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No it didn't. It also barely broke even and was an incredibly polarizing movie (for some reason, considering it was trash). The only award of any actual note or merit it was even considered for was the Golden Raspberries.

@Fabricant451

I meant nominations. And barely breaking even is still breaking even. You can make disturbing movies in the west with A-listers attatched which was what you were arguing before the goalpost shift.

Saya no Uta isn't trying to make some broader point like Under the Skin does - where the sexual aspect is purposely downplayed - it's literally a game about a childish Shoggoth cannibal and the irredeemable fuck that enables her.

@Fabricant451

The Guro-verse is an allegory for insanity, isolation and depression. He sees the world in the way that no one else does after an accident he didn't ask for. Maybe you forget but he was living like this for 3 months before meeting Saya. Everyone keeps portraying fumonori like some sociopathic dick. He was a normal person until he had to endure an existance where everything looks gruesome, tastes gruesome, sounds terrifying and smells and feels like a murder scene. I challenge anyone to go 3 fucking days living like that without losing empathy for the world let alone 3 goddamn months.

There are plenty of points to made about the very interesting dyanmic he has with Saya. He is sacaraficing his real humanity in so he can experience a level of false humanity because he is at a suicidal point of despair. She is the only thing that appears anything like the normality he had before the accident, and it makes perfect sense he will do anything to hang on to that.

Saya is also fascinating. She is a being with feelings and a self image just like any human. She just happens to eat living flesh. Not too different than a well meaning mountain lion as a pet. Her only contact with people is the psycho 'father' that brought her into this world and the desperately depressed fuminori. Her moral compass wasn't exactly in the most healthy place to begin with. She makes some attempt to refrain from eating human at first and just feeds on animals. She is even initially reluctant to let Fumi eat the first person she kills before he tells her it makes him happy. They enable each other but are both mostly ignorant at this point of the morals of their actions.

They only both cross the line into becoming genocidal fuckers when Saya is assualted by the neighbour because of her selfish idea to find another person to call her pretty. Reckless yes, but with understandable motivations.

After this point the game is pretty clear in its shift in protaganists. Its then a race to stop the evil plot by fuminori and saya by Koji and the Doctor and the narrative plays them with appropriate level of sympathy.

He is rewarded by his deeds and for the entire climax of the story - and thus a film adaptation - it would have to literally sell the relationship in a way that a film would likely not accomplish nearly as well as it should. And this is without going into the logistics of making the meat world play well on screen.

@Fabricant451

He gets maybe 4 half decent meals and a threesome before the love of his life dissipates into the ether. It's bittersweet at best and its only one of the endings.

Gen doesn't frame any of them as the 'true' ending they are just as viable as each other. If we are going by length then the 'Koji Wins' would be the true ending which in turn is a 'he who fights monsters' theme to wrap the story up.

There is also the mental asylum ending, which probably could work really well for a film adaptation.

There is no scenario in which a poorly written character like whatshername who exists in the plot solely to become fuckslave is done well - especially not in the current climate around Hollywood. Even if you take away the fuckslave part and make her mindless maid on a collar or whatever, that's not a character or role that will go over well and is better stripped from the script altogether

@Fabricant451

I mean maybe, but you could even take the fucking out and just have her as a 'captive' who is just there to be a call back to Fumi's previous life and to demonstrate Saya's growing power of genetic manipulation. If anyone plays these games thinking the sex is important to the story they are playing it wrong.

I barely consider the friends to be characters. They're basically the first victims in a slasher movie. The supporting cast as a whole was pretty under-developed since that's not what people came for. Hollywood is far, far, far from perfect or ideal when it comes to great roles for actresses, but any adaptation of this work would need massive re-writes or else they just cast unknowns on the cheap but then you lose out on people who see movies based on name recognition.

@Fabricant451

I mean yeah....its a horror story so there are going to be victims. This is no different then any other half decent horror flick where 80% of the main cast get killed off just to show the brutality of the killer and only a couple or one of the survivors becomes the hero. I'm not saying that this aspect has to be a ground breaking deconstruction of the genre. The story is still about a flesh eating monster.

Koji isnt a great character but he makes sense as the former friend who is seeing someone he's known all his life change. The Doctor IS an interesting character, living a double life as a even mannered psychiatrist when shes really a half crazed obsessed conspiracy theorist with a violent mission.

Yeah and then people are laughing in the theater as characters talk about 'sexual energy' as if they're watching a shitty hentai.

Oh wait.

@Fabricant451

Ah yes, something as fantastical as sexual energy would suspend the disbelief of the relatable and realistic act of putting your dick into a Cthulhu.

It's not as simple as you're trying to make it seem. It would require major rewrites for market appeal but the appeal is already super low. It would work better as an independent film where they can get away with more but then they'd have to have good fucking luck at getting it screened in major theaters. Just because something works in one medium doesn't mean it'll make the transition to another smoothly.

@Fabricant451

You didnt just move the goal post you created an entirely different one and moving them around at the same time.

I never said the movie was going to spawn the next marvel universe franchise, I said it could be made. It would have a niche audience but the crossover from Visual Novel Weebs, Lovecraft fanatics, and Neckbeards who like psychogical horror with fucking might be enough to justify a limited release.

I also don't remember saying that it should get a major release I said the film could be made.

I also never said that some aspects wouldn't have to be re-written I'm saying the film could retain enough of the important themes without them. They managed to adapt The Road without keeping the fetus barbecue scene in the novel. They also managed to adapt IT twice without the sewer orgy. Saya adaptation is really straightforward, if I had any idea about screenwriting I could do it myself.

In other news, Aquaman was a garbage movie.

@Fabricant451

I also heard that water is wet.

Cinema General

no one is going to buy into cosmic turtle bullshit that King loves so much.

@Fabricant451

Attach Joss Whedon or JJ Abrahams to the project and they will call it a masterpiece

Good luck selling audiences on a movie where the central character fucks a Shoggoth loli girl who feeds on semen in order to remake the world in her image while also having the titular character turn the nothing female supporting characters into fodder and a mindless fuck slave. Because somewhere between 'central character fucks a Lovecraft' and 'feeds on semen' is where the studio starts demanding a rewrite until you get Jennifer Lawrence's boring ass shitting up the Song of Sara.

@Fabricant451

I know you are only being about 80% serious with this but I'll bite any way.

Like I said, the Loli shit has no bearing on the central theme of the story whatsoever. You could age Saya up to say 19 and get the'creepy innocent' effect that was achieved in Ex-Machina.

You seem to forget there were 3 supporting female characters in Saya No Uta. The Doctor was essentially the anti-hero adversary. Hollywood continues to get away with far far far worse in regards to female representation so I can't see this being a problem.

Women being eaten by monsters is about as old as cinema itself so I don't even know why you're pretending that is an issue.

Being turned into a fuckslave would be controversial but could be fairly tame if the shift it more to a 'timid servant' and play up the fact that she had a crush/ was already attracted to the main character so the sex isn't non-con just being turned into a Cthulhu is the main source of anguish. Again, not huge take away from the story. She is still a 'former friend turned into a monster' which is what the plot is asking for.

'Feeds on Semen' is a unnecessary eroge detail to amp up the blowjob scenes. The analogy is clear, she is a black widow spider/brood mother/plague. They could easily change it to 'his sexual energy' or 'his life force' and nothing is really going to be lost in adaptation in terms of plot.

This isn't anywhere near the first movie where sexual themes are explored with a non-human entity. It was pulled off with Under The Skin, Teeth, Splice, and it's predecessor 'Species' and pretty much any 'weird science' type movie with a higher than 12 rating. These movies get made.

It's funny you mention Jennifer Lawrence because while I think she is an overrated peice of breathing furniture. She actually starred in Mother! Which is probably more disturbing than Saya for most people and it still got a bunch of awards and made it's budget back.

Once you remove the unnecessary shit Saya isn't as hard to adapt as your trying to make it out to be.

Cinema General

Yes, and it's my point that these projects are almost always bad.

@Fabricant451

Carrie, Christine, The Shining, Misery, Stand By Me, Firestarter, The Dead Zone, The Running Man, The Children of the Corn, Shawshank Fucking Redemption, The Green Mile, Apt Pupil, IT, Gerald's Game, The Mist, Survivor Type, Dolores Claiborne and Cujo beg to disagree with your nuclear hot take.

Cinema General

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Hasn't stopped them from making IT. Or Under the Dome.

@Fabricant451

Which was actually my original point, these kind of films/projects do get greenlit & made.

Cinema General

The community of people that plays Digimon games still.

@Fabricant451

All 15 of them? Fair enough.

Worked out for The Dark Tower

@Fabricant451

The source material wasn't that great to begin with tbh

Cinema General

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Of course you don't, but then there still exists other good Digimon games so still the comparison is flawed gg no re.

@Fabricant451

According to who?
We are still talking about my opinion here, my comparison is fine.

The American comic was trash, though. A live action Saya no Uta would either suffer from Japan's comical lack of decent effects or a lost in adaptation western adaptation where it would likely cut out all the squicky morally evil stuff and make next to no money. There's a reason why visual novels/eroge work better in the serialized/animated sphere.

@Fabricant451

Yeah but it wasn't trash because it was american, it was trash because they changed key points of the story that made the original effective. And I'm not talking about aging her up to not be a loli, that has almost no bearing on the story.

-They SHOWED you Saya's true form, which is a basic headfuck no-no.
-They made the main characters 'guro-verse' a non-constant thing, which takes away from the despair.
-They made Saya and the MC the 'good guys' in some biological experiment plot which turned it from depressing lovecraftian horror to an edgy conspiracy adventure.

And some other shit I can't remember.

There is a market for fucked up modest-budget independent movies with morally grey themes. Jacob's Ladder, Nighcrawler, The Fly, and Splice are all films that share the main 'controversial' themes of Saya without any insane content cutting.

If they can adapt Stephen King novels they can adapt Saya.

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That still makes two good games, then, since Cyber Sleuth isn't a World game.

@Fabricant451

I dont consider Cyber Sleuth a good game.

I can't forsee an outcome where this is a good idea.

@Fabricant451

For 90% of visual novels I'd agree but Saya No Uta is short enough where I think a movie adaptation could work without cutting too much from the narrative and its also 'universal' enough where it could be a non-japanese adaptation and still make sense.

Hence why it already got adapted as an american comic.

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