Divinity

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

I would implore you scout the internet for other places that use the 'Eden Era' T1 set. 9/10 a prep is a gauge of power, not specifically time. I would not count a mention, and then just simply having them exist near you count as a prep. I'll just leave it to innue to decide on her own.

As of the final edit of about eight messages ago I said you can use your space-time rune, because of Corban's transformation. I knew you'd have even more complaints so I gave you access to your final runes. That seems to be the only way to appease you so I offered it.

And why in the hell would you need to control time and space to kill a guy who can just cast fast? If my defense is what made you say that then dear god have we really got different views on power tiers and t1 etiquette.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

A prep is not inherently connected to cast time. Both of my attacks were unprepped so you're arguing against something that was never presented to begin with. What i said was, if simply mentioning something a single time and then leaving it active counted as a prep, my disjunction has been 'prepping' the whole fight. Then Suddenly you throw a hissy fit when I suggest I get the same treatment. Do not assume I'm desperate because you bring a prep out of NOWHERE, which is suddenly beyond convenient for you, while following none of the rules governing preps whatsoever. Simply MENTIONING something a single time does not constitute a prep. Not under Eden era codes of conduct. Dont even try that. If it's dormant, genius, then how in the hell is it prepped?

Respect? I've shown nothing but respect, but its time I correct this travesty. Lets not even get into how I totally ignored the blatant overextention of your characters earth abilities. He had to cheat on all his exams to even pass yet can isolate corbans specific kinetic disturbances whilst a kinetic sink is being activated and all the things going on would have made the vibrations indeterminable from the other? I overlooked many, many glaring oversights in your post in the name of fun and sportsmanship, and even allowed my barrier to be damaged in a show of good faith. I even gave you access to all your runes. That's right, the space-time ones, too. I gave you everything asked for both in pm's and the public eye.

A prep is not 'logical time casted'. A prep is a gauge of power placed into an action.

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@MelonHeadI particularly agree with Preps being allowed to be 'strong hints', rather than a complete mapping of its effects and intentions.

Balancing is important, but wouldn't a faster moving object also have more energy(assuming it also had decent mass) and therefore more power? Speed sacrifices maneuverability(particularly for characters, since laws of motion apply) if anything. I could agree that something becoming harder therefore becomes less flexible and such, though.

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@MelonHeadI am of a generation that closely monitored preps. Preps, in my experience, generally take at least a turn, or a whole phase to mature, and require some kind of extra mentions to let it be known a prep is cooking.

Edit: Depending on the community, there were also limits on the number of things that could be prepped at once. I'm pretty sure that since Eden era is phase-centric, you get a single prep a turn.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

That is not at all how prepping works on any community I've been in. Most preps require at least a turn to mature, and some kind of mention. Literally what you are saying is that mentioning anything at any time can count as a prep. If that is really how were doing it then it stands to reason that my disjunction is far more prepped than your attack, and could therefore stop it far more than what is present in my post, because Corban is recasting the exact same spell component.

That's where the term 'preturnatural' comes in. If your book can at any time attain 'adamantine' rigidity and stop a prepped railgun attack, I see no reason my aerogel can't be enhanced. Im not saying the beam itself couldn't destroy the aerogel. Im saying that after losing a great deal of its energy I doubt it would lack the required energy to do much. Even if it did, it would not at all change the outcome because it would still diffuse more upon contact with the diamond barrier. Corban would not be wounded.

Again, half a second is enough time for these two primary vocations to be utilized. With that, I close my arguments and await Innue's judgment if we will not continue.

Edit: @InnueI'd say anywhere from 1/2-3/4 of a second.

Edit: I thought that fights that had no preset rules agreed upon would default to Eden Era rules, since that is what I assumed we were abiding by. Would that not make Dazsos' preps null and void since no continuous mention was given, nor any prep phases taken for it?

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

Firstly, I wouldn't say any of that constitutes preps to your ray. You merely mentioned the mask, never stated any power was growing or anything that could convince me it was powering up at all. The only thing it seemed to be 'prepping' was the water pouring from its mouth. If 'prepping' was just having something active, do you know how powerful my disjunction should be when it was active the whole fight?

I also said nothing Corban did was enchantment. All transmutation and free manipulation of materials. Not sure if you used that word accidentally but yeah, when trying to have an official ruling wording is important. Also, it was created having those preturnatural properties. Not made, then extended. The disjunction, as I argued before, would sublimate the kinetic energy, and most other forms of energy present within which would both decrease the mass(gravity) it has, which would protect the aerogel coating. Even of the aerogel was stilldestroyed, it would take a good bit of the bite out of the attack, and it would still have to penetrate magically insulated crystal(which I allowed it to do as a show of sportsmanship). All those defenses, and it still junked up Corban's barrier pretty well.

I also have several other reasons Corban's reaction time(beyond having superhuman abilities that intuitively would include that) would be fine given the factors surrounding it in the spoiler on my post and within the post itself.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

The rune was locked in the beginning, yet you still said certain runes would have it. I figured that would include it in the beginning, but it didn't for whatever reason. That's what prompted me to ask in the first place. So when you said you were disabling it despite the fact you were using it on others, I figured it was a permanent decision. Corban was also aware of its maximum power, not just what he dealt with. He saw you cast it, and therefore the power that came with it. Regardless, I still dont think it would be damning based on the final edit in my previous message.

I think you're paying way too close attention to the element and not the processes involved. Transmutation is a skill independant of elements. Transmutation is altering the form or nature of something. The more worldly knowledge one possesses the better the transmuter. It even states that Corban studies quite extensively on the sheet. As for the processes to create it; precision is Corban's middle name. Through the functioning class of his transmutation ability, all of those processes are quite simple. It only sounds complicated, yet can be carried out quickly when not limited to a sterile lab. Graphene can also be created in many ways besides just zinc. It is molecularly identical to diamond. Its atoms are just slightly rearranged. Corban's robes are made of graphene, also.

The sublimate spell was used twice, and was continually active throughout the fight until my previous post where it was discarded. I still think its safe to say the quick-cast would work fine. Even without it, the spell falls into his primary vocation of abjuration and guarding. Creating barriers and dispels is literally second nature to him.

As for the 'complexity', they aren't complex to corban, whom is using two of his most predominant skills where his study is centralized. Especially considering one of them is something he's been in close proximity to for majority of the fight. Both of these are quite second nature for him.

So yes, I'll leave it up to Innue here.

Edit: I forgot to say this after I posted, but upon Crystal's dialogue, I grant you access to all of your runes, if it hadn't already been decided somewhere that they already were, and whatever appropriate casting speed you wish. Upon deciding it would be high tier, I figured why not go all out?

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

It doesn't need to be mentioned. That was the purpose in the tactic. The first attack was to bait a deflection if it did not strike, and that's precisely what happened.

From the way it was written, there was no real distinction between actions, and it seemed like you were simply double-referencing, which led me to believe that there were two separate timestamps. Firstly aerogel is hyper-present due to it being primarily air-based, and air is everywhere. He did not enchant it, he altered its physical properties using magic, which is closer to transmutation than enchanting. He also is not 'enchanting' Ishtalle. He's simply re-casting a previous spell with her as its target and Corban is capable of casting quite quickly even when he hasn't already used a spell, so we can assume he's casting at least double that speed when it comes to the ability that states he can cast them again.

And why should I not be allowed to logically amp up a material if its under my control and I understand its ins and outs? What does it being 'synthetic' have anything to do with it? Should earth not be allowed to become harder? Water can't become hotter? And I don't believe you should be the one to gauge what my aerogel can take when it was summoned specifically to deal with the spell, a spell corban already knows and has already seen. Again, I think my aerogel defense is fine.

I wasn't aware of the gravity because I wasn't told. I specifically asked about the gravity portion of the spell earlier, and you said you weren't using it, even though you had also said you were still using other runes that would involve gravity. I took this to mean you were locking that ability regardless for whatever reason. So my not dealing with it in my post is because of that.

Edit: If you are still not satisfied, then we can consult Innue. I've lain my defenses and you your arguments.

Edit 2: I also have a defence for the gravity argument. The disjunction was splitting apart the beam, which also means getting rid of a large chunk of its energy, which includes mass(gravity). So I actually think it splitting the beam around corban is entirely possible.

Note: The aerogel and disjunction are being casted at once, not separately.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

Even under 'high tier' stipulations, I still believe some laws of physics and logic still need to apply. This is still T1, after all. I dont believe high tier is the equivalent of 'do whatever, however, and suffer no consequences'.

Corban fired the sheathe specifically to prepare for a riposte in the event it didn't hit, so he was ready when you fired it off, and could thus react accordingly for the most part. There were also two different units of time used to describe your casting. First is used 'split seconds', which implied more time. Then you stated 'not even a whole second' which implies less. I just decided to go somewhere in between. I also gave several other reasons that Corban would be prepared for the spell.

The diamond barrier wasn't his skin, by the way. It was summoned around him in a 'shell' or oblong shape. I also didn't mean they were literal 'sparks'. They are the stray blasts of energy that managed to escape the aerogel and disjunction.

The aerogel was stated to have been extended beyond its worldly limitations, and graphene-aerogels are slightly denser than base aerogels. So is it an aerogel? Yes. However, it has better performance than any aerogels known today. I also was not aware that the rune of nihil was using gravity as of this point, since last time it came up it wasn't. I know you unlocked the gravity rune, but I was, again, unaware that gravity became a part of the equation(since you had some gravity based runes still in use even before we escalated to high tier). But regardless, id still say Corban gets out of the attack between all the aforementioned facts.

Edit: Also taking Corban's crystal defense into account, damage would be lessened by the crystals ability to resist magic and magic-like attacks/defenses, which would lessen the blow a bit more as well.

Edit: about the rotational energy, yes, the world is spinning and therefore everyone/thing moving, but that energy is not 'connected' in any way other than causality(earth spinning causes movement). To freeze kinetic movement in a small, finite area is nothing like stopping the whole planet from spinning. Even in high tier I never utilize world-busting things like that.

Divinity Vs Dazsos!

Well corban was going to stab you in the back, so he was behind you. I stated in the last post that corban left the earth when he came to stabby stab. The aerogel is spread a foot around the blade. A foot is a decent amount of body coverage, and can cover majority of, if not all of the chest, which is where the attack is angled for, and the aerogel was specifically used as an insulator to account for the stray beam sparks. Plus the added protection of the disjunction, and the diamond field would leave corban himself believably unharmed. I also figured there would be some sparks flying like you suggested, too. That's why his barrier had several holes punched through it despite the aforementioned defenses.

Edit: I actually misquoted myself. The aerogel covered a whole two feet. Which is more than enough.