Basically what I just read. What the fuck.

Fenrir, The Watcher of the Marsh

We should build a wall.

@FenrirUntamed Jokes aside, welcome, I hope you will feel at home here.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

What the hell, it's been three months. That's probably a sufficient waiting period.

The writing contest subforum is dead.

@Terminal

don't say this too loud or people will get upset. I think you know why it died.

In regards to dropping roleplays and user attractiveness

>"I would write a reply to all of that but..."
>494 words
:P

@pugbutter

I meant to write a reply to each of your points individually, decided not to, and then did it anyway halfway through my post. It's what happens when you're godlike like me. Sue me.

IDK where to even begin with that tbh. Besides all your points being disjointed and irrelevant to each other, some are outright fallacious, like linking a direct correlation/causality between post count and thread loyalty. As a matter of fact, one of the four players who I included in that screenshot (the one who hasn't been seen in three months) was my most loyal by far, and I'm pretty sure from her status feeds that she only left because her kid is in the hospital and she has more important shit to worry about.

@pugbutter

I mean, homie, you're the one that brought up post count where as I hadn't mentioned it before. You're using it as a measurement to prove that you can't smell someones activity rate beforehand, which is true, but if you consistently find people that end up flaking on you then I have to ask why that is the case if I never really had a problem with that at all. It either has something to do with the fact that the flaky roleplayers seem to flock to you, shitty partner choice, or your own personality. Maybe it's the first, maybe it's one of the latter two? I can't tell you which one it is, but then you also don't seem like the type of person I was talking about to begin with. Unless you self-associated with someone who consistently and constantly bitches about how all their 99 partners dropped out on them AND their mom?

As for the causality between posts and loyalty, there is none. I dropped on people and I have thousands of posts. But you brought it up so I addressed it - perhaps my intent in the argument was unclear. If you find that people with a certain traits (i.e. low post counts) drop on you a lot then it's up to you to not RP with those people again. In my eyes it really is that simple. Any other criteria are fair game to me too, since ultimately it's you who decides who you RP with. Now, no, you can't smell thread loyalty, but there's some pretty fucking good indicators that have helped me personally.

I guess the biggest flaw with your reasoning is that you think people act like dipshits from the get-go, and we're choosing to enter RP with them anyway. Whereas out here in the real world, with the exception of a few narcissist spergs (who I definitely avoided, so again I don't see your point), all my partners have presented themselves with more professionalism than they really possess. It's basically a hobbyist's version of lying on a résumé, so I ask again: why are you keeping all your mind-reading powers to yourself instead of sharing with the rest of us?

@pugbutter

In general in my experience people do act like dipshits from the get go, so maybe that's my own experiences providing me with unique mind reading power, but I like to think I've got a pretty good idea of when roleplays just aren't going to work out and it usually comes down to my personality just being an extreme mismatch with theirs (or, in less nice terms, them being absolute fucking tossers).

So, I'll say it again - I wasn't giving you a fix. There are no mind reading powers involved. It's just a judgement call you need to make and from how it sounds (apparently people ghost you a lot?) you make the bad calls? Or maybe you don't make calls and say OK to everyone who offers to RP with you? Honestly I don't know. But like I said, you don't seem like someone that complains constantly about everyone ditching them, so perhaps you misunderstood that I'm talking about a specific set of spergs who constantly whine about being ditched, and not the person that goes oh, one of my partners ghosted me once.

Unless you whine a lot. Then I don't know. Grow a pair, I guess?

@ArenaSnow seems to get it right in my eyes.

Afterwards, what are you going to do? Learn and try to improve your mechanics, even if it's the tiniest of changes to how you approach people, or go on about being ditched so often> The latter is what I read to be the source of Odin's post - those who simply go on about how they're constantly dropped yet don't fix their circumstances, or just try again. Maybe even a new hobby where you're writing your own book, who knows.

Eh, yes, more or less. Though I'd take it a step further. It's not just circumstances, sometimes people just don't understand and cannot comprehend why people don't like to RP with them - either they're absolutely shit at roleplaying (for instance their post just rehashes the partners' posts without adding anything new, just regurgitating the words in their own words) or they have really really nasty OOC habits and personalities ("ARE YOU GONNA POST TODAY? I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR AN HOUR. WOW. CAN YOU POST TODAY? LET ME TELL YOU ALL ABOUT MY PERSONAL LIFE. I AM SO MISERABLE AND I HAVE NO FRIENDS AND MY COLLEAGUES BULLY ME. WOW. HEY DO YOU WANNA TALK? LOL!!!") or we just don't click (which is far more innocent but becomes a problem when they get really offended that I drop them because of it).

So, what I'm really saying is, if people drop you a lot, the first step should be not to cry wolf and whine on the internet about how everyone else is a bad boy, but maybe you should look at yourself and wonder what the fuck is wrong with you that causes people not to want to write with you.

If you genuinely can't find a reason then yeah, by all means, whine about it.

Mahz's Dev Journal

@The Nexerus although that is a fair comment, I like to think it still stands a step above policing what RP's go where, lol.

In regards to dropping roleplays and user attractiveness

@pugbutter I would write a reply to all of that but the solution there is simple; remember what type of people dropped you and stop RPing with those people. I wasn't suggesting a fix to your problems - I was saying what I think the problem is. You tend to RP with people who are weak roleplayers or have shitty personalities. I mean, we've spoken about this before, and the fact that you just pulled random accounts out of your ass to show me evidence just further proves to me that either you have really shitty taste, or perhaps, maybe you are part of the problem, as in, you can be a bit of a twat at times.

And I know we've spoken before, and I also know you're not the most social of all personalities on this website. Not that there is anything wrong with that, because neither am I, but let us be fair here and say that a majority of people on this website most likely do not match you in personality too well.

If a low post count is a sign of a weak roleplayer or someone that is going to ditch you, then I'd possibly avoid RPing with them and/or ask them for a sample post. People who can't supply that at the very least probably aren't gonna be suitable for you anyway.

Likewise, if they have an extensive roleplaying career that you can take a look at, the duty falls on you to analyze this if you wish. Nobody is forcing you to have a 100% certainty rate of success before you engage in a roleplay, so if you want to do that, that's on you. If the person ends up ditching you, perhaps you should've analyzed better. I don't know. I've never run into problems with this. Perhaps because I prefer not to get upset over when I get ditched, or perhaps because I'm good at selecting my partners.

As for 'psychoanalysis,' that'd be rather hard. You're fooling yourself if you think you can't tell anything about how people act from a text post, though. If someone is a raging cunt at me right from the get go then I'm not gonna go

welp psychoanalysis is impossible so i better give em the benefit of doubt

I'm gonna stop RPing with them right then because that's not worth my time.

And even then, I still think there's a difference between constantly 24/7 bitching about it in a thread/status bar as opposed to just accepting it and moving on and/or being angry on your own. Why you'd get so upset over something so small is a wonder to me but I suppose it's possible. My one question is why do people feel a need to throw it out there all the time? Maybe you don't see it in the same way as I do, but if someone is constantly going

whe whe my hundredth partner just dropped on me JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHERS

I'm gonna probably assume that they're not really pleasant to RP with and ignore them even harder.

Mahz's Dev Journal

Policing it seems like a bad move both because it gives people the idea that they need to meet certain criteria in their hobby. People write for fun, not to strike their ego (well, I do, but that is besides the point) so I doubt many people are interested in getting a list of..

your post needs to be this and this, and if it is not, we will move it to a 'lower' tier of writing.

That aside it's also just a shit tonne of work. We don't have 20.000 RP's a day, but there are a lot of new RP's springing up at all times. And to be fair, I'd also not really be looking forward to moderating the RP's and their criteria just because that'd mean I'd have to sift through horrid roleplays that tend to pop up in certain sections.

The only RP section I'd moderate, even now, is 1x1, purely because there's been some stuff posted there that really skirts the lines or sometimes blatantly breaks the rules.

But besides logistical reasons for changing the descriptions, I think it'd also be nice to refresh the RPG frontpage from time to time. Reworking some of the wording, changing the looks of certain buttons, etcetera. Seems like a simple way to breathe life into the site, even if it might not need it. But we didn't need a PM deletion system, we just really wanted it.

In regards to dropping roleplays and user attractiveness

@71452K ... bruh I'm just telling you the underlines are making it hard to read...

In regards to dropping roleplays and user attractiveness

@pugbutter but then the point I was making arrives: do you bitch about it in the bitch thread or the status bar for days on end, and is the only thing that ever seems to come out of your mouth 'whe whe nobody wants rp with me'?

Perhaps the problem is with you - in that you tend to accept requests from fickle roleplayers?

@71452K the underlines aren't really helping you, it makes your post a bitch to read. But I got the gist of it. I don't think you are right - my best RP is currently ongoing for close to a year (like 9 months) and thrives purely on the promise that we will each get a post out at some point in the future whether that be in 2 weeks or 2 months. We have had intervals of a month, even 2 at some point, because of life and IRL occupations.

Doesn't mean either of us are going to drop it because we are both invested in it and want to see where the story takes us. It helps that we have a clear cut idea of where we want to move the story - but the pacing is important. And not necessarily to up the pacing, but to take your time.

Mahz's Dev Journal

@The Nexerus yeah, the problem I have with that is that it's all true, but it relies on common sense on the guild. The other solution is to police what RP's get posted where, which also isn't going to happen (getting over the fact that it's boring and we shouldn't do it, good luck convincing the mods to add that to their pile of work that they already have trouble dealing with).

In a perfect world everything you said would work. But this is RPG. I want to know how you'd implement what you suggest successfully (ergo, no changes to the existing model) and still achieve a change through people being less whiny.