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@SleepingSilence
>The thing you don't know about, you don't consider a problem. Good for you?
Nope, read it again. I do know the things you've mentioned. You consider them problems but you haven't been demonstrated them to be in any adequate way. I don't know what to tell ya.
>Great, you know. So...maybe...look those videos up and watch them then.
I originally asked you for non-youtubers who have been attacked by naughty dog, you said they existed but haven't shown a shred of evidence in that direction, so I'm assuming you've all but abandoned that bluff, which would explain the pivot. Me watching a youtuber who didn't like the game is completely pointless and has nothing to do what's being discussed.
>But, my focus was never really talking about the game in particular. So feel however you want about it.
Well you said the story is bad and you haven't played it. So I can feel that your perspective isn't very useful. You said that Naughty Dog was a bad company because they attack 'high profile' individuals. I asked you if any of said individuals weren't just youtubers with an opinion and you choked on that front. You also said that having overpriced pre-orders and multiple delays is the sign of a bad company and CD projekt red is one of the better ones. I told you CD Projekt red engaged in both of those things and you mentioned PR problems and issues 'behind the scenes'.
Now again unless you are some sort of journalist with an insider source, why would you be more privy to 'behind the scenes' issues than anyone else with a working internet connection. You're either overstating your importance or too lazy to source your arguments.
And I see how quickly you abandoned the spelling insults when you yourself put a quote without a closed bracket.
Maybe you should hold yourself to the standard you set for others, yes?
>The thing you don't know about, you don't consider a problem. Good for you?
Nope, read it again. I do know the things you've mentioned. You consider them problems but you haven't been demonstrated them to be in any adequate way. I don't know what to tell ya.
>Great, you know. So...maybe...look those videos up and watch them then.
I originally asked you for non-youtubers who have been attacked by naughty dog, you said they existed but haven't shown a shred of evidence in that direction, so I'm assuming you've all but abandoned that bluff, which would explain the pivot. Me watching a youtuber who didn't like the game is completely pointless and has nothing to do what's being discussed.
>But, my focus was never really talking about the game in particular. So feel however you want about it.
Well you said the story is bad and you haven't played it. So I can feel that your perspective isn't very useful. You said that Naughty Dog was a bad company because they attack 'high profile' individuals. I asked you if any of said individuals weren't just youtubers with an opinion and you choked on that front. You also said that having overpriced pre-orders and multiple delays is the sign of a bad company and CD projekt red is one of the better ones. I told you CD Projekt red engaged in both of those things and you mentioned PR problems and issues 'behind the scenes'.
Now again unless you are some sort of journalist with an insider source, why would you be more privy to 'behind the scenes' issues than anyone else with a working internet connection. You're either overstating your importance or too lazy to source your arguments.
And I see how quickly you abandoned the spelling insults when you yourself put a quote without a closed bracket.
Maybe you should hold yourself to the standard you set for others, yes?
Having finished TLOU2, imagine people being mad to play as Abby when she had the best content set of guns in the fucking game
FTFY
Seriously? Have we been even having the same conversation?
The things you labelled as PR problems I have not agreed to be problems. So yeah we are having the same conversation, but you're not following all of it.
>The constant misspellings almost make me feel like I'm being punked. But, a man who does not read, is no smarter than a man who cannot read.
I think you should have felt punked the last time you brought up spelling mistakes and you were making them yourself, and the best excuse you can come up with was typing on your phone. So yes no smarter than a man who cannot read to his own standards.
>So maybe look it up, instead of smugly questioning me about it.
You seemed fairly confident that there were these non youtube figures who were being attacked. Now, when pressed to tell me who they are, you seem less confident. I've 'looked it up' and I haven't found any. So maybe you can provide this missing evidence for me and anyone else whose reading. It shouldn't take anymore energy than embedding youtube videos like you've done before.
>(And you no longer have the excuse not to, after I got to hear "how could I possibly act like I have more information, when I apparently know something you never heard of before?"
You didn't add a closing bracket here, these grammar mistakes are making me feel like I'm being punked.
>Hell, I told you where I got one reference already,
Jimquisition, the youtuber.
@SleepingSilence
>Some. But not me. And you make it sounds, like I'm among them. But even then, if a gun is held to my head to pick a side, yeah plenty of companies have been shittier to its fans, its workers, its games, and its critics than CD Project Red. And I'd say Naughty Dog is among them. Even regardless of TLOU2.
But not in terms of Overpriced pre-orders and multiple delays which were your first two examples.
>No, you don't have a right to flag someone's channel because they merely talk about leaks. That is not "using your IP", nor "not fair use", which critique specifically falls under.
If the content of said leaks belongs to you, you certainly can. But if you're right we should see a major suing of naughty dog happening at any moment now, right?
>Well not being able to review half of your game for a review is on par with what Ubisoft did with Middle Earth Shadow Of War. And yeah, I don't think that's particularly beneficial to anyone either.
Spoilers are a thing and people prefer not to be spoiled. The gameplay doesn't change in the 2nd half of either of those games so there isn't a particular good reason to spoil the plot in you review.
>So, like, we all know that bad things can still sell well right?
Sure, but when the argument is that 'the players' hated the game, and only the critics were praising it. The numbers come out and that argument doesn't make sense. Unless you think all the critics bulk bought 100,000 copies of the game each? Did 'players' like the game or not?
>ince many individuals never even see background drama, as you admit to be among them.
When did I admit to that? And why do you think you're more privy to information freely accessible on the internet than anyone else? Do you work in the industry?
>Short answer? No. ^-^' But, would your opinion change regardless of how valuable people consider said individuals in the industry? I reason not.
Oh really? Okay tell me a valuable or 'high profile' person who isn't a youtuber or streamer who has been attacked by naughty dog publicly.
And yeah it would because however high profile you claim to be the obviously haven't had a lot of influence over the game in terms of sales or critical recpetion.
>Some. But not me. And you make it sounds, like I'm among them. But even then, if a gun is held to my head to pick a side, yeah plenty of companies have been shittier to its fans, its workers, its games, and its critics than CD Project Red. And I'd say Naughty Dog is among them. Even regardless of TLOU2.
But not in terms of Overpriced pre-orders and multiple delays which were your first two examples.
>No, you don't have a right to flag someone's channel because they merely talk about leaks. That is not "using your IP", nor "not fair use", which critique specifically falls under.
If the content of said leaks belongs to you, you certainly can. But if you're right we should see a major suing of naughty dog happening at any moment now, right?
>Well not being able to review half of your game for a review is on par with what Ubisoft did with Middle Earth Shadow Of War. And yeah, I don't think that's particularly beneficial to anyone either.
Spoilers are a thing and people prefer not to be spoiled. The gameplay doesn't change in the 2nd half of either of those games so there isn't a particular good reason to spoil the plot in you review.
>So, like, we all know that bad things can still sell well right?
Sure, but when the argument is that 'the players' hated the game, and only the critics were praising it. The numbers come out and that argument doesn't make sense. Unless you think all the critics bulk bought 100,000 copies of the game each? Did 'players' like the game or not?
>ince many individuals never even see background drama, as you admit to be among them.
When did I admit to that? And why do you think you're more privy to information freely accessible on the internet than anyone else? Do you work in the industry?
>Short answer? No. ^-^' But, would your opinion change regardless of how valuable people consider said individuals in the industry? I reason not.
Oh really? Okay tell me a valuable or 'high profile' person who isn't a youtuber or streamer who has been attacked by naughty dog publicly.
And yeah it would because however high profile you claim to be the obviously haven't had a lot of influence over the game in terms of sales or critical recpetion.
@SleepingSilence
>Yeah see, when I assume a game is going to be mediocre at best. I don't know what you think you're saying when you're telling me that the game has also had several delays and staff problems like TLOU2. Yes, yes it has? And that's usually not a good sign in this industry, is it?
The game is made by CD Projekt Red who you were just saying that some people were holding up as one of the last 'good' trip A companies. That sort of falls on it's face when its doing the exact same thing you just accused 'shittier' companies of doing.
>But no, I'm talking about false DCMA censorship of youtube channels that covered the leaks.
From what I know about DMCA's you are well within your right if someone is using your intellectual property and it isn't fair use. So I don't think that would count as false whether you agree with it or not.
>Numerous things said and done by Naughty Dog and TLOU2's creators.
None of which hurt the sales of the game very much. If the only people who liked this game were the cricitcs then it wouldn't be the fastest selling PS4 exclusive in existence.
>high profile individuals
Why do I get the feeling these 'high profile' individuals are reaction youtubers who have no standing in the game industry? Feel free to correct me if they aren't though.
>Yeah see, when I assume a game is going to be mediocre at best. I don't know what you think you're saying when you're telling me that the game has also had several delays and staff problems like TLOU2. Yes, yes it has? And that's usually not a good sign in this industry, is it?
The game is made by CD Projekt Red who you were just saying that some people were holding up as one of the last 'good' trip A companies. That sort of falls on it's face when its doing the exact same thing you just accused 'shittier' companies of doing.
>But no, I'm talking about false DCMA censorship of youtube channels that covered the leaks.
From what I know about DMCA's you are well within your right if someone is using your intellectual property and it isn't fair use. So I don't think that would count as false whether you agree with it or not.
>Numerous things said and done by Naughty Dog and TLOU2's creators.
None of which hurt the sales of the game very much. If the only people who liked this game were the cricitcs then it wouldn't be the fastest selling PS4 exclusive in existence.
>high profile individuals
Why do I get the feeling these 'high profile' individuals are reaction youtubers who have no standing in the game industry? Feel free to correct me if they aren't though.
@Xandrya I've found these make non-alcoholic beer more bearable.
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That's because they present themselves as consumer friendly because they give away shit like 'hair style: ponytail' for free (while charging for DLC except it's called an expansion pack for the max cred) and have cultivated this 'not like other devs' persona despite them having fewer active employees than other AAA studios yet still have insane crunch that gets swept under the rug because at the end of the day many gamers don't actually give a shit about crunch time if they like the end result.
CD Projekt Red putting a soundtrack and goodies in every copy of Cyberpunk doesn't absolve them of their behind the scenes sins, or at least it shouldn't but at the end of the day that's the only thing that will matter because of the whole 'unlike other devs, we care about the consumer!'
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A few people I know, both on the forum, and not. But I digress. I definitely wasn't attaching that thought to TLOU2 specifically. But I mean "successful" games can still be severely lessened by greedy practices or shitty companies.
And TLOU2 still has the typical/several "digital overpriced" editions that necessitates an article like a "Release Day Buying Guide". (Five versions in total. Plus separate art.) And if we're taking about Naughty Dog here. They have plenty of their own allegations of crunch and poor working conditions. (Aka 70 percent of their staff supposedly quitting.) Plus, you also can't say the game itself didn't have it's own troubles with delays, censorship of others and PR problems of their own doing.
Plus if pricey pre-orders are the mark of a shitty company, then CD Projekt red is going to be in a lot of bad books when Cyberpunk 2077 releases a 100 dollar ultimate edition that has a keanu reeves action figure or a pink glowstick.
>Plus, you also can't say the game itself didn't have it's own troubles with delays,
Cyberpunk 2077 is on it's 3rd delay. But even if it wasn't there is sort of a pandemic happening.
>censorship of others
Is this the review embargo? Doesn't it make sense to keep a game with heavy plot twists under wraps as long as possible?
>PR problems of their own doing
Not aware of this, elaborate?
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